# Mafia Reunion - Day Three **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [January 24, 2017, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068 "2017-01-24T20:43:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 53
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/1041 "2017-01-30T15:44:08Z")
More Khameleon thoughts. Please note that rereads in this game are going to be pretty focused and I won’t be able to track down all the threads of every conversation. I welcome all corrections. This stuff is pretty minor, but I’m reading with an eye towards Khameleon being a wolf and seeing what pops out at me. D2#66. Makes an “oh no” comment about the town deaths and then is actually the one who floats the idea that Idle might be inactive for meta reasons. He got it backwards, but it still started that conversation. If this was a purposeful scum move (getting it wrong to get the ball rolling), it was **crazy** clever. D2#207: When talking about scum, refers to them as “Wolf and Mafia” teams rather than collectively as scum. Prioritizes the wolf team. D3#593: Votes Idle for meta reasons even though he doesn’t like meta reasons. Is also the one who brought up said meta reasons. There’s honestly not much more to go on. Very little posting, but that’s what I got out of a brief reread. * * * @Pleo - can you elaborate on the breadcrumbing? I’m just a simple caveman lawyer, and I don’t understand your modern ways. ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/1042 "2017-01-30T15:44:27Z")
I also feel good about Hoopy Frood. Sinjin is pinging me. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/1043 "2017-01-30T16:09:25Z")
I think I told this story in a Mafia game a long time ago, so a few of you might remember it. When I was in high school, a long time ago, I was playing football with some guys I hadn’t played with before. I am a large, very pale skinned man, and at the time I had mostly shaved my head so I was kinda fuzzy. They all started calling me Polar Bear. This mostly stuck with me, especially since right around that time Coca-Cola, my former addiction, started those commercials with the polar bears drinking coke at the north pole. The nick name morphed slightly as time went on into Nanook. Fast forward a couple years. Urban Legend the movie comes out, and I go wandering onto the new fangled internet to find some more stuff on urban legends. I eventually stumble across [snopes.com](http://snopes.com), and it’s like trope levels of getting lost reading. Turns out they had(have? no idea anymore) a message board. I start posting there, and get to know people. It comes out that I live(at the time, no longer) on the north shore of Long Island, so someone that I no longer remember dubs me Nanook of the North Shore. I eventually made my way here(pre-Y2k join date for you noobs!), and kept the name. It was for the longest time the longest screen name of anyone on the Dope. I don’t know if it still is. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/1044 "2017-01-30T16:16:35Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > Yes. > > I think Hooker is a Wolf and I think Diggit and Pleo are Mafia. So I see the Pleo and Diggit as Mafia. At least, I see them as being necessarily not Wolves, and I can see scum pings on both of them (especially Pleo, who has been lightly pinging me as mafia since his Day Zero odd comments about scum hiding from each other.) Hooker I understand less, though. Can you explain a bit more why if he is scum, he’s a wolf? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/1045 "2017-01-30T16:21:42Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Oh, and my user name is eponymous. I am a literal cartoon character. You mean you aren’t a “pretty momma” ? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/1046 "2017-01-30T16:31:21Z")
> [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > So I see the Pleo and Diggit as Mafia. At least, I see them as being necessarily not Wolves, and I can see scum pings on both of them (especially Pleo, who has been lightly pinging me as mafia since his Day Zero odd comments about scum hiding from each other.) NETA: Pleo has been pinging me as scum, not necessariliy Mafia. ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/1047 "2017-01-30T16:35:24Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > I’ll give you a close enough. Someone else PM’d me first, but no penalties for you. Pm me your ad copy when you are ready. After I posted I saw that Maha had beaten me to it. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/1048 "2017-01-30T16:46:37Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > I ask if anyone wants to argue that scum aren’t interested in cross-killing. You say yes. That tells me that your stance is going to be that the double wolf kills were not intended as wolf kills. That you feel that scum would be aiming for town but okay with hitting opposing scum. If that’s the case, then I conclude you think the double wolf death is a coincidence… what other explanation is there? And following that logic also means that TF getting killed means the mafia thought he was town. That is who scum are targeting right? Did you say these things, no… but following the logic you presented leads me to these conclusions. … it’s easy to plant the seed without showing what fruit grows from it. > > I am missing your thought process… what do you believe is the explanation for two wolf daykills? I had talked about this earlier.