# Mafia Reunion - Day Three **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [January 24, 2017, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068 "2017-01-24T20:43:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Captain\_Klutz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captain_klutz/32/4993_2.png) [@Captain\_Klutz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Klutz)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/121 "2017-01-25T11:55:25Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Okay, now that the night is over: > > I still very much want to lynch Sachertorte per my plan: > > During the night it occurred to me that one of the scum teams may be perpetuating an extremely ballsy two-player plan that revolved around Sach breadcrumbing the fake LUTHA role and then Crys later claiming so that Sach could back her up. > > I don’t think it’s the most likely scenario around the LUTHA role, but it’s not at all outside the realm of possibility. What would be the point, you ask? Well, a lot of folks are saying that we should leave them be for now. And neither of them was killed last night. > > I say that we lynch sachertorte unless more LUTHA claim. If he flips cultist, then Crys’s claim is much more solid and they’ll still have four cultists left. > > Vote Sachertorte[/COLOR] Can’t agree with this. Why the urgent need to find out? They are not going anywhere, and we are a long way from where they could possibly be a threat. And I don’t think it makes any sense as a scum gambit. Do you really think this will help them survive to endgame? While there may be some occasions for scum to try something crazy, it wouldn’t be on Day 2. I’ll add that I rather doubt that a cultist flip will reveal whether they are hostile. Their role includes the statement “You are no threat to any side. Good luck convincing them of this”. If they are revealed as non hostile then that would be convincing. Anyway, we will find out eventually. Just not toDay. ---
**Author:** ![BillMC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3be4f8/32.png) [@BillMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BillMC)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/122 "2017-01-25T12:59:35Z")
> [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](#): > > It seems like the by far most likely option is that he felt he couldn’t keep playing for whatever reason and didn’t want to get modkilled, so did what he could to best help his team. If we assume all 7 protections were still available, which seems reasonable, that means there’s at least a reasonable shot at the DK being foiled. if that is the case then it is very selfish to commit ritual suicide rather than let someone else sub in; if it’s a case that they couldn’t find a sub, then then that does kinda suggest sario was the least valuable of the roles needing a sub - which paints a big target on our new subs. to put a positive slant on it, sario could have used the power n1 and/or n2, and actually saved some from a nk ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/123 "2017-01-25T13:12:36Z")
> [@Captain\_Klutz](#): > > Can’t agree with this. Why the urgent need to find out? They are not going anywhere, and we are a long way from where they could possibly be a threat. > > And I don’t think it makes any sense as a scum gambit. Do you really think this will help them survive to endgame? While there may be some occasions for scum to try something crazy, it wouldn’t be on Day 2. If they’re scum, they don’t need to survive to end game. They just need to survive long enough to do damage with whichever power they have. As there are several people pulling for “leave them alone until later in the game,” we can hardly call the idea of such a plan completely out of left field. Lynching Sachertorte may or may not net us scum, but it will **definitely** not result in a town lynch\* and it will **definitely** give us hard facts that we do not currently have. HOWEVER, this just bugs the shit out of me: > [@Mafia Reunion - Day Two](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/1370): > > ``` > 2. I LOVE to annoy the Mods [I AM the original GastardMod for a reason]. And the idea of the Mods getting 20-30 PMs at night. Well that amused me and was the primary reason for posting the idea. > > ``` I don’t see how this can be interpreted as anything but extremely anti-town. This game is already ludicrous and we know the mods are having a hard time keeping up. Encouraging behavior that would disrupt the actual working of the game has such enormous potential to backfire and hurt town that I can’t even fathom this sort of attitude. Not to mention that it’s a serious jerk move. ToeJam is my second choice for a vote. \*Unless he’s lying town, in which case lynch him anyway. ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/124 "2017-01-25T13:37:31Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > This isn’t the first time people have said I was being too aggressive or intense… if it gets to be too much, let me know and I’ll try to dial it back. > > Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk I didn’t mean “too,” I was just explaining it’s a null tell for you. ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/125 "2017-01-25T13:38:33Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > Town _YOU WIN if at any checkpoint (Dawn or Dusk) all 14 Scum players (Wolves + Mafia) are dead._ > > compare this with the Wolf/Mafia win-con > “YOU WIN if the total number of living Wolf/Mafia is greater than or equal to 50% of the total population AND greater than the number of living Mafia/ Wolves.” > Can you\* now see that the 3Ps have value? > > - generic you I can; I missed the math part of the wincons (well,'I miss the math part of anything) but I do understand now. ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/126 "2017-01-25T13:41:34Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > I think we are gonna ping each other every game… something to keep in mind next game. So far the impression I get from you this game is that you are participating only to the point of commenting on cases other people make. But I haven’t focused on you, so that may be unfair. > > To address your points, you call it putting words in your mouth, but my post was clearly addressing you. Yes I rephrase what you wrote, but I did so in order to put what I parsed from your post in my own words to make sure I was understanding you properly. I wasn’t. I am pretty sure I explained that during N2. My bad. > > And my crazy paranoid theories were not intended to be confusing. I was trying to consider all possibilities and rule them out… where I thought I saw scumminess I posed the possibility. This game is complex. Two scum factions, a cult, and switches to boot. Who am I to assume exactly how complex it is? I suspect I am at more of info disadvantage than you. Not necessarily that you are scum, but that you have a role that naturally has more info than mine. > > Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk Your impression is consistent with his early town game. I feel pretty good about SNF right now. ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/127 "2017-01-25T14:03:42Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > NETA answering my own Question. IF a Town owns the other switch they should claim first- Hear me out Scum could kill the switch. but that would leave Batman in the ON position for the rest of the game. If there is no Town claim then the vig can out themselves ( after a bit… any sense making here?) I’m reading posts in order so I don’t know if this is resolved but I agree with you here. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/128 "2017-01-25T14:08:55Z")
\*\*Vote Count: Tojeam(6) - Hookerchemical(9), snfaulkner(17), billmc(23), sinjin(53), biotop(112), CaptainKlutz(118) Sachertorte(1) - Johnnybravo(14) Enderw24(2) - Nanook(28), Crys75(34) Pleonast(1) - paulwhoisaghost(116) Toejam is currently up for the lynch.\*\* ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/129 "2017-01-25T14:14:39Z")
> [@Captain\_Klutz](#): > > My current thoughts: > > **ToeJam** > > The Most Likely To Be Scum and the one whose reveal will be the most useful in interpreting Day 1. His insistence that he is the most likely target for the scum kill and his notion that vanillas should target themselves were just bizarre. He needs to go next. > **Idle Thoughts** > > Started Day 2 with a vote on ToeJam for very poor reasons > > ToeJam was indeed looking like scum, but the reasoning is terrible and there is good scum motivation for this vote: > > 1. As the previous Day’s runner up, ToeJam was a reasonable possibility of being lynched, so look good by being one of the early voters > 2. ToeJam was also looking a real possibility of a modkill, so a good way to waste the lynch > > Idle has also been extremely quiet, which is is very atypical of his play as town. > **Boozahol Squid** > > Very noisy, but very little substance. One post I particularly disliked was from Day 2: > > It was a reasonable question with a completely unhelpful response: “I’ve got my vote down, I don’t need to do any more” > > Also, he is way too keen on lynching all the claimed cultists, even though they would be mislynches. > \*\*Enderw24 \*\* > > I agree with Angel and Nanook. This looks like an attempt to cast suspicion on the claimed cult. As for “Why would the mods have so much explanation in the rules about potential exclusive win conditions for 3rd party if there wasn’t one in the game?”, it’s quite simple: there is almost certainly some hostile third party(s) in the game. It does not mean that every third party is necessarily hostile. > > So that’s > > \*\*ToeJam > Idle Thoughts > Boozahol Squid > Enderw24 \*\* > I’m happy to vote for any of these. For toDay > > **Vote ToeJam** I never saw Squid’s non-reply to me. My suspicion list is the same as yours with the addition of Prof P. I think we need the two lynches and I definitely think Toejam must be resolved today. So I’all be voting whichever of these people is a viable second lynch, and stating for the record I would also vote for Toejam. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/130 "2017-01-25T14:19:38Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > He knows I don’t play scum by hiding. In all seriousness, just how many times this game are you going to claim that you can’t be scum because you did something that’s a neutral tell at best? ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/131 "2017-01-25T14:24:43Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > So I’all be voting whichever of these people is a viable second lynch, and stating for the record I would also vote for Toejam. We do not have a second lynch today, unless I’m really confused. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/132 "2017-01-25T14:27:59Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > I think we need the two lynches and I definitely think Toejam must be resolved today. So I’all be voting whichever of these people is a viable second lynch, and stating for the record I would also vote for Toejam. There is no second lynch Today. We had one Town death last Night so there is one lynch Today. Sario’s death occured in Day 3 and does not change the number of lynches. ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/133 "2017-01-25T14:46:58Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > In all seriousness, just how many times this game are you going to claim that you can’t be scum because you did something that’s a neutral tell at best? I’m not claiming I can’t be scum here. I know I’m town and Prof P knows my playstyle, so I’m suspicious of him for making an issue over something that he knows is contrary to my playstyle. This argument wasn’t to defend me, it’s to explain where my suspicions arose from. Stop tunneling. I don’t even have votes on me right now. You don’t like my playstyle? That’s fine, I don’t like yours either. I’m not going to stop contributing what I can because you don’t like it. This is suspicious behavior coming from him towards me. ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/134 "2017-01-25T14:48:17Z")
> [@MHaye](#): > > There is no second lynch Today. We had one Town death last Night so there is one lynch Today. > > Sario’s death occured in Day 3 and does not change the number of lynches. Okay, thank you. **Vote Toejam** ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/135 "2017-01-25T14:51:57Z")
Zeriel, besides me who else are you suspicious of? I’m not capable of doing a WOW on my phone but I just looked at your ISO and I see nothing but fluff, negativity towards me, general policy stands and comments on mechanics. It’s entirely possible that I’m missing something trying to read this way, so if so please correct me. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Klutz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captain_klutz/32/4993_2.png) [@Captain\_Klutz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Klutz)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/136 "2017-01-25T14:57:21Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > If they’re scum, they don’t need to survive to end game. They just need to survive long enough to do damage with whichever power they have. As there are several people pulling for “leave them alone until later in the game,” we can hardly call the idea of such a plan completely out of left field. > > Lynching Sachertorte may or may not net us scum, but it will **definitely** not result in a town lynch\* and it will **definitely** give us hard facts that we do not currently have. Scum exposing themselves like this for maybe some extra Nights to use their powers looks pretty well out of left field. They were not under pressure so it looks an incredibly unlikely scenario. Yes, lynching one of them will net us hard facts. It is also extremely likely to be a mislynch. ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/137 "2017-01-25T14:59:52Z")
Here’s Zeriel’s ISO for anyone who is interested. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?searchid=13856022](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?searchid=13856022) ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/138 "2017-01-25T15:09:21Z")
I do see you voted Crys because she has a “hinky story” and you believe in the multilynch. Then you announce a policy suspicion of any voters who don’t vote in a way that will execute the multilynch. I believe Crys’s story. I was nevertheless for her lynch because I misunderstood the scum wincons. I agree with you about the multilynch, but I don’t like your blanket policy suspicion. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/139 "2017-01-25T15:16:00Z")
The fact that there are two scum teams and that the town is clearly not currently winning, makes me think a scum ploy is unlikely. I would like to kill a cultist at some point, too much of what Crys said and did makes no sense, but I think hunting for scum takes priority. I don’t find the ToeJam case particularly compelling, though I admit I’m not exactly sure what the case is at this point. There are number of other players that I’d like to look closer at, so that is where I’m going to start. ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/140 "2017-01-25T15:32:29Z")
I was not originally on board with the toejam lynch, as I have previously mentioned, due to where and when it started. But I’m coming around. His reaction to my plan(which I fully realize was bad now) was not the reaction of someone being honest. How you go from “Batman can claim to give us more information that toejam is scum!” to “Batman totally should not claim just to save me!” is beyond me. But twisting someone’s words to protect themselves, or smear them in case of scum card flip, is exactly the sort of thing that scum would do. I’m leaving my vote on ender for now, but I’m open to moving it depending on how things go. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068.md?page=8)