# Mafia Reunion - Day Two **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [January 17, 2017, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425 "2017-01-17T22:20:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 30
**Author:** ![Crys75](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3da27b/32.png) [@Crys75](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crys75)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/581 "2017-01-20T22:56:35Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > Yay, finished my first skim of 12 pages and found these interesting events! > > Crys, how many luthas are there out there? 7 perhaps? Now that I can tell you. There are only 5. I didn’t want to do it before, but I will now to show that I am willing to share information. I’m not lying and you will find that out more likely than sooner or later. ---
**Author:** ![Crys75](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3da27b/32.png) [@Crys75](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crys75)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/582 "2017-01-20T23:02:47Z")
I’m not going to sit here and sulk and fight for my skin. I’m going to place my vote now \*\*Captain Klutz. \*\* [/QUOTE] His wording on his pm was significantly different than mine for the switch. I flipped the bodyguard switch last night so if the other switch wasn’t thrown I could have just very well saved someone’s behind at the end of day today. If that isn’t trying to protect towns interest idk what is. ---
**Author:** ![Crys75](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3da27b/32.png) [@Crys75](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crys75)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/583 "2017-01-20T23:04:08Z")
NETA: proper formatting for my vote \*\*Vote Captain Klutz \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/584 "2017-01-20T23:07:09Z")
> [@Crys75](#): > > Just to clarify the situation. Certainly looks win stealing to me. It doesn’t say you win with town, so \*\*vote crys \*\* We should also Lynch **brewha** toDay. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/585 "2017-01-20T23:34:10Z")
Ok, so Brewha is a lying liar, but not 3rd party (assuming THAT isnt also a lie), but does that mean he is instantly scum? No. Though trust is thin, he did fess up about his lie when called out. I’m gonna put a stankeye on him for now. Now crys, I 99% believe she is telling the truth since she provided a pm from a role that isn’t common knowledge. Her role claims “non hostile”, whatever that really means. We need to kill scumbos, which she almost certainly isn’t. But how can we trust her to always vote in town’s best interest? ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/586 "2017-01-20T23:34:55Z")
> [@Moderators](#): > > POWERS: > You are a vigilante. Each night you kill someone. That’s it. Pick someone you think is anti town and kill them. You have the power and the training, oh and you have the drive too. You don’t get to not kill someone, and you aren’t suicidal so you can’t kill yourself. Make Daddy proud. **What exactly happens in Batman does not pick a target?** ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/587 "2017-01-20T23:37:37Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > Third parties that benefit Town? I know Survivor would be able to stand with either side, an I am sure there are a few more that I am unaware of…but what 3P are you thinking of? Lutha? ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/588 "2017-01-20T23:37:48Z")
> [@Crys75](#): > > Just to clarify the situation. Two masonic groups? One with knowledge about the other members and the other without? Not buying it. **Unvote Vote Crys75** ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/589 "2017-01-20T23:39:14Z")
> [@Lakai](#): > > Well, this is awkward. Hello town! Nothing like being strung up from a tree to end your first day in town. No need to apologize or anything. I’ll be fine. I promise. > > Both Colby and Lakai (Part I) were town, but a lot of people thought their behavior was pretty scummy. Can we gain anything from looking at the people voting for them? Were the votes driven by scum looking to lynch a town person, or did scum just sit by while the town gathered a bandwagon around their own people? > > I mean I was essentially lynched for voting for Colby and then for not doing such a good job defending that vote. But I was town voting for Colby. Wow, you’re really making up for D1 here. Super double poke-FOS Lakai ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/590 "2017-01-20T23:42:31Z")
> [@Hockey\_Monkey](#): > > Certainly looks win stealing to me. It doesn’t say you win with town, so > > \*\*vote crys \*\* > > We should also Lynch **brewha** toDay. Just remembered that there is a resolution order to wins, but I can’t go look it up now. I’m at the Canes/Penguins game, (I’m a hockey monkey after all). Vote stands regardless at this time. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/591 "2017-01-20T23:43:34Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > **What exactly happens in Batman does not pick a target?** It’s like asking what if the sun doesn’t rise in the morning. It’s hard to wrap my head around. We pick one for him, I suppose. Probably someone he loves. And maybe his dog too. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/592 "2017-01-20T23:45:58Z")
