# Mafia Reunion - Day Two **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [January 17, 2017, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425 "2017-01-17T22:20:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2017, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/301 "2017-01-19T20:29:00Z")
Wouldn’t it be better for Batman to try to hit scum? I can’t imagine any scenario where I would want Batman aiming at someone he thought was town. It might be true that Brewha\* is\* scum, but I’m not inclined to think so, at least for the moment. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2017, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/302 "2017-01-19T20:32:21Z")
Per [the mods](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=19930531#post19930531), ToeJam isn’t due to be modkilled any earlier than Dawn of Day 3. If you want him dead by Night 2, you will need to keep your vote on him. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2017, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/303 "2017-01-19T20:39:00Z")
NETA: Number one rule of gun safety: Always point the muzzle in a safe direction; never point a firearm at anyone or anything you don’t want to shoot. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2017, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/304 "2017-01-19T20:43:04Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Per [the mods](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=19930531#post19930531), ToeJam isn’t due to be modkilled any earlier than Dawn of Day 3. If you want him dead by Night 2, you will need to keep your vote on him. " Any player who goes a full Day-Night cycles without contributing to the thread will be replaced" \*\* PCM \*\* is in that puddle too if I read this right? ( they missed N1)- but I read Day/Night cycle. so I don’t think Night then Day triggers it? ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2017, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/305 "2017-01-19T20:58:40Z")
Looks like we’re not going to get a consensus about whether or not Batman should target me. If I look at switches through the eyes of an electrician, I gotta wonder if the switches are in series or in parallel. The they are in series - which I assumed - then either of the switches would break the connection and shut off Batman’s powers. But, if they are parallel, both switches would have to be off to break the connection. If only one switch is off, the power is still active. I’m flipping my switch tonight. I guess whether I not I get an attempted vig is up to Batman at this point. If he (and I’m going to use the pronoun “he” for everyone for whom I know not the gender - don’t read anything into it) decides to target someone else, he’ll at least know if my switch shut off his power. We won’t know if if the other switch holder flipped theirs or whether or not both switches were needed to shut it off. And, the town isn’t going to know for sure what happened if I survive the night. Did Batman fail to kill me? Did he target someone else and failed? Did his kill go through the the mafia kill(s) were somehow thwarted? I guess all we really know is that some stuff is going to go down tonight and we’ll have to sort it out when the dust clears. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2017, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/306 "2017-01-19T21:03:22Z")
If ToeJam shows up at the last minute Today, we lynch him Tomorrow. There’s no hurry. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2017, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/307 "2017-01-19T21:11:22Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Per [the mods](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=19930531#post19930531), ToeJam isn’t due to be modkilled any earlier than Dawn of Day 3. If you want him dead by Night 2, you will need to keep your vote on him. Well, then I would argue voting for him is not lazy or worthy of FOS. He can stop the mod-kill by showing up and participating. I think he’s scum. I can only do my part to ensure his lynch by voting for him. Secondarily, I understood it to be a simple Day/Night cycle of non-participation and he was due up end of toDay/beginning of Night 2. Thank you for the cite. It’s a little confusing, but on re-read I see that that is when he accrues the penalty but the mod-kills will happen at Dawn. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2017, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/308 "2017-01-19T21:12:33Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > If ToeJam shows up at the last minute Today, we lynch him Tomorrow. There’s no hurry. I suppose, if there’s a clearer candidate. I will reserve judgment. There is time. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2017, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/309 "2017-01-19T21:16:36Z")
Ladies and gentlemen, for those of you looking for a lurker to vote for, may I suggest **Hal Briston!**. Three posts on Day One, one apologizing for lurking and two wondering whether the scum have a Night kill or not. No sign of him yet Today. > [@Mafia Reunion - Day One](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/389): > > I _knew_ this was going to happen. I’d sign up for a massive game, have a few things get in the way from reading, and come in ridiculously overwhelmed. > > I haven’t read anything at all from Day One yet – just responding to the well-deserved mod nag PMs – so it’s time to do some clearly-a-scum-tell skimming and share my thoughts later today. > [@Mafia Reunion - Day One](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/441): > > Family business took over most of the day (_kids_…they’re so damn needy with wanting food and parental attention, I tell you…), so I haven’t been able to read the thread. > > BUT, I did spend quite a bit of time in the [rules post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19895637&postcount=2) and the [roles post](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XVWkU49fRxu3ukJ6EVZ8Q11VrC9JjW9LHnaIMlgi-zU/edit), and something odd has occurred to me\*. > > Do Mafia/Wolves have a standard nightkill? I see where the Godfather has a daykill and the Alpha Wolf has a nightkill, plus there are some roles with “target someone and if _x_ happens then they die” nighttime actions, but do they have the standard nighttime “We choose to kill \” action? > > I can’t imagine that they don’t, simply because those teams would be seriously nerfed if they lost their respective leaders, but I don’t see anything stating that they do. > \*Holy crap, I hope this hasn’t already been pointed out and discussed/explained already. > [@Mafia Reunion - Day One](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/454): > > So, humor me for a second. > > **Do Mafia/Wolves have a standard nightkill not actually specified in the rules?** ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2017, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/310 "2017-01-19T21:18:44Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > Here is my problem with your statement, or concern perhaps. What stops **ToeJam** from showing up at the last minute and stopping the mod-kill? I’ve “nominated” my second place choice for the moment, so it’s not like I’m not looking at other candidates, but I don’t want to remove the heat from **ToeJam** on the assumption that the mods will handle it. He has a really easy out from that. I wish we had conditional voting. Here, let me ask. > > **Mods - can we have conditional voting for cases like a mod kill, where we would have lynched someone, but they are killed by superior forces? Like say, ToeJam. He leads in lynch votes. He is also due to get mod killed. I want my vote to count. If he gets mod-killed, what happens to my vote? Do I get to make a second choice? Maybe a follow up question is, does mod killing happen before lynching, giving the town time to consider their actions before Day’s End?** The lynch supercedes everything else. Also, people will be mod killed at Dawn not with the lynch. This gives us time to sub them out if possible. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2017, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/311 "2017-01-19T21:21:48Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > I was viewing it as a series of if/then results that, as we progress and learn more, could be useful. It’s not unlike any other gain of information from any deaths or power roles, it’s just that more people would be aware of the potentials of what’s going on in the background and that can influence future decisions and information deciphering. > > Did that make sense to anyone but me? Normally, a vanilla only knows what’s in the thread and revealed by mods. A power only knows that plus their own results. If we as a group know more going into a Night, that spreads out what information we can all use and potentially winkle out smaller details as they match or conflict with the information that’s been shared. > > Essentially, I was viewing it as similar to someone being able to tell us the result of a town power without anyone having to role claim. This may be naive, but that’s how I was viewing it. And it’s hard to predict exactly how information can fit together, but I’ve seen very small details break open a lot of information in the past. So, essentially, you expect something magical to happen? I’m not liking the lack of paranoia in jsgoddess. > [@brewha](#): > > My death would verify whether or not we are notified of switching powers of the dead. > > Here’s the tricky thing though - what if my powers to switch move on to someone else? Obviously it’d be good to know that - but would the person that acquired the power really want to come forward to let us know? You are way overthinking this. We have 5 deaths and one mod kill and no indication of switches. The likelihood of being told about switches goes down with each death with no switch reveal. Very soon we will have more deaths and more info or lack of info about switch reveals at death. Do we really need to know _right now_? Why are we going to kill brewha just to verify something that we will figure out fairly definitively soon enough anyway? And it’s seriously weird that brewha is okay with all this. > [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > Here is my problem with your statement, or concern perhaps. What stops **ToeJam** from showing up at the last minute and stopping the mod-kill? I’ve “nominated” my second place choice for the moment, so it’s not like I’m not looking at other candidates, but I don’t want to remove the heat from **ToeJam** on the assumption that the mods will handle it. He has a really easy out from that. I wish we had conditional voting. Here, let me ask. > > **Mods - can we have conditional voting for cases like a mod kill, where we would have lynched someone, but they are killed by superior forces? Like say, ToeJam. He leads in lynch votes. He is also due to get mod killed. I want my vote to count. If he gets mod-killed, what happens to my vote? Do I get to make a second choice? Maybe a follow up question is, does mod killing happen before lynching, giving the town time to consider their actions before Day’s End?** In my opinion, I’m holding off on voting for Toejam in favor of a mod kill. If ToeJam shows up last minute, it may or may not be a good thing. For example, if ToeJam claims a Town Power then it will be quite fortuitous that we didn’t Lynch him or have him mod killed. If he just shows up to avoid the mod-kill then disappears again, then we will have to Lynch him the next day and be grumpy (I’ll be seriously pissed). If he does something in between, then we judge based on the facts. I have to admit, this game has lost a bit of its shine. I was really into it last week, but this week, I’m a bit meh. > [@brewha](#): > > The they are in series - which I assumed - then either of the switches would break the connection and shut off Batman’s powers. > > But, if they are parallel, both switches would have to be off to break the connection. If only one switch is off, the power is still active. Neither. The switches are a three-way switch. If both are untouched, the power is on. if both are touched, the power is on. If one is flipped and the other not flipped, the power is off. I don’t want to ask mod questions in the main thread about someone else’s private message (that’s just weird and open to abuse). I suggest you ask the mods by PM to clarify your switch to you. Ask them to define “on” “off” and “toggle” with respect to your switch and the other switch that goes with yours. Using “on” and “off” in your PM when the rules state “toggle” is messed up and probably the cause of much confusion. Any other configuration (series or parallel) doesn’t make sense game-wise. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2017, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/312 "2017-01-19T21:31:48Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > \*\* Meeko \*\* > I re read your vote post, and post 200 ( where you danced with the Town/team thing) is that the one? > > it changes my comment none > and while you are here- You commented on My D1 post about the “one post wonders”- have you new thoughts on that? I used the term “one post wonder” ? 😕:eek: Nope. No new thoughts… ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2017, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/313 "2017-01-19T21:33:01Z")
