# Mafia Reunion - Day Three **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [January 24, 2017, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068 "2017-01-24T20:43:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 57
**Author:** ![Koldanar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@Koldanar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koldanar)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/1121 "2017-01-31T16:04:36Z")
I am genuinely sorry that I didn’t get a vote in this past day - life takes over, and before I knew it, I was several hundred posts in the hole, and too anxious and busy to try and keep up. (OOG : I have two young kids, and very busy weekends. Normally I try to post as much as I can during the work week, then vote with my opinions established, when putting the older kid to bed. None of that happened this week, and we were out of the house except to sleep on the weekend) I see two wolves are down, which is great! but, another lynch for a townie. I’ve finally read the day, and I’m going to make some comments on the last page (200 posts) or so before the day dawns. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/1122 "2017-01-31T16:05:50Z")
Yeah, it’s just weird, because rather than saying “scummy”, he actually says “wolfy”, maybe it was setting a trap, but still. ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/1123 "2017-01-31T16:07:51Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Easter eggs? Winks at people in the know. I personally call them scum confessions. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/1124 "2017-01-31T16:42:43Z")
I wasn’t asking based on the spoiler and the wolfy-remark. I really wanted to see when and who came up with the theory. So if anyone remembers, I’d very much like a hint as to where I can find it or - even better - a small recap of the theory and the player behind it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/1125 "2017-01-31T16:50:15Z")
Here is a mention of scum gloating as a tell > **[JEEP's Tells for Finding Mafia](https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=JEEP%27s_Tells_for_Finding_Mafia)** ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/1126 "2017-01-31T17:03:48Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > Here is a mention of scum gloating as a tell > > [JEEP's Tells for Finding Mafia - MafiaWiki](http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=JEEP%27s_Tells_for_Finding_Mafia) Thanks 🙂 I thought it might also be “patting myself on back for awesome Scum-hunting-skills”. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/1127 "2017-01-31T17:23:02Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > (snip) > > Re Prof. P I explained this in a previous post but you may not have seen it. Yes, I thought he was scum when I posted my lean list. He posted an apology that I strongly feel is sincere which changed my mind about it. This is my Mafia talent as town and I stand by it. > Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro > [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > So no comment whatsoever on the fact that I’m practically using myself as a human shield for Prof P? > Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro You thought he was scum. You changed your mind (strongly) Which is kind of par for the course during these games. I don’t think it’s a very wise strategy, since you are letting yourself being persuaded a bit too strongly without strong evidence that I can see, but it’s nothing abnormal, I don’t think. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/1128 "2017-01-31T17:28:36Z")
The Beta Wolf role (and the Bodyguard) seems like it could be a liability if not handled properly. You can’t protect yourself. You’d just die anyway. You could protect the Alpha but they already have protection. Do they get knowledge of a failed kill attempt? And if you protect one of your other teammates, you end up dying AND outting the other guy. I suppose you could protect someone not of your alignment just to throw the killer off the trail if you die. But that seems like an unnecessary risk that doubles your chance of dying with very little payoff. So I’m still trying to figure out how we got two Wolf kills yesterDay. Mafia has a Day kill. But most of their powers tend to happen at Night. Unless something very weird happened, I can’t imagine that the Wolves had something to do with their own deaths. The Town Batman character works at Night. Unless the switches affect things differently than we’ve talked about, I can’t imagine the tinkerer having the ability to kill. So that leaves a Serial Killer as the best option. If true, do serial killers often have Day kills? Have they ever been set up so that you can only kill like, every other Day? If not, then why the lack of kills on Day 2? Questions possibly without answers, but potentially worth discussing. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/1129 "2017-01-31T17:42:49Z")
