# Mafia Reunion - Day Two **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [January 17, 2017, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425 "2017-01-17T22:20:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 29
**Author:** ![Crys75](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3da27b/32.png) [@Crys75](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crys75)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/561 "2017-01-20T21:10:08Z")
[QUOTE=NAF1138] Welcome to the game; you are The Second Deacon of the Cult of Lutha ALIGNMENT: Third Party (Non-Hostile) YOU WIN along with all members of the Cult, living or dead, if any of the (number redacted) Cultists of Lutha are alive when the game ends in any way. BACKGROUND: Some people venerate wealth or power, or chase sirens of fame or possessions. Not you. You care nothing for the bloodlust of the Werewolves, or the base greed and pinstripes of the Mafia, or even for the pleasant camaraderie of the Town. You are the Cult of Lutha, and your numbers are legion. Actually, your numbers are (redacted). You don’t know one another’s names or faces, but so long as even one of you remains alive, the principles of Lutha will triumph in the end. (Postscript: “Lutha” stands for “Leave Us the Hell Alone.” You are no threat to any side. Good luck convincing them of this). POWERS: You may investigate any player by Night to determine whether your target is a fellow Cultist. However, once you successfully find such a player, you may no longer continue to investigate. [/QUOTE] Just to clarify the situation. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/562 "2017-01-20T21:11:07Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > Is there any chance brewha hadn’t received the switch PM yet? I got my switch PM about 23 hours after my role PM. No way around it, I said something stupid while trying to fish for information on how to best use my switching abilities. Twas a dumb line to post. ---
**Author:** ![Crys75](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3da27b/32.png) [@Crys75](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crys75)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/563 "2017-01-20T21:12:00Z")
> [@brewha](#): > > You got me. Yes I lied. And what sucks is that I realized it as soon as I posted that. > > I’m 100% on the wagon that town should never lie. And if someone is caught in a lie, it’s a scum tell. > > I absolutely should not have stated that I had no evidence to the contrary - but once I posted it, I really didn’t have much for options. > > I could edit the post - but that looks scummy. > > I could have posted that yes I do have evidence to the contrary - which would have looked better had I admitted it before I was caught in a lie - but I didn’t want to do a full claim yet, and didn’t want to pull a magic bag. > > Bad play on my part - but can we go ahead and not lynch me today? Good chance that I’ll be dead by morning. Whether the vig was going to target me or not before, good chance he’ll change his mind if I thinks I’m a liar. Maybe not because I believe you. I may have put a bigger target on my back, but I’m hoping scum will allow us to test this little wifom, and also giving us a chance to move forward in the game. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/564 "2017-01-20T21:15:02Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > Is there any chance brewha hadn’t received the switch PM yet? > > Timeline: > > On D0, the mods said all of the role PMs should have gone out by 4:21 PM on the 7th. > > D1 started on the 7th. > > brewha posted what Chronos quoted on the 10th. > > In this thread, he said he got the PM “a couple of days” after the role PM. Or perhaps Brewha was just not ready to claim yet. He would not be able to produce evidence to the contrary without claiming. And he did say that he thought your assumptions were probably not correct. I can’t see a scum motivation for Brewha lying here. Or PEDIT: Maybe he just made a mistake. ☹ > [@sachertorte](#): > > Do you consider that difference significant enough to eschew the second-Lynch entirely? What about the fact that this so-called-second-day occurs without an intervening Night and scum-kill nor scum being able to kill during the second ‘day’? To me, those are pretty big advantages compared to not knowing the results of the primary day. I’m not against a second lynch, just saying that lynch-lynch-flip-flip is not nearly as good as lynch-flip-lynch-flip. Especially in a case, for instance, where we have a claim and counterclaim, we’d want to see the flip before lynching the other one. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/565 "2017-01-20T21:16:20Z")
