# Mafia Reunion - Day Two **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [January 17, 2017, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425 "2017-01-17T22:20:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/381 "2017-01-20T02:41:40Z")
Wait, I just assumed Klutzy did the redacting as to not say publicly which switch he has. **Cap’n Klutz** , did YOU do the redaction, or is the redaction part of your PM? ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/382 "2017-01-20T02:46:18Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > I don’t see what is so hard about explaining how the switches are meant to work. The problem with using a previously seen game mechanic is that some have seen it and others have not. What’s worse is when using a game mechanic that is similar to but _substantively different_ than the previously seen mechanic. If it is some sort of super secret cool thing that you don’t want to ‘ruin,’ well, that ship has sailed. > > I feel that this game is imploding under its own weight. The mods seem overworked and the players are confused over what should be a simple thing. Feel free to discuss it with me outside the game. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/383 "2017-01-20T02:46:30Z")
Batman switch or no, this game be Robin me of my free time. . . . No? . I need to go sit in the corner and think about what I did? …oh ok. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/384 "2017-01-20T02:49:44Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Wait, I just assumed Klutzy did the redacting as to not say publicly which switch he has. > > **Cap’n Klutz** , did YOU do the redaction, or is the redaction part of your PM? That was my assumption too. Pretty much what \*\*Crys75 \*\*did - claimed a switching power without actually claiming who they control. What I’m interested in is whether their switches are for a pro town or a pro scum role and whether the default is “on” or “off”. **Crys75** , do you mind posting your PM? At this point, I don’t care if you bleach out the actual role that you are switching. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/385 "2017-01-20T02:50:56Z")
> [@brewha](#): > > That was my assumption too. Pretty much what \*\*Crys75 \*\*did - claimed a switching power without actually claiming who they control. > > What I’m interested in is whether their switches are for a pro town or a pro scum role and whether the default is “on” or “off”. > **Crys75** , do you mind posting your PM? At this point, I don’t care if you bleach out the actual role that you are switching. The mods already clarified that the switches would all default to ON at sunrise. ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/386 "2017-01-20T02:51:34Z")
> [@Captain\_Klutz](#): > > I think that **brewha** should not flip his switch and the vig target who they wish. Yes, I think the vig should be killing every Night. There is a pool of 14 scum to hit, which is pretty good odds. I agree with this. But will add that you forgot 3rd parties which could also benefit town. At this point the odds are in our favor. > [@Mafia Reunion - Day One](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/264): > > So, as I read on, I see that a Colby bandwagon has formed. I am the first to admit that my eye is still on him/her, however this post is actually a better candidate for suspicion. I find that a defense of another player is usually given whenever the culprit actually has superior information about the other player. So, I will > > unvote Colby > > and > > Vote snfaulkner I’m still trying to catch up, but it’s even harder now that I am trying to stay caught up on D2 as well. So bear with me if I missed something. I don’t like this jump off of Colby. I know he flipped town… I also know almost everyone has looked at that bandwagon… but did anyone else look at those that jumped wagon? Septimus was town… I believe he was the first to jump wagon… but I see a strong motivation for scum to jump wagon once it seemed to be full steam ahead. They help get the wagon going with their vote… then when it’s going full speed they bail so that they keep a clean vote record. I also think they would have wanted to have a diversified vote record, so if there was scum on the bandwagon then it makes sense for some of them to jump off so they would be grouped together. I also believe that this strategy would have occurred to both teams which would mean that it’s possible that both teams had someone jump wagon. I’m gonna \*\* Vote DiggitCamara \*\*. Back to reading. No idea how any of you are rereading. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/387 "2017-01-20T03:03:00Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > I agree with this. But will add that you forgot 3rd parties which could also benefit town. At this point the odds are in our favor. > > I’m still trying to catch up, but it’s even harder now that I am trying to stay caught up on D2 as well. So bear with me if I missed something. > > I don’t like this jump off of Colby. I know he flipped town… I also know almost everyone has looked at that bandwagon… but did anyone else look at those that jumped wagon? Septimus was town… I believe he was the first to jump wagon… but I see a strong motivation for scum to jump wagon once it seemed to be full steam ahead. They help get the wagon going with their vote… then when it’s going full speed they bail so that they keep a clean vote record. I also think they would have wanted to have a diversified vote record, so if there was scum on the bandwagon then it makes sense for some of them to jump off so they would be grouped together. I also believe that this strategy would have occurred to both teams which would mean that it’s possible that both teams had someone jump wagon. > > I’m gonna \*\* Vote DiggitCamara \*\*. > > Back to reading. No idea how any of you are rereading. > Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk Third parties that benefit Town? I know Survivor would be able to stand with either side, an I am sure there are a few more that I am unaware of…but what 3P are you thinking of? ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/388 "2017-01-20T03:05:13Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > Third parties that benefit Town? I know Survivor would be able to stand with either side, an I am sure there are a few more that I am unaware of…but what 3P are you thinking of? I thought he was saying the vig would be shooting into a pool that includes 14 scum plus 3rd parties. ---
**Author:** ![Crys75](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3da27b/32.png) [@Crys75](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crys75)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/389 "2017-01-20T03:07:48Z")
Oh and instead of FOS on Chrono it should have been capn klutzy Sent from my XT1526 using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/390 "2017-01-20T03:08:28Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > I thought he was saying the vig would be shooting into a pool that includes 14 scum plus 3rd parties. Ah. I misread. Blame sleuthjuice. Shooting into a pool of 14 scum + 3P. Makes more sense now. ---
**Author:** ![Crys75](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3da27b/32.png) [@Crys75](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crys75)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/391 "2017-01-20T03:10:26Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Wait, I just assumed Klutzy did the redacting as to not say publicly which switch he has. > > **Cap’n Klutz** , did YOU do the redaction, or is the redaction part of your PM? I mean he could have…But why would he hide which switch and then put scum power. I’m willing to get this go for today however of he was still alive in the morning my first reaction would be to vote him. Sent from my XT1526 using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Crys75](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3da27b/32.png) [@Crys75](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crys75)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/392 "2017-01-20T03:16:47Z")
> [@brewha](#): > > That was my assumption too. Pretty much what \*\*Crys75 \*\*did - claimed a switching power without actually claiming who they control. > > What I’m interested in is whether their switches are for a pro town or a pro scum role and whether the default is “on” or “off”. > **Crys75** , do you mind posting your PM? At this point, I don’t care if you bleach out the actual role that you are switching. I will post it in the morning from my pc. I just took 2 Percocets and I’m not sure I could do it lol. Sent from my XT1526 using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/393 "2017-01-20T03:19:30Z")
> [@Captain\_Klutz](#): > > I had previously asked the mods whether a switch is revealed upon the player’s death. The reply was that the switch is NOT mentioned. > \*\* > NAF declined to confirm this in the thread (post 238). I just told him that I already know, and whether he should therefore confirm it in the game. He replied that it is okay to report what I was told. \*\* > > So, reporting that switches are not revealed on death. can you flesh your second bit out for me- It has me in xirxles ( accentuation mine) ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Klutz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captain_klutz/32/4993_2.png) [@Captain\_Klutz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Klutz)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/394 "2017-01-20T03:23:46Z")
> [@Crys75](#): > > OK so I have a switch too. My role pm is similar in wording as the thing that bothers me is that brewhas and my own is that we know what switch we have. The other guys says scum power redacted it seems unfair that he doesn’t know what his switch controls. Now if he redacted his own control switch why would he hide that. I am tempted to stick a huge FOS on Chrono. I didn’t post my pm because I don’t think it’s wise to reveal all of our switchers and what switches they control. I did the redacting, I do know what it controls. Why would I hide that? Because scum would benefit more than town from that knowledge. If you do post your switch PM, I suggest redacting the power, as I did. As for wording, the mods have told me “The PMs say the same thing with different words. Read them again.” I can’t agree that they say the same thing: “Each Night, it begins in the “on” position and you may flip it to “off” or leave it alone” is an off switch, not a toggle. However, we now know that they are meant to be the same. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/395 "2017-01-20T03:25:33Z")