(so I was confirming that my stand on the subject had not changed.) as to who did the Day Kills, all I know for sure is Not wolves. – the protector role could have died by protecting another wolf- if so the killer knows where to aim toMorrow=bonus— or they could have been the direct target. the other role was a master switcher IIRC _( don’t have that bookmarked on work comp)_ ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/1049 "2017-01-30T16:50:24Z")
> [@HookerChemical](#): > > Because he wasn’t active in thread during N1. He didn’t post for the last half of D1, despite being in the running for lynch. He didn’t post N1. He didn’t post until late D2 after a mod poke. > > If he is the doctor, I believe he self-protected, but I don’t believe that he is the doctor because his story doesn’t fit the activity we saw. > > (On preview, I realize that you may be referring to the part where I call it horrible town play. I think it’s horrible play not because of the self protect - that makes some sense - but because he didn’t even drop in to note “I’m busy” look at the lynch leaders, or anything to play the game.) that was my point. but since you can ( pretty sure) send in actions in the prior phase ( if you want to) I think it is almost Null ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/1050 "2017-01-30T16:53:00Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > Total Lost, I think you made a pretty damn valid case there. I didn’t quite catch what the post was for/against in the summary ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/1051 "2017-01-30T16:55:02Z")
> [@DiggitCamara](#): > > What do you think “vindication” means? By “vindictaed”, I thought you meant cleared, exonerated from an accusation. Did I miss some context here? > [@DiggitCamara](#): > > In my case I feel vindicated because > > 1. Not only did my ping work correctly (I spotted a strong indicator for someone who was a wolf) but it also irked another wolf who, in her post told us she had actually used the same reasoning. Meaning that, at least on the wolf team, by believing the claptrap phrase of “perfect knowledge isn’t a valid indicator during this game because we have 2 scum teams” they have let their guard down and displayed said “partial perfect knowledge” I don’t understand. > [@DiggitCamara](#): > > 1. **Obviously “vindication” does not mean I am not in any of the scum teams.** Or third party. In the eyes of any of our townsfolk I should be viewed as a suspicious character… just like everyone else My **BOLD**. So what does vindication mean, in this case? Sorry, english is my second language, I may just be ignorant:) > [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > Plum Pudding I feel good about, but that just may be because we agree on everything. Didn’t you have me as a slight scum lean yesterDay? ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/1052 "2017-01-30T17:01:05Z")
> [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > So I see the Pleo and Diggit as Mafia. At least, I see them as being necessarily not Wolves, and I can see scum pings on both of them (especially Pleo, who has been lightly pinging me as mafia since his Day Zero odd comments about scum hiding from each other.) > > Hooker I understand less, though. Can you explain a bit more why if he is scum, he’s a wolf? Three things, that separately aren’t all that damning but together they make a case to me. The first is my infamous gut, I just think he’s scum. If he’s scum, I don’t think he’s Mafia because of this: Hooker voted Pleo for his accusations against ThingFish. Pleo was spouting what sounded like nonsense to me but hinged on ThingFish having PIS. Given that it turns out ThingFish may in fact have had PIS, I do think Pleo is likely to be Mafia with similar PIS. I think Hooker then had good reason to suspect Pleo for this but wasn’t on the same team as him. It _could_ be a bus, but… Hooker posted early on that he didn’t know if I was scum or not but trusted my leans anyway. This makes some sense because as scum I bus like crazy, and he knows that. But I also had JSGoddess and ThingFish as town leans. The timing may be off on this, if he said it before I posted that then this is invalid. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/1053 "2017-01-30T17:02:09Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > I didn’t quite catch what the post was for/against in the summary The part I was agreeing with is that he says he’s totally against players posting town leans but never once commented on my strong defense of Prof. P. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/1054 "2017-01-30T17:03:21Z")
