# Mafia Reunion - Day Two **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [January 17, 2017, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425 "2017-01-17T22:20:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 26
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/501 "2017-01-20T14:25:58Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Yes, and let me say, NAF and I are not overly bogged down, just really busy. I’m actually thrilled to be modding this game and am enjoying it a lot. Naf, story, and I worked pretty hard(uh, really hard) to make it, too. Our 3 person discussion is over 400 posts long right now. > > As for the malware redirects, I have no idea. Let me say once again…I voted to host on giraffe. And I love the Dope! Ghostery is working wonders for me on my phone. Tho having it on giraffe would have avoided this issue. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/502 "2017-01-20T14:36:13Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > Ghostery is working wonders for me on my phone. Tho having it on giraffe would have avoided this issue. I have been using the sdmb daily for years and this is the first time I have had this problem. We lost a potential sub because of them. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/503 "2017-01-20T14:43:38Z")
> [@Hockey\_Monkey](#): > > Guys guys guys, you are all putting too much thought into the word toggle. > > A regular old light switch is called a toggle switch. **Amen! And my post was the final post, I think, on a previous page. Perhaps folks missed it?** ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/504 "2017-01-20T15:04:42Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > I have been using the sdmb daily for years and this is the first time I have had this problem. We lost a potential sub because of them. Yeah this is definitely new. I typically browse sdmb on my phone more than anything, and there has been a lot more swearing around here lately. ---
**Author:** ![BillMC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3be4f8/32.png) [@BillMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BillMC)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/505 "2017-01-20T15:09:42Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Jesus, I make enough mistakes without people making mistakes about them! Look again. That’s bloody weird - I double checked that last night. But I see now from my work laptop that that post is indeed from colby - I’ll blame jetlag, which isn’t going to get any better as I have another 13hr flight on sunday…urgh. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/506 "2017-01-20T15:13:46Z")
> [@](#): > > [Quoth **paulwhoisaghost**](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19934242&postcount=424): > > Yes it would… by your logic you should be voting for brewha… following your logic town shouldn’t have a switch for its own vig right? It’s plausible that Town might have switches for Townie roles, because we can’t freely coordinate their use: We can’t coordinate at all without revealing information that we might not want to reveal, and even if we do reveal that information, nobody else knows if they can trust the revealed information. It’s different for Scum. Incidentally, since there’s a question about which team(s) control which switches, it was useful information for **Captain Klutz** to tell us that his switch is for a Scum power. That way, once we learn his alignment, assuming he’s Town, we would learn that Town controls at least some Scum switches. > [@](#): > > [Quoth **Sunny Daze**](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19934267&postcount=427): > > I think the Mods have been as clear as they can be without chiseling words on marble that the switches all operate the same. We even have an example with a vigilante all spoilered up and everything. I think that’s why **Captain** used the past tense: At the time he revealed his switch, it looked like it was different from **brewha** ’s. Since then, the mods have clarified that they all work the same, so that’s no longer relevant. > [@](#): > > [Quoth **paulwhoisaghost**](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19934305&postcount=435): > > Does anyone else think this is likely the case? That each faction has three switches? One for their own power and one for a power of each opposing faction? Impossible. That would make nine total switches, an odd number. If threes come into it at all, then each faction might have three switched roles, with two switches for each, for a total of 18 switches… but that’s pure speculation, and even if true (and known true), I’m not sure what it would get us. > [@](#): > > [Quoth **Hoopy Frood**](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19934335&postcount=444): > > So will lynches, but