> [@DiggitCamara](#): > > Two masonic groups? One with knowledge about the other members and the other without? > > Not buying it. > > **Unvote > Vote Crys75** I’m not criticizing your vote, because I might join you, but your reasoning seems…weird. you think she fabricated that entire pm that she posted? I’m not saying it’s impossible, but just not very likely. ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/593 "2017-01-20T23:46:19Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > It’s like asking what if the sun doesn’t rise in the morning. It’s hard to wrap my head around. > We pick one for him, I suppose. Probably someone he loves. And maybe his dog too. :eek: You ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/594 "2017-01-20T23:47:25Z")
That “you” is extraneous. ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/595 "2017-01-20T23:56:26Z")
**Unvote Idle** **Vote Crys** I’m still suspicious of Idle, but I don’t buy what Crys is saying and I think third parties are dangerous whether they’re win stealing or not. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/596 "2017-01-21T00:01:07Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > I’m not criticizing your vote, because I might join you, but your reasoning seems…weird. you think she fabricated that entire pm that she posted? I’m not saying it’s impossible, but just not very likely. Redacted, maybe. But I simply cannot see two masonic groups like these, both being on the town side. And we KNOW there is a legitimately townie masonic group out there. One of the pointers to said redaction is that we have [the win conditions](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19895637&postcount=2) which explicitly state (bleached): > [@storyteller](#): > > Win Conditions > Win conditions will be checked in the following order every Dawn and every Dusk: > Town Wins! if all 14 Scum players are dead. > Mafia Wins! if the total number of living Mafia is greater than or equal to 50% of the total population AND greater than the number of living Wolves. > Wolves Win! if the total number of living Wolves is greater than or equal to 50% of the total population AND greater than the number of living Mafia. > Third party win conditions are checked after checking all three of the above. Thus, a Town win supersedes an exclusive third party win even if both occur simultaneously. Crys tells us her win conditions are > [@Crys](#): > > YOU WIN along with all members of the Cult, living or dead, if any of the (number redacted) Cultists of Lutha are alive when the game ends in any way. one of the two must be wrong. And I am betting there was a modification in the latter one. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/597 "2017-01-21T00:01:09Z")
Wow. OK. Wow. So the cult of Lutha sounds like a group of survivors, with limited investigations thrown in? (Actually the investigation is only for looking for other cultists.) I am not sure what advantage knowing who another member of the cult actually has, though. To create some sort of ad hoc mason group? I am going to **Unvote ToeJam** Only because it looks like it will be probably be mod-handled. But i need to digest and probably research the 3P role that ahs been revealed. Don’t cultists usually recruit? ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/598 "2017-01-21T00:04:01Z")
> [@DiggitCamara](#): > > Redacted, maybe. But I simply cannot see two masonic groups like these, both being on the town side. And we KNOW there is a legitimately townie masonic group out there. > > One of the pointers to said redaction is that we have [the win conditions](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19895637&postcount=2) which explicitly state (bleached): > > Crys tells us her win conditions are > one of the two must be wrong. And I am betting there was a modification in the latter one. That doesn’t seem contradictory to me. Maybe I am missing something, but a survivor would win with whoever wins, as long as they are alive when the game ends. this is a (supposedly) a group of survivor-types, who all win as lon as one of them survives. The win condition for the group, in other words, is keep at least one member alive to end game, whether end game is Town outnumbering scum, or scum outnumbering Town and other scum. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/599 "2017-01-21T00:05:34Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > And for those who want to see the unvotes. It’s tough to read, did you find anything? Any suspicious key moments? Trends? > [@Zeriel](#): > > Hmm. Part of the “two scum teams” consideration for me is the idea that people will be able to be significantly less visible with conventional scum tells and PIS–a wolf after all can freely hunt mafia as though they’re town without ever cluttering up the voting record, which has some impact for those of us who primarily (more so on later days) hunt in the voting patterns. Have you attempted to make sense of D1 yet? > [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > I really think his vote timing on septimus was such that he realized he was voting for a Town power role when he did it, because it came an