> [@Crys75](#): > > I’m not sure that Brewha is a danger to town. I know I’m putting a huge target on my back right now, but I can possibly confirm myself and Brewha if you guys would allow me to do so. I am a non hostile 3rd party. I am able to do one investigation per night until I find another of my group. Once I find them I no longer have that power. I have no problem using my investigation to investigate Brewha. If she comes back to my 3rd party she also will have my same win condition. We ARE NOT win stealers and non hostile so we can win with any faction. I want to win with town. So hopefully we can work together. Not sure that’s going to help much. I’m going to come back as not one of your cult. From your PM, it doesn’t appear that my actual role will be revealed to you. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/566 "2017-01-20T21:19:26Z")
**sachetorte** , please forgive my earlier protests about double lynching. I’m all in for whatever it takes to knock off both **Crys** and **brewha** today. I’m particularly concerned about pleas for not lynching **brewha** today. I don’t know why he might need or want to have an extra Night, but I don’t trust it. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/567 "2017-01-20T21:21:55Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > What was the slip? Here is my reasoning, with quotes. First up, the **Captain** states that > [@Captain\_Klutz](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > Originally Posted by LightFoot View Post (196) > > Captain Klutz I thought I read somewhere that the switch owners were balanced \*but I don’t remember how many there are. > > \*there is an ‘off switcher’ and an ‘on switcher’ I think I recall. one at least has to be Scum- wouldn’t you think? > > Mod information on switches is rather limited. We have been told the following: > > > [@](#): > > > > In addition to the PMs shown at the location above, some players will receive an additional PM. In this game, certain powers will run off of switches, which are simple toggles. Each power is associated with two switches, each given to a different player. Activation or deactivation of these switches is an independent ability that can be performed at any Dawn or Dusk as a separate action that does not prevent the player from using any personal abilities. > > > [@](#): > > > > Switches may be flipped at Night only, flipping back to “on” every Night. If they affect a Day Power, the next Day will be the power affected. If they affect a Night Power, the current Night will be affected. > > (you can see both of these posts at the end of the Night 0 thread) > > In addition, there are town and scum roles that can set ALL switches either on or off. > > Everything else has been speculation. Last time the switches were held by scum and the serial killer, but this time, who knows. **I would have guessed that a town power switch would be held by each scum group.** So it takes a lot of guts to come forward and say that you hold one, and makes **brewha** look more likely town than scum > > Note that the switches are toggles. They are not switched to ON or OFF, they are just toggled. So if both switch holders do the same thing, the power is ON, if they do different things the power is OFF (subject to being overridden by the power roles) My bolding above. **Captain Klutz** has planted a breadcrumb that the opposite faction will have control over a power switch. Town over scum. Scum over town. Moving on to the next piece of evidence. > [@Captain\_Klutz](#): > > **I also have a switch. It controls a scum power.** > > I am claiming this because my switch seems to differ from **brewha’s**. Here is mine: > > > [@](#): > > > > Knock knock knock > > > > There is someone at the door. It’s a delivery man! Sign here please. Thank you. > > > > You open up your package. > > > > Inside is a box with a label. The label says [scumrole redacted] switch. What does it do? > > > > The switch is currently in the on position. You can toggle it if you like each Night. The next Night it will reset itself. Oh and there is also a note that there is another one of these out there. Huh. They may effect each other. > > > > Have fun with your gift > > Notice that mine is specified as a toggle. But brewha’s can be switched to OFF. This certainly looks to contradict the mod statement that all switches are the same and that all wording is correct. So I don’t know what to think. I checked with the mods again, and got confirmation that all switches work the same way. Bolding was **Captain’s** in this case. He starts right off by stating that his button is for a scum power. I have 2 issues with this. One is the breadcrumb he has already laid that town would hold scum and scum would hold town. I think he’s playing to that. Second, if a town person had a scum power button why would they ever say so. Think about it. The button turns off the power. Sure there’s someone else out there with another button that can turn it back on. Sure there are power roles that can futz all the buttons, but the easiest scum path