> [@Total\_Lost](#): > > (snip) > @Diggit #693, I guess there’s a chance a reveal would show “hostile” or “non-hostile” - we’re usually informed if a player is PFK but it would semi-confirm the rest of the group, which is unlikely. “YOU WIN if at any checkpoint (Dawn or Dusk) all 14 Scum players (Wolves + Mafia) are dead.” > > (snip) > I think Diggit is a good option today > D1#249 Diggit is 8th on Colby, no mention of Toejam on 5 votes > D1#264 Switches to snfaulkner for commenting on Colby’s meta > D1#282 Asks for proof of colby’s meta > D1#393 To Drain, explains why voted snf due to defense > D1#747 To Normal, denies seeing the train on Colby, reiterates reason for SNF vote > D2#230 To Johnny Bravo, is pinged by comments about scum not knowing who to defend, suggests they slightly defend all non-scum, revotes snf > D2#250 fixes vote color > D2#255 mini-Wow on snf, lots of fluff > D2#547 Comments on flaws in Paul’s plan for a VT claim > D2#552 Maybe there’s something to the delay in brewha’s switch, asks other holders > D2#558 Switches to Crys, does not believe there are two masonic groups > D2#596 Seems to think Crys is claiming to be on town’s side, not 3rd party? As if she’s counter-claiming the masons? > D2#606 Argues to get rid of 3rd parties, who knows what powers they could have or get > D2#816/820 Didn’t notice Lakai subbed back in > D3#368 Maybe Sario prevented an NK, wonders why people are not paranoid about the cult. Suggests that revealing the other switchholder would prove cultists are hostile? > D3#400 Finds cultist description fishy, concerned what happens once the re-group > D3#519 votes Thing Fish for list of town leans without reasoning > D3#695 Realises his mistake in #368, Crys has a scum switch > D3#691 fixes vote color again > D3#693 wants a cultist to die, considers wolves false-claiming scum > D3#695 does not trust people who say they think other players are town - does not mention other lean listers > D3#698 Continues surmises about crys as wolf, but no vote anymore? "Food for thought"His participation is light but looks OK, maybe a heavy focus on the 3rd parties, lots of confusion - missing Lakai subbing in, formatting votes, mistakes - a sign that he’s putting on a show maybe, I disagree with his stance on leans - especially in this game since no-one except the masons could really know that another player is town, but it’s his votes, from SNF for town leans, to Crys for 3rd party, then to Thing Fish for town leans (why is SNF good now?) and still coming up with plenty of reasons why he should still be voting Crys or Sach, feels forced to me, like he’s keeping up appearances. > (snip)\*\* First of all, thanks to Total Lost for reminding me to answer this post. There isn’t actually a lot for me to respond. The points Guiri makes are mostly valid, though I believe I have explained that my stance on leans during this game is actually GOOD for town. 1. Both scum teams know they don’t know who is town fer sure 2. Both scum teams know Town knows point 1 3. This makes town relax as to declaring someone “town” (hey, I don’t actually know fer sure!) 4. But they will (probably) make this proclamations concerning someone who isn’t on their team Point 3 and 4 are important. Since Scum aren’t as wary as they have been in other games, they WILL and HAVE declared someone to be town without qualms. Witness both Thing Fish and jsgoddess doing it… jgoddess even defended Thing Fish ferchrissakes! And that’s why I focus on some of these posts. However, my playing philosophy is currently: 1. State my case 2. Hope it is accepted by town and or revised 3. Not fixate on it I still believe we have to do SOMETHING about the LUTHA cult. I also believe snfaulkner is very probably scum. But since no one else has backed me on that regard, I won’t fixate on the accusation. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/1130 "2017-01-31T17:56:31Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > The Beta Wolf role (and the Bodyguard) seems like it could be a liability if not handled properly. You can’t protect yourself. You’d just die anyway. You could protect the Alpha but they already have protection. Do they get knowledge of a failed kill attempt? And if you protect one of your other teammates, you end up dying AND outting the other guy. > I suppose you could protect someone not of your alignment just to throw the killer off the trail if you die. But that seems like an unnecessary risk that doubles your chance of dying with very little payoff. > So I’m still trying to figure out how we got two Wolf kills yesterDay. Mafia has a Day kill. But most of their powers tend to happen at Night. Unless something very weird happened, I can’t imagine that the Wolves had something to do with their own deaths. > > The Town Batman character works at Night. > > Unless the switches affect things differently than we’ve talked about, I can’t imagine the tinkerer having the ability to kill. > > So that leaves a Serial Killer as the best option. If true, do serial killers often have Day kills? Have they ever been set up so that you can only kill like, every other Day? If not, then why the lack of kills on Day 2? > > Questions possibly without answers, but potentially worth discussing. The simplest reason I can think of for the lack of kills on Day 2 is: Blockers. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/1131 "2017-01-31T18:09:42Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > The simplest reason I can think of for the lack of kills on Day 2 is: Blockers. Blockers or protection. But yeah, that’s the simplest explanation. Just curious how likely the alternatives were. ---
**Author:** ![Koldanar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@Koldanar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koldanar)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/1132 "2017-01-31T18:15:13Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > Blockers or protection. But yeah, that’s the simplest explanation. Just curious how likely the alternatives were. Don’t forget the possibility of switches out there as well. ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/1133 "2017-01-31T18:27:01Z")
What if the switches switch the powers/actions from Day/Night. Now wouldn’t that just mess with our minds? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Koldanar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@Koldanar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koldanar)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/1134 "2017-01-31T18:27:51Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > \*\* > > Nighttime discussion topic: What is the origin of your username?\*\* Geek alert : I attempted to write some fantasy novels during college; this name was a town named after some war hero or something. Then in '99, EverQuest released, and I needed a good dwarvish name for a paladin. The name then stuck, and I’ve used it online ever since - as far as I can tell, it’s unique. ---