hour and a half after septimus mentioned that he wouldn’t be around at EoD and would need to claim early if still a lynch leader. Seems like something Scum would try to take advantage of. I think it gets discussed later but cannot find it now, why would Klutz assume it was a town power, and not a false claiming scum or third party? > [@Biotop](#): > > **Chronos** , you posted this long analysis only 39 minutes after the results of Night 1 came out. That’s pretty swift to say you don’t think \*\*Suburban Plankton \*\*gave any indication of his role. Did you really have time to reread all 62 of his posts or were you just going from memory? Was this a smudge or awe? > [@Zeriel](#): > > I’m going to carry over my vote from Day One. Chewing through what I think the votes and vote timings mean is going to take a while. Was this about not reading the rules? > [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > It’s a one vote game. Unless you’ve got a role to claim, I don’t need to come up with further suspicions. Choice wording. > [@Enderw24](#): > > Pleonast, while I’m not saying Thing Fish couldn’t be scum, I’ll admit that early in Day 1, I too made the assumption that the other factions have boards to discuss strategy. I don’t recall if anyone specifically called me out on it, though. I realized afterwards that the rules do not specifically state that to be the case. But it seemed like a natural assumption to make given my experience that every other game I’ve played in allows scum to participate off-site and I can’t fault others for leaping to the same conclusion. If your experience has been different, I can understand your suspicion. Looks like you’re confusing known knowns and unknown knowns here. > [@sachertorte](#): > > Huh. That’s interesting. I thought it was pretty much a given that we need to utilize the second Lynch. +1 This, but not herding cats which can give people an easy out, plausible deniability? If a double lynch comes along naturally, I don’t think we should limit or restrict it, the public record is there. > [@Hoopy\_Frood](#): > > Why? For example, Idle always claims Day 1. He does so as scum, third party, or town. His typical behavior if he’s a power role town is to claim it. Otherwise, he claims vanilla town. Probably flogging a dead horse but this is sufficiently different. Idle (used to/usually) asks Town to ignore his claim, leaves the wifom for scum. He always does it. It’s neither anti-game nor does it hurt town. > [@HookerChemical](#): > > As one of the scum who was seen as snuggling Colby D1, I want to point out that scum didn’t learn who the other scum were until N1. Any scum-scum snuggles were scum snuggling the unknown and the hand-waves didn’t realize they were dismissing cases on fellow scum. (Had I known he was scum, I would have been happy to bus him.) More dead horses but this puts Bufftabby and Prof.P’s posts into a whole different light, what an omission!!! > [@bufftabby](#): > > I was in Dante’s most recent game on GB, The Thing, and so was **Bill** as Town and **Colby** as scum. (I was Town also.) There was some strong initial D1 snuggling of **Colby** by his fellow scum-mates, trying to handwave away his apparent scumminess with “Oh, he always comes across that way”. Colby starts to gain votes for scumminess, he gets testy about it, then clams up. Things continue to not look great for **Colby** , some wacky hijinx ensue, a Town Night power finally gets around to killing him, and BAM! scum. > > I don’t disagree that **Colby** ’s play was similar this game, but I’m also not particularly of the opinion that his crankiness in Dante’s game was related to being scum as much as it was to ‘This D1 crap again? AARGH.’ > [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > I was also in the game, and agree with bufftabby’s view of Colby’s reactions. As I was reading I did about six 180s regarding the Chronos/brewha plan. It’s moot now, but was fun to read… I am curious if power roles are informed that their power is switched off, if they were blocked, or simply hear nothing - probably nothing. > [@DiggitCamara](#): > > By the way, these quotes (most of which I spoilered to not clutter the thread) confirm my notion that **snfaulkner** is up to no good. Most of his participation has been either fluff or cozying up to other players ( **Chronos** , for instance). To me, this kind of behavior is a clear marker for scummi(sp?)hood Yes, the 8 hours per day does not add up. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/600 "2017-01-21T00:06:34Z")
> [@DiggitCamara](#): > > Redacted, maybe. But I simply cannot see two masonic groups like these, both being on the town side. And we KNOW there is a legitimately townie masonic group out there. > > One of the pointers to said redaction is that we have [the win conditions](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19895637&postcount=2) which explicitly state (bleached): > Crys tells us her win conditions are > one of the two must be wrong. And I am betting there was a modification in the latter one. Ah, ok. I see what you are saying now. Although I’m not entirely sure I agree. Thanks for the clarification. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425.md?page=29) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425.md?page=31)