> [@Plumpudding](#): > > By “vindictaed”, I thought you meant cleared, exonerated from an accusation. Did I miss some context here? > > I don’t understand. > > My **BOLD**. > > So what does vindication mean, in this case? Sorry, english is my second language, I may just be ignorant:) > > Didn’t you have me as a slight scum lean yesterDay? Yes. You’ve crossed over to town for me. I’m not sure why, I’ll have to go back and reread. My slight scum lean on you was very early though. (I’m running errands on my lunch hour now so it may take a while.) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/1055 "2017-01-30T17:04:57Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > **I have a serious OOG / Off Topic question I’d like to ask** Have you asked yet? ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/1056 "2017-01-30T17:18:52Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > After I posted I saw that Maha had beaten me to it. > > Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk Yeah, but he can write his own ad copy. ---
**Author:** ![HookerChemical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/278dde/32.png) [@HookerChemical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HookerChemical)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/1057 "2017-01-30T17:19:08Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > that was my point. > but since you can ( pretty sure) send in actions in the prior phase ( if you want to) I think it is almost Null I was unaware you could do that. \*\*Can players send in actions prior to the period during which their actions take place? If so, what are the limits on how early? That is, if a player has a night action, can they submit their N1 action on D1? Can they submit their N2 action on D1?\*\* ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/1058 "2017-01-30T17:21:59Z")
> [@HookerChemical](#): > > I was unaware you could do that. > > \*\*Can players send in actions prior to the period during which their actions take place? If so, what are the limits on how early? > > That is, if a player has a night action, can they submit their N1 action on D1? > Can they submit their N2 action on D1?\*\* I don’t see why not. The limit would be when it causes us a headache to track stuff. ---
**Author:** ![HookerChemical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/278dde/32.png) [@HookerChemical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HookerChemical)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/1059 "2017-01-30T17:34:43Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > Three things, that separately aren’t all that damning but together they make a case to me. > > The first is my infamous gut, I just think he’s scum. If he’s scum, I don’t think he’s Mafia because of this: > Hooker voted Pleo for his accusations against ThingFish. Pleo was spouting what sounded like nonsense to me but hinged on ThingFish having PIS. Given that it turns out ThingFish may in fact have had PIS, I do think Pleo is likely to be Mafia with similar PIS. I think Hooker then had good reason to suspect Pleo for this but wasn’t on the same team as him. It _could_ be a bus, but… > > Hooker posted early on that he didn’t know if I was scum or not but trusted my leans anyway. This makes some sense because as scum I bus like crazy, and he knows that. > > But I also had JSGoddess and ThingFish as town leans. The timing may be off on this, if he said it before I posted that then this is invalid. > Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro I concede these are generally fair accusations. Your conclusion is wrong, but the evidence is fair. I still think Pleo’s case on Thing Fish was gibberish, it just happened to be right. Angel, if you’re not a cultist, you must be thinking the same thing about Pleo’s most recent accusation. Thing Fish was one of my towniest leans. I believe that he was legitimately hunting for Mafia because it’s what I would do as scum in this game and I’ve found myself in agreement with a lot of his posts. I don’t think there’s much case for Thing Fish and jsgoddess trying to bus Pleonast. That case never gained much momentum. It’s not always the case, but it makes bussing a lot more effective at building townie cred when the victim is actually killed or at least in contention. If Pleo is scum, he’s almost surely mafia. FWIW, I think bussing is tactically less valuable this game than many others. If a scum team falls behind the other scum team, they cannot afford to bus because they cannot win until the other scum team has fewer players. Also, they can legitimately scum hunt to build townie cred instead. When a player is already under heavy suspicion, that changes a bit because they’re likely to be lost anyway, but I don’t see scum bussing their own team with a case ex nihilo being a regular thing this game. ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/1060 "2017-01-30T17:36:12Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > I didn’t quite catch what the post was for/against in the summary She was concluding that DiggitCamara is scummy. I think. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068.md?page=52) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068.md?page=54)