**snfaulkner,** my **MHaye** case got ninja’ed by your **Diggit** case, which I also quite like. I think you can be Town. I had overlooked that **Diggit** , like **MHaye** , had exactly five posts Yesterday and a wolfy pop-in Today. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Klutz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captain_klutz/32/4993_2.png) [@Captain\_Klutz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Klutz)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/396 "2017-01-20T03:30:20Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > I had previously asked the mods whether a switch is revealed upon the player’s death. The reply was that the switch is NOT mentioned. > > > > NAF declined to confirm this in the thread (post 238). I just told him that I already know, and whether he should therefore confirm it in the game. He replied that it is okay to report what I was told. > > > > So, reporting that switches are not revealed on death. > > can you flesh your second bit out for me- It has me in xirxles ( accentuation mine) Not sure what you mean. But here is the exchange: [QUOTE=NAF1138] [QUOTE=Captain Klutz] NAF, In the game thread, you declined to say whether switches were revealed on death. However, Mahaloth has already told me that they are not: [QUOTE=Mahaloth] [QUOTE=Captain Klutz] When a switch holder dies, is anything said about their switch? (such as “storyteller, vanilla town, is dead. He held a Cop switch”) Or is the fact that they held a switch completely left out? [/QUOTE] Completely left out. [/QUOTE] Since I already know, shouldn’t it be revealed publicly? [/QUOTE] Huh. He should not have done that, but, cat’s out of the bag I guess. Feel free to report what you were told. [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/397 "2017-01-20T03:30:46Z")
**I and NAF believe everything regarding switches has been adequately explained. However, I will explain to make sure.** > [@](#): > > In addition to the PMs shown at the location above, some players will receive an additional PM. In this game, certain powers will run off of switches, which are simple toggles. Each power is associated with two switches, each given to a different player. Activation or deactivation of these switches is an independent ability that can be performed at any Dawn or Dusk as a separate action that does not prevent the player from using any personal abilities. \*\*Note: I later pointed out that switches only get flipped/toggled at Night. Now, I’m going to provide an example just to end the confusion. I pray it works. Open up the spoiler to read the example. [spoiler] Let’s say we have a switch called “vigilante switch”\*. It controls the vigilante’s ability to kill. There are two of these switches out there. Player A and Player B have them. Every Night, the “vigilante switch” begins “ON”, meaning the vigilante’s power will work. If neither Player A nor B flip the switch, it stays on and the vigilante power remains active. If one switch-owner flips the switch and the other does not, the power would be turned off. If both Player A _and_ B flip it, it would flip off and then right back to on, making the power active. Every switch works like this. There are always two(never three or four). All revert to ON to start each Night. And no, they are not revealed at point of death. _I picked that power randomly. There may or may not be a switch like it in the game. [/spoiler]_\* ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/398 "2017-01-20T03:31:36Z")
NETA: Well,I guess you can be not-a-member-of -the-same-scum-team-as-Diggit, which has less of a ring to it but fits the ruleset. ---
**Author:** ![Crys75](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3da27b/32.png) [@Crys75](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crys75)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/399 "2017-01-20T03:31:59Z")
Meh there is more than one mod running the game but I think putting redacted scum power makes you more of a target…Unless you don’t need to care… Sent from my XT1526 using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Crys75](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3da27b/32.png) [@Crys75](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crys75)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/400 "2017-01-20T03:33:34Z")
Neta my quote lol drugged posts are no good. That reply was for capn klutz Sent from my XT1526 using Tapatalk [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425.md?page=19) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425.md?page=21)