I’ll be overly blunt. **Those of us without switches couldn’t care less.** No I mean seriously. You don’t want our feedback, and won’t heed it anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2017, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/314 "2017-01-19T22:00:56Z")
Other than Briston, all the 5-post or fewer players from Day one are either one-posters on the road to modkill (Skeezix, precambrian) or have shown signs of upping their game Today (Idle, Koldanar, Khameleon, and especially Inner Stickler). ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2017, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/315 "2017-01-19T22:01:58Z")
NETA: sorry, make that 3 posts or fewer. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2017, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/316 "2017-01-19T22:02:07Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > So, essentially, you expect something magical to happen? > I’m not liking the lack of paranoia in jsgoddess. You think Town attempting to control an action to the extent possible and observe the results is magic? Saying it’s not worth the risk is one thing, but to say that it’s so impossible to get anything from it that it’s dependent on magic is something else. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2017, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/317 "2017-01-19T22:12:30Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > I’ll be overly blunt. > > **Those of us without switches couldn’t care less.** > > No I mean seriously. You don’t want our feedback, and won’t heed it anyway. +1 ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2017, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/318 "2017-01-19T22:13:14Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > \ > In my opinion, I’m holding off on voting for Toejam in favor of a mod kill. If ToeJam shows up last minute, it may or may not be a good thing. For example, if ToeJam claims a Town Power then it will be quite fortuitous that we didn’t Lynch him or have him mod killed. If he just shows up to avoid the mod-kill then disappears again, then we will have to Lynch him the next day and be grumpy (I’ll be seriously pissed). If he does something in between, then we judge based on the facts. You have convinced me. I will move my vote. I will be seriously irritated if we have to lynch later, but it can be done. **Unvote ToeJam** **Vote Plumpudding** > [@](#): > > I have to admit, this game has lost a bit of its shine. I was really into it last week, but this week, I’m a bit meh. I feel a bit the same way, but as I mentioned in the last thread I’m single-parenting this week, so I’m not quite as “squirrel” with this thread as I was last week. (It was my new, shiny precious last week IOW.) I think it’s just sinking in how large this game is. ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2017, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/319 "2017-01-19T22:34:21Z")
Yo peeps! Plum in da hud… OOG: I’m kinda smashed, had an exam today - passed (wuhu), and had a great rehersal today that crushed my skull to bits. On the brewha/switch situation… I’m against it right now. I don’t know how I’ll feel tomorrow, but there’s something gunky about it. Need fresh eyes. FOS jsgoddess, why not! FOS Pleonast. But… > [@Pleonast](#): > > **Thing Fish** has implicitly stated something else: that a player who has read the secret board does not know a particular piece of information. How can anyone who has no knowledge of the secret board know this? The information gained from reading a secret board is extremely dependent on what’s on that board. The only possible conclusion is that **Thing Fish** has knowledge of what’s on that board. > > This is a clear-cut case of perfect information. It’s probably clear-cut enough that we should leave it to the Vigilante to take care of, since we’ll gain little information from lynching a self-revealed scum. But it’s good for an early vote in the Day. > [snipp snapp snute] Could you please explain this to me? Maybe I’m dimwitted but I don’t understand you. If you would be so kind to provide links or quotes, maybe put some emphasis here and there… If it isn’t to much of a bother. On multi-lynches: I only have one experience with this, but what made it beautiful, IMO effective AND kept it clear vote-records-wise, was how it happened in the moment. It was kinda like a hookup classified ad in a grocery store. Us had to move around, allright, but so did scum, with way worse justifications, in a worse circumstance, for having to do so. Our movements made them move, so their movements made us move again and so on and so forth. Me and Nada were buddy-bros from there on out. High-five SNF! Anyway, if I didn’t make it clear, I’m against co~ordinated multi-lynches as talked about in this game, though not at all against listing your suspects from top to bottom. > [@sachertorte](#): > > I have to admit, this game has lost a bit of its shine. I was really into it last week, but this week, I’m a bit meh. Yo babe, don’t be down. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2017, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/320 "2017-01-19T22:35:30Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > You have convinced me. I will move my vote. I will be seriously irritated if we have to lynch later, but it can be done. > > **Unvote ToeJam** > **Vote Plumpudding** > > I feel a bit the same way, but as I mentioned in the last thread I’m single-parenting this week, so I’m not quite as “squirrel” with this thread as I was last week. (It was my new, shiny precious last week IOW.) I think it’s just sinking in how large this game is. ☹ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425.md?page=17)