we still do them. The difference is while the vote record produces additional information, it is significantly influenced by scum, which can produce a lot of noise making it hard to find the signal. In lynches, the influence by Scum _is_ the signal. Vig kills lack that. > [@](#): > > [Quoth **Sunny Daze**](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19934362&postcount=449): > > SP was the detective. He could investigate and get a result once per Day (per the roles doc). He didn’t claim, but he may have had information on Plumpudding. Now, I don’t know if once per Day means at noon, at Dawn, or what, (because you probably missed the part where I was introduced as the noob in the group), but that is what my statement about SP’s role causing me to take another look at PP meant. Investigating during the day means that you get the results at the end of Day (i.e., after any votes **Suburban** cast). There might be some hints in his N1 postings: Some players, when playing detective-like roles, like to leave “breadcrumbs” to hint their results to Town, in the event of their untimely demise. But then again, some don’t, because if Scum pick up on them, it can be the cause of their untimely demise. I don’t know which style **Suburban** favored. > [@](#): > > [Quoth **nesta**](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19934443&postcount=473): > > This post was prior to brewha claiming the Vig switch. Chronos guesses that both scum factions control Batman. My assumption is that there is, more or less, symmetry between the two Scum teams. If one Scum team has a Batman switch and the other one doesn’t, that would be a very large asymmetry. In other words, for any given Town power role, either neither Scum team has a switch, or each has one switch. Now, for most Town power roles, it wouldn’t make any sense at all for Town to hold both switches, because we don’t want to switch off our own powers, but the Vig is an exception: We might want to turn him off (though I understand that opinions differ here). Now, at the time I formulated my plan, I was still unsure about **brewha** ’s alignment (though his willingness to go along counts strongly in his favor). I figured, if **brewha** is telling the truth and if the other switcher is Town, the plan would leave him alive, but if **brewha** is lying (and hence presumably Scum) and the other switcher is on the other Scum team, then his fate would be in their hands, and they’d have no reason to want to save him, and thus would let him die. There are other possibilities, but I consider them less likely due to symmetry, and so I considered the most likely outcomes to be either a live Townie or a dead Scum, either of which is good. The complications just come in if the symmetry I assume isn’t there (I still assume it), or if other power roles can interfere somehow (which it appears they can). ---
**Author:** ![BillMC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3be4f8/32.png) [@BillMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BillMC)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/507 "2017-01-20T15:13:49Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > There is no easy answer to this, I wish there was. We are not intentionally trying to give clues in the color, but we (at least in the color I write) am trying to accurately describe the game. So maybe you can find something there due to mod PIS? But the color is mostly there for your amusement and to provide a storyline for anyone who is into that sort of thing. > [@Mahaloth](#): > > \*\*Color is just color. Or if you prefer, Colour is just Colour. > \*\* Glad to see you agree with each other 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/508 "2017-01-20T15:20:27Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > Mod told us in game Day actions need be in before EOD > > actions resolve at Dawn or Dusk ( the rules) so results should be given then… > using the n00b card too much may get you lynched > [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > Umm… huh? It was my understanding that Day actions would resolve at Dusk and results given with the start of Night. > > Did I miss something? > > Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk > [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > Ok… thank you… I’m not crazy. > > Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk Right. There are 2000+ posts now. I missed that post. I think I’m doing I better job of participating that many people. I acknowledged that I might not understand how it works. I only mentioned to Paul that I was noob so that he would understand that I might not understand how it worked because he’s catching up on 2000 posts. Because I misunderstood at least part of the situation, **Unvote Plumpudding** Although, candidly, I might revote. The fluff to content is still as valid as anything else at this point. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/509 "2017-01-20T15:23:57Z")
As promised a current player list AngeloftheNorth BillMc Biotop Boozahol Squid, P.I. brewha bufftabby Captain Klutz Chronos Colby11 ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies crys75 DiggitCamara Drain Bead EnderW24 Guiri Hal Briston hawkeyeop Hockey Monkey HookerChemical Hoopy Frood Idle Thoughts Inner Stickler Johnny Bravo jsgoddess Khameleon Koldanar Lakai LightFoot Meeko MHaye Nanook of the North Shore Nesta Paulwhoisaghost Pleonast Plumpudding Precambrian mollusc Prof. Pepperwinkle Raventhief Red Skeezix Sachertorte Sario Scathach sinjin snfaulkner Sunny Daze Texcat Thing Fish Toejam Total Lost Zeriel Players who have yet to post toDay and are potentially going to get killed or subbed Hal Briston Precambrian mollusc Red Skeezix Toejam Total Lost Which is pretty disappointing. But, it is what it is. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/510 "2017-01-20T15:25:59Z")
I’m trying to catch up on posts ToDay now, but I’ll have no more computer access after a few minutes until Monday. ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/511 "2017-01-20T15:34:55Z")
I am sorry and would like to apologize to both players and Mods. I intent to post something more substantial during this weekend. Things at work has been unexpectedly busy and this has resulted in my playing-time being reduced this week. I do not think it will happen again. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/512 "2017-01-20T15:35:33Z")
I don’t quite get Brewha’s motivation if he is scum. The reveal seems like pretty reckless and unnecessary gambit for a scum, particularly considering the existence of 2nd scum squad he would be a target would be a target. He is a mostly confirm town in my book. The 2nd and 3rd claims I’m more lukewarm on, they could be being mostly honest while actually being a scum or third party. 3 town switches seems like a lot to give the town, but it is a large game, so maybe. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/513 "2017-01-20T16:00:52Z")
**DAY TWO VOTE COUNT(through post 218)** If the vote count is wrong, it’s because we hate you and want you to check it yourself. Uh, there are no powers affecting vote count, so take a look at your vote for accuracy. **Pleonast** (3) - Lightfoot (288), Hooker Chemical (295), Thing Fish (297) **Angelofthenorth** (2)- Zeriel(60), Boozahol(80) **Toejam** (2) - raventhief(31), Idle Thoughts(32) **BillMC** (2) - Drainbead(132), Texcat(179) **DiggitCamera** (2) - snfalkner (332), Paulwhoisaghost (386) \*\*Idlethoughts **(1) - Angelofthenorth(44) \*\* Sario** (1) - ProfessorPepperwinkle(46) \*\*Sachertorte \*\*(1) - Meeko(203) \*\*Snfaulkner \*\*(1) - DiggitCamera(250) \*\*Texcat \*\*(1) - Plumpudding(68) \*\*Thingfish \*\*(1) - Pleonast(121) \*\*Chronos \*\*(1) - Nanook(151) \*\*Meeko \*\*(1) - Johnnybravo(169), \*\*Crys \*\*(1) - Guiri (262) \*\*JSgoddess \*\*(1) - Hoopy Frood (294) Pleonast is the leader and would be lynched if nothing changed. No second lynch has been reached at this point. 17 votes are required for the second lynch. * * * Brought to you by Pepperwinkle Farms. Remember when the only points you had to make were Sexton points? Pepperwinkle Farms remembers. It is now Day 2. Day 2 will end at 3:00 on Sunday, January 22. [Here is a countdown to that time.](https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/election?iso=20170122T15&p0=77&msg=End+of+Day+2&font=hand) ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/514 "2017-01-20T16:07:59Z")
> [@](#): > > Quoth **Hawkeyeop** : > > 3 town switches seems like a lot to give the town, but it is a large game, so maybe. We don’t have a claim of three Town switches. We have a claim of one Town switch, one Scum switch, and one switch of an unspecified faction. And it wouldn’t be “a lot to give the Town”, anyway, in a game this size, with this many roles. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/515 "2017-01-20T16:12:10Z")
