# Mafia Reunion - Day Two **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [January 17, 2017, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425 "2017-01-17T22:20:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 31
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/601 "2017-01-21T00:16:00Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > … I am curious if power roles are informed that their power is switched off, if they were blocked, or simply hear nothing - probably nothing. Last game with switches we heard nothing. > [@](#): > > Yes, the 8 hours per day does not add up. Huh? ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Klutz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captain_klutz/32/4993_2.png) [@Captain\_Klutz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Klutz)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/602 "2017-01-21T00:16:02Z")
> [@Crys75](#): > > I’m not going to sit here and sulk and fight for my skin. I’m going to place my vote now > > Captain Klutz. > > His wording on his pm was significantly different than mine for the switch. > > I flipped the bodyguard switch last night so if the other switch wasn’t thrown I could have just very well saved someone’s behind at the end of day today. If that isn’t trying to protect towns interest idk what is. Ummm, the wording on our switch PMs is identical, except for the power (or maybe it’s the same power. I’m not going to reveal what switch I have). ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/603 "2017-01-21T00:26:52Z")
> [@Crys75](#): > > I’m not going to sit here and sulk and fight for my skin. I’m going to place my vote now > > \*\*Captain Klutz. \*\* His wording on his pm was significantly different than mine for the switch. I flipped the bodyguard switch last night so if the other switch wasn’t thrown I could have just very well saved someone’s behind at the end of day today. If that isn’t trying to protect towns interest idk what is. [/QUOTE] Wait, what’s the difference? ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Klutz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captain_klutz/32/4993_2.png) [@Captain\_Klutz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Klutz)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/604 "2017-01-21T00:27:50Z")
> [@DiggitCamara](#): > > Redacted, maybe. But I simply cannot see two masonic groups like these, both being on the town side. And we KNOW there is a legitimately townie masonic group out there. > > One of the pointers to said redaction is that we have [the win conditions](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19895637&postcount=2) which explicitly state (bleached): > > > [@](#): > > > > Win Conditions > > Win conditions will be checked in the following order every Dawn and every Dusk: > > Town Wins! if all 14 Scum players are dead. > > Mafia Wins! if the total number of living Mafia is greater than or equal to 50% of the total population AND greater than the number of living Wolves. > > Wolves Win! if the total number of living Wolves is greater than or equal to 50% of the total population AND greater than the number of living Mafia. > > Third party win conditions are checked after checking all three of the above. Thus, a Town win supersedes an exclusive third party win even if both occur simultaneously. > > Crys tells us her win conditions are > > > [@](#): > > > > Originally Posted by Crys > > YOU WIN along with all members of the Cult, living or dead, if any of the (number redacted) Cultists of Lutha are alive when the game ends in any way. > > one of the two must be wrong. And I am betting there was a modification in the latter one. I’m not seeing the contradiction here. If town wins, or mafia wins, or wolves win, then the game ends. If a malicious third party wins then the game ends. If any of the cultists are still alive when the game ends then they win. Is it because it does not specifically state that they share the win? ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/605 "2017-01-21T00:31:23Z")
> [@DiggitCamara](#): > > Redacted, maybe. But I simply cannot see two masonic groups like these, both being on the town side. And we KNOW there is a legitimately townie masonic group out there. > > One of the pointers to said redaction is that we have [the win conditions](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19895637&postcount=2) which explicitly state (bleached): > > > [@](#): > > > > Originally Posted by storyteller > > Win Conditions > > Win conditions will be checked in the following order every Dawn and every Dusk: > > Town Wins! if all 14 Scum players are dead. > > Mafia Wins! if the total number of living Mafia is greater than or equal to 50% of the total population AND greater than the number of living Wolves. > > Wolves Win! if the total number of living Wolves is greater than or equal to 50% of the total population AND greater than the number of living Mafia. > > Third party win conditions are checked after checking all three of the above. Thus, a Town win supersedes an **exclusive third party** win even if both occur simultaneously. > > Crys tells us her win conditions are > > > [@](#): > > > > Originally Posted by Crys > > YOU WIN along with all members of the Cult, living or dead, if any of the (number redacted) Cultists of Lutha are alive when the game ends in any way. > > one of the two must be wrong. And I am betting there was a modification in the latter one. The key word there is exclusive. Crys is claiming a non-exclusive wincon. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/606 "2017-01-21T00:34:31Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > That doesn’t seem contradictory to me. Maybe I am missing something, but a survivor would win with whoever wins, as long as they are alive when the game ends. this is a (supposedly) a group of survivor-types, who all win as lon as one of them survives. The win condition for the group, in other words, is keep at least one member alive to end game, whether end game is Town outnumbering scum, or scum outnumbering Town and other scum. You may be right. However, that makes them, at best, a neutral group. And by her own admission, a neutral group with a switch in her hands. That switch gives her an (additional?) power… and we don’t know whether the other cult members have other powers which could come to bite us in the ass. One possibility that comes to mind and which would modify our behavior towards them is that they have all the power to search for their fellow cultists and, once they have found them, they gain some additional power to forward their individual win condition. Unlike the other roles, the third party’s powers and win conditions are unknown. I think it’s in our best interest to get them out of the way. YMMV ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/607 "2017-01-21T00:35:40Z")