forward at this moment is to kill **Captain**. No mess, no fuss. Don’t need to worry about what power it is. Have to kill all townies anyway right, if you’re scum? Why not prioritize the guy who has just announced he can ruin your plans? Unless you’re scum and you don’t need to worry about it. Maybe slip wasn’t the right word, because I did find the earlier breadcrumb when I went back and looked at earlier posting history. I stand by my belief that announcing you have a scum button is hinky as shit. **Vote Captain Klutz** ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/568 "2017-01-20T21:29:29Z")
You know, a lot happens while a person is composing a post. **Unvote Captain Klutz** **Vote Crys75** ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/569 "2017-01-20T21:31:36Z")
\*\*Crys, \*\* What result did you get back on your investigation N1? I’m not asking who you investigated, but just what your results look like. Are LUTHA/not LUTHA or are they LUTHA/TOWN/SCUM or are they LUTHA/TOWN/WOLF/MAFIA/other 3rd Party? ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/570 "2017-01-20T21:33:25Z")
> [@Crys75](#): > > I’m not sure that Brewha is a danger to town. I know I’m putting a huge target on my back right now, but I can possibly confirm myself and Brewha if you guys would allow me to do so. I am a non hostile 3rd party. I am able to do one investigation per night until I find another of my group. Once I find them I no longer have that power. I have no problem using my investigation to investigate Brewha. If she comes back to my 3rd party she also will have my same win condition. We ARE NOT win stealers and non hostile so we can win with any faction. I want to win with town. So hopefully we can work together. So let me get this straight. You are 3rd Party, you don’t know what brewha is, but you _think_ brewha is third party like you. Why would you think this? Are you going to do this for everyone that we want to Lynch? You didn’t seem concerned about lynching Colby or ToeJam or Lakai, what’s so special about brewha? Why are you so keen on us not lynching Brewha? I mean, that’s super-duper suspicious. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/571 "2017-01-20T21:37:30Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > I’m not against a second lynch, just saying that lynch-lynch-flip-flip is not nearly as good as lynch-flip-lynch-flip. Especially in a case, for instance, where we have a claim and counterclaim, we’d want to see the flip before lynching the other one. OK ---
**Author:** ![BillMC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3be4f8/32.png) [@BillMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BillMC)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/572 "2017-01-20T21:47:37Z")
> [@Crys75](#): > > Just to clarify the situation. As clear as mud If your win con is for one of the cult to survive to win - but nothing actually happens if you find another cultist? ok, so at most you can only know one out of N cultists. I don’t get why you think brewha was a cultist, and what your investigation would prove - as your posted PM suggests the only response you get is whether they were were a cultist or not. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/573 "2017-01-20T21:50:45Z")
> [@Crys75](#): > > We ARE NOT win stealers and non hostile so we can win with any faction. I want to win with town. So hopefully we can work together. I’m not of the have to lynch 3rd parties asap camp, but need a little more than to develop trust. Can you share some more about what your win condition is? ---
**Author:** ![HookerChemical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/278dde/32.png) [@HookerChemical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HookerChemical)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/574 "2017-01-20T21:53:51Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > Here is my reasoning, with quotes. First up, the **Captain** states that > > My bolding above. **Captain Klutz** has planted a breadcrumb that the opposite faction will have control over a power switch. Town over scum. Scum over town. Moving on to the next piece of evidence. > > Bolding was **Captain’s** in this case. > > He starts right off by stating that his button is for a scum power. I have 2 issues with this. One is the breadcrumb he has already laid that town would hold scum and scum would hold town. I think he’s playing to that. Second, if a town person had a scum power button why would they ever say so. > > Think about it. > > The button turns off the power. Sure there’s someone else out there with another button that can turn it back on. Sure there are power roles that can futz all the buttons, but the easiest scum path forward at this moment is to kill **Captain**. No mess, no fuss. Don’t need to worry about what power it is. Have to kill all townies anyway right, if you’re