So, you say you want to vote a low-poster who isn’t potentially going to be ModKilled? Vote **Sario**! ToDay, in Post 2, Sario said: > [@](#): > > That is a terrible way to start the Day and that’s all. YesterDay, he posted: #1030 > [@](#): > > I am here and I am playing, but I have 1000 posts to go through so I may not be able to post any substantial for a while. #1047 > [@](#): > > Quote: > Originally Posted by Chronos View Post > Any particular reason for that dislike? I mean, I’m not saying that this is some huge masterstroke or anything, but it looks to me like this will do a little bit of harm to Scum, and no harm at all to Townies. So, why not? About the only objection I can see is “if someone doesn’t go along that might be held against them”, but “I don’t like it because someone might not like it” doesn’t go very far. > I share Planktons’s dislike of mass claims, so I’ll answer for him. Short version is mass claiming is not Mafia. Mass claiming says, “I don’t want to think, I just want the answers given to me.” Mass claiming defeats the purpose of even playing the game. Post #1125: > [@](#): > > Quote: > Originally Posted by raventhief View Post > \ > > OOG - Sunny you should come over to Giraffe and play too - there’s a vote robot and a whole Mafia forum! > Quote: > Originally Posted by Sunny Daze View Post > \ > OOG - I believe I will, but maybe after we get through toDay. > Psst, Sunny, over here. Post 1131: > [@](#): > > Guest > > Join Date: Jan 2013 > Can we get an official vote count? and, finally, Post #1432: > [@](#): > > Quote: > Originally Posted by raventhief View Post > so if septimus self protected, it was the outrider. If he didn’t…it was maybe a couple of other options, including the factional kill or a 3P. Right? > That looks right to me. …and that’s all (well, not counting N0). \*\* Sario\*\*'s not playing at all. ---
**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/516 "2017-01-20T16:16:37Z")
[quote=“paulwhoisaghost, post:482, topic:777425”] > [@LightFoot](#): > > out all the 'nillas – have you lost your Mafia mind? I am tired but this is still :smack: 😕 :eek: > That doesn’t do anything to advance the discussion. All it tells me is you don’t like the idea… not why. You may think it’s obvious, but I see a potential to increase the likelihood of cross fire. If scum want to claim nilla too and hide there, fine… but they can’t all do it or we would have a much smaller pool to fish in and it would be obvious how many scum fish were in the pond… and it eliminates their ability to false claim later in the game. It also gives any remaining protector roles less people to think about protecting… > > But I want to hear why it’s a bad idea… genuinely… debate it with me… open invitation to all. I’ll tell you why it’s a bad idea. All Vanillas will claim vanilla. All Scum will claim vanilla. All town power roles will claim…well, what do they claim? If they claim non-vanilla, they’ve all just been exposed. If they claim vanilla, they’re now lying. (Granted, for a good reason, which is why I don’t like the “lynch all liars” policy some people have. Lying by town is okay, but you better be prepared to justify that lie.) And, if everyone claims vanilla, there’s no real data points. So yeah. Bad idea. Very bad idea. > [@Chronos](#): > > In lynches, the influence by Scum _is_ the signal. Vig kills lack that. Yes, but most of that signal is covered by noise, because most of the time scum act like town. You might disagree with me that a vig is useful, but there’s a reason vigs rarely make it to end game. They’re extremely dangerous to scum as the pool of unconfirmeds narrows. In small games, compulsory vigs are far less useful because a few extra town kills at the wrong time can be devastating. A game this large mitigates that considerably. ```auto Now on a completely different note, something occurred to me. **What if there is a One Switch?** You know, all Lord of the Rings and such. One thing that has bugged me about some mafia games is mechanics that serve purely as WIFOM. I personally believe in Chekhov's gun when it comes to these things. Every mechanic should play a discoverable part in the game. While I most familiar with Storyteller's modding (and least familiar with Mahaloth's who apparently is the originator of the switch mechanic), I doubt the switches are just there for the various holders to play Mexican standoff with. Our mods are devious bastards (in the best possible way). I think there is a third party role out there of a Mad Bomber (or possibly Riddler from the ToeJam and Boozy's Batman game) who needs to find them and bring them all and in the darkness bind them. So with one possible exception which I'll mention below: PLEASE STOP CLAIMING YOU HAVE SWITCHES! This is to everyone regardless of alignment. Unless you want to hand the game over to a third party. For those who don't know what a mad bomber is, they come in various flavors, but the archetypal mad bomber was a role who each Night tagged a living player with a bomb. When a certain number of living players were tagged, the bombs would go off and the mad bomber would win the game. If a tagged player dies, their bomb no longer counts. The numbers/percentage of players needed differs. I've seen games where everyone living had to be tagged. Personally, I think that's pretty much an impossible goal. I've seen games where only half the living players need to be tagged. I've seen games where a specific number of living players need to be tagged (which is changed to all