Crys, why did you offer to investigate brewha and not Cap’n K? Or OR, why did you vote Cap’n K, and not brewha? ---
**Author:** ![HookerChemical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/278dde/32.png) [@HookerChemical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HookerChemical)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/608 "2017-01-21T00:40:46Z")
> [@DiggitCamara](#): > > Two masonic groups? One with knowledge about the other members and the other without? > > Not buying it. > > **Unvote > Vote Crys75** > [@raventhief](#): > > His wording on his pm was significantly different than mine for the switch. > > I flipped the bodyguard switch last night so if the other switch wasn’t thrown I could have just very well saved someone’s behind at the end of day today. If that isn’t trying to protect towns interest idk what is. Wait, what’s the difference? [/QUOTE] Butchered quote here, but Captain and Cys had similar wording. Brewha didn’t. Unless Captain is seeing a difference I didn’t catch. ---
**Author:** ![HookerChemical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/278dde/32.png) [@HookerChemical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HookerChemical)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/609 "2017-01-21T00:41:48Z")
> [@HookerChemical](#): > > Butchered quote here, but Captain and Cys had similar wording. Brewha didn’t. Unless Captain is seeing a difference I didn’t catch. And the butchered quote leads to more butchered quotes. It’s turtles all the way down. 5…4…3…2…1…post ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/610 "2017-01-21T00:46:15Z")
Okay, so if the neutral cult wants to be pro town, the neutral cult can be pro town. How many of you guys are there? That would put you a bit closer to Masons, and more info can only help us out. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/611 "2017-01-21T00:47:06Z")
> [@HookerChemical](#): > > And the butchered quote leads to more butchered quotes. It’s turtles all the way down. > 5…4…3…2…1…post Yeah my quote was butchered all to hell. I thought about editing and then decided…naw. People can (hopefull) figure out that I was questioning Crys about the fact her pm and Captain’s looked identical. It was brewha’s that (to me) looked out of place. So, Crys…? ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/612 "2017-01-21T00:48:38Z")
Crys, since you only seem to get LUTHA/non-LUTHA results, I’m not really buying your claim to be able to sort out Brewha. You said something about it being just gut or intuition or something. Do you think Brewha is part of your cult? ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/613 "2017-01-21T00:51:12Z")
What would be the point of finding other cult members? ---
**Author:** ![HookerChemical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/278dde/32.png) [@HookerChemical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HookerChemical)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/614 "2017-01-21T00:51:22Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > Yeah my quote was butchered all to hell. I thought about editing and then decided…naw. People can (hopefull) figure out that I was questioning Crys about the fact her pm and Captain’s looked identical. It was brewha’s that (to me) looked out of place. So, Crys…? I figured it out, but for a moment I thought you were claiming you had a switch. ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/615 "2017-01-21T00:51:41Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Okay, so if the neutral cult wants to be pro town, the neutral cult can be pro town. How many of you guys are there? That would put you a bit closer to Masons, and more info can only help us out. A neutral cult is only pro-town when it suits them to be. If the Mafia is winning then they hang their hats with the Mafia. If the wolves are winning then they hang their hats with the wolves. ---
**Author:** ![HookerChemical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/278dde/32.png) [@HookerChemical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HookerChemical)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/616 "2017-01-21T00:52:23Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > What would be the point of finding other cult members? Not lynching them. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/617 "2017-01-21T00:52:43Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > What would be the point of finding other cult members? So you know who not to lynch. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/618 "2017-01-21T00:54:06Z")
> [@HookerChemical](#): > > Not lynching them. > [@snfaulkner](#): > > So you know nor to lynch them. Well that makes perfect sense. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/619 "2017-01-21T00:55:18Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > More dead horses but this puts Bufftabby and Prof.P’s posts into a whole different light, what an omission!!! You’re surprised that two Town members from that game didn’t recall that scum didn’t know each other D1, but one of the scum members did recall that? ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/620 "2017-01-21T00:55:29Z")
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