**Author:** ![Koldanar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@Koldanar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koldanar)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/1135 "2017-01-31T18:33:56Z")
**Johnny Bravo** , forgive me if you already answered this during the day. What made you feel that lynching a claimed 3p (sach) was worthwhile? Plenty of people brought this point up, but I don’t recall a response. I’ll repost in day 4 if needed. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/1136 "2017-01-31T18:47:50Z")
> [@Captain\_Klutz](#): > > Commenting on point 2: > > I don’t know what you mean by “Wouldn’t a reveal of the switch help us see whether or not a living townsperson holds a similar switch?” > > **Crys75** has already revealed what switch she has. Whoever holds the other one is free to mention it. But note that we don’t have any information on the distribution of the switches, so inferring alignment (or hostile/non hostile) from switch possession would be reckless. Tell me, **DiggitCamara** , what would you conclude if the other switch were held by: > > 1. Scum > 2 Town > 3 Third party I am re-reading parts of the thread and see I failed to address this directly (I think). The switch Crys holds is of one of the scum teams. I am assuming one switch is held by an opposing team, the other one held by the team it targets (I am reckless that way). So, if someone reveals they have the counterswitch, I would believe at least one of them is scum. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/1137 "2017-01-31T18:58:17Z")
My nick is somewhat straightforward, Guiri is a depreciative term for pale skinned Northern Europeans, usually on vacation in Spanish tourist traps, probably wearing a Mexican sombrero, drinking cheap sangria, and aching from sunburn - visibly distinguishable from locals. Despite living here for over 15 years, locals assume I’m a tourist - even when I speak Spanish or Catalan pretty fluently, they’ll often still reply to me in awful English. It’s a little frustrating that I’ll probably always be treated like a guiri in Spain, when it’s where I’ve made my home. But then again, I live next to the beach, in Barcelona, and have a pretty decent life, so most certainly a first world problem… ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/1138 "2017-01-31T19:02:13Z")
> [@koldanar](#): > > **johnny bravo** , forgive me if you already answered this during the day. What made you feel that lynching a claimed 3p (sach) was worthwhile? Plenty of people brought this point up, but i don’t recall a response. > > I’ll repost in day 4 if needed. d2#990 > [@Mafia Reunion - Day Two](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/990): > > on phone, bear with me. > > Sach may be scum posing as a cultist. If we lynch crys and she flips cultist, we still don’t know about sach. > > If we lynch sach and he flips cultist, we confirm crys because cultist sach wouldn’t have revealed off of an invented role claim. > > If crys flips scum, then sach is also scum because it means he’s claiming off of a faked role claim. > > The only way this breaks down is if cultists are real and scum was for some reason given their pms. ---
**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/1139 "2017-01-31T19:26:54Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > So that leaves a Serial Killer as the best option. If true, do serial killers often have Day kills? Have they ever been set up so that you can only kill like, every other Day? If not, then why the lack of kills on Day 2? > > Questions possibly without answers, but potentially worth discussing. Batman had a Day SK and a Night SK. I think I might have played in another game that had a Day SK as well. And with a compulsory vig shooting at Night, it’d be reasonable that there’d be a killer shooting during Day. (Since the scum each get a kill per day on opposing cycles.) And an SK would never willingly forego a kill (barring odd corner cases) since they win by reducing numbers, making the SK effectively a compulsory killer. And an every-other Day SK would be horribly unbalanced against the SK, barring some compensation in some other way. So I agree with the general consensus that the SK probably was blocked in some way (via blocker or doctor). Or maybe the SK tried to hit Godfather/Alpha. And since one kill is as good as another for the SK (generally, assuming one faction doesn’t have a clear advantage to win), they might try a different target if they fail the first time. Docs tend to protect the same people. > [@Total\_Lost](#): > > What if the switches switch the powers/actions from Day/Night. Now wouldn’t that just mess with our minds? I’d consider that Bastard since the Town/Scum roles are open. Nullifying powers through unknown mechanics isn’t Bastard. Changing how/when they fundamentally work when the role is open would be. I don’t think our mods would have done that. ---
**Author:** ![Koldanar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@Koldanar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koldanar)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/1140 "2017-01-31T19:29:02Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > d2#990 Thanks, I missed that one. I still don’t think 3p is a good lynch target, but I do agree with the analysis. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068.md?page=56) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068.md?page=58)