players if it happens that there are less living players than the original number). Now on to Riddler in Batman. He had a list of names of all characters in the game. And a few who weren't. He also had in his list the names of the scum cover roles. His goal was to submit each Day and each Night a number of players and the name of the role they actually had. (I think he got to choose 5 players and roles.) He would be told how many he had right (but not specifically which ones were right). If he figured it all out, he won the game and the rest of us would fight for second place. The mass name claim almost handed the game to him barring two issues: first, the scum used cover names, naturally, and second NAF as Penguin, leader of the Masons (though sort of a 3rd party in that he could also steal the win from town and the Masons if certain conditions were met) and Cookies switched names to thwart scum (and inadvertently Hal Briston's Riddler). The reason being that all Masons were named the same thing (Penguin Henchman #X, IIRC). So it was obvious that a name claim would out their roles as well. So anyway, I think we have something similar going on here. Someone in this game needs to know who has the switches. It's possible that person is tagging people currently, and we've just given that player a bit of a roadmap toward that goal. Now I will say that since we have an exposed town power switch, it might behoove the holder of the other switch to come out. It would certainly be a pro-town move to know who holds the reins of a pro-town power, and would likely buy the person who comes out some town cred, particularly the earlier they do so. (Since if scum control the other half of the vig power, they don't want Town to know this since Town can then take action against that switch holder.) However, I'm not sold on this idea because if we do have a Sauron of Switches, that brings that player closer to their goal. And unless we can confirm the holder of the second switch is town, we might have to kill them anyway for fear of scum controlling a town power. I think Brewha's claim was seriously anti-town. But I don't think he's scum for it. It doesn't really make sense as a scum play. I also don't think he or anyone who's claimed switches is our Sauron. Thoughts? ``` ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/517 "2017-01-20T16:39:53Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > How do you know one of the dead was a switch holder? I don’t. I said it seems like we don’t get switch information because we have 5 dead players and no notice about switches. While it is possible that none of the 5 had a switch, it is unlikely. Given the number of roles with actions and the fact that switches come in pairs, there are probably a lot of switches out there. Even with a conservative estimate that only half the players have a switch, with 5 dead players and no switch reveals, that’s about a 3% chance that all five just happened to not have a switch. And I’m guessing we have more than 28 switches out there so the chances are even lower. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/518 "2017-01-20T16:43:32Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > We don’t have a claim of three Town switches. We have a claim of one Town switch, one Scum switch, and one switch of an unspecified faction. And it wouldn’t be “a lot to give the Town”, anyway, in a game this size, with this many roles. I meant 3 switches controlled by town members. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/519 "2017-01-20T16:57:47Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > I don’t. I said it seems like we don’t get switch information because we have 5 dead players and no notice about switches. While it is possible that none of the 5 had a switch, it is unlikely. Given the number of roles with actions and the fact that switches come in pairs, there are probably a lot of switches out there. Even with a conservative estimate that only half the players have a switch, with 5 dead players and no switch reveals, that’s about a 3% chance that all five just happened to not have a switch. And I’m guessing we have more than 28 switches out there so the chances are even lower. So you are assuming every role has a switch? I would think the number would be much smaller. Maybe all killing roles? 28 switches seems unwieldy, but given how overwhelmed the mods seem, who knows. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/520 "2017-01-20T17:09:55Z")
> [@BillMC](#): > > Glad to see you agree with each other 🙂 **Well, we do, but his answer was more complicated. I guess PIS could impact it, but to me, the color is just color.** [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425.md?page=25) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425.md?page=27)