scum? Why not prioritize the guy who has just announced he can ruin your plans? > > Unless you’re scum and you don’t need to worry about it. > > Maybe slip wasn’t the right word, because I did find the earlier breadcrumb when I went back and looked at earlier posting history. I stand by my belief that announcing you have a scum button is hinky as shit. > > **Vote Captain Klutz** As I follow your argument, it isn’t so much a slip as a breadcrumb. (FWIW, was was also making the assumption that a button for Party A’s power would be held by Parties B and C based on the previous switch game. I could also see the case for a mandatory vig button being in town hands, but still think it makes more sense in scum hands.) Claiming the button made sense at the time because the wording differed and that’s an interesting wrinkle and it speaks to the brewha claim. In context, I find nothing hinky about the speculation about the button placement or the claim. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/575 "2017-01-20T21:55:38Z")
The only thing that stays the same is change. **Unvote sario** **Vote brewha** I’m fine with Crys as lynch #2 and can move my vote as needed for that. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/576 "2017-01-20T22:03:54Z")
This whole Crys and brewha thing is so weird. I actually wasn’t all that upset about brewha’s lie, but the Crys thing makes me really want brewha dead. Mainly because Crys really _doesn’t_ want brewha dead. **vote brewha** I want to be online this weekend, but I also don’t want to make promises I wind up not keeping. So I’ll see you… later? ---
**Author:** ![Crys75](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3da27b/32.png) [@Crys75](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crys75)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/577 "2017-01-20T22:49:02Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > \*\*Crys, \*\* > What result did you get back on your investigation N1? I’m not asking who you investigated, but just what your results look like. Are LUTHA/not LUTHA or are they LUTHA/TOWN/SCUM or are they LUTHA/TOWN/WOLF/MAFIA/other 3rd Party? [QUOTE=Mahaloth] Drain Bead is not part of the cult of LUTHA. [/QUOTE] that is how it looks like. Third parties aren’t always bad. I don’t see why you need to eliminate me now. You should be focusing on the scum…oh and since I flipped my switch last night a scum power may possibly might not succeed. I’m only saying this now cause whether you lynch me or not scum will take me out. [QUOTE=NAF1138] Knock knock knock There is someone at the door. It’s a delivery man! Sign here please. Thank you. You open up your package. Inside is a box with a label. The label says Bodyguard switch. What does it do? The switch is currently in the on position. You can toggle it if you like each Night. The next Night it will reset itself. Oh and there is also a note that there is another one of these out there. Huh. They may effect each other. 😃 Have fun with your gift! [/QUOTE] You towns people need to take out scum. You have terribly bad aim this time around. You should focus on scum hunting. Not killing someone that has no issue to do with your win/con. ---
**Author:** ![Crys75](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3da27b/32.png) [@Crys75](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crys75)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/578 "2017-01-20T22:51:25Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > So let me get this straight. You are 3rd Party, you don’t know what brewha is, but you _think_ brewha is third party like you. Why would you think this? > Are you going to do this for everyone that we want to Lynch? You didn’t seem concerned about lynching Colby or ToeJam or Lakai, what’s so special about brewha? > > Why are you so keen on us not lynching Brewha? I mean, that’s super-duper suspicious. Well it was a gut instinct. Sometimes they are wrong, but I tend to follow my gut in these situations. Not always wise, however my life has taught me to follow your gut. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/579 "2017-01-20T22:54:35Z")
Yay, finished my first skim of 12 pages and found these interesting events! Crys, how many luthas are there out there? 7 perhaps? ---
**Author:** ![Crys75](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3da27b/32.png) [@Crys75](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crys75)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/580 "2017-01-20T22:55:05Z")
> [@Hawkeyeop](#): > > I’m not of the have to lynch 3rd parties asap camp, but need a little more than to develop trust. Can you share some more about what your win condition is? No. I copy pasted my role pm. I cannot be anymore specific than that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425.md?page=28) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425.md?page=30)