# Mafia Reunion - Day Two **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [January 17, 2017, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425 "2017-01-17T22:20:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 33
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/641 "2017-01-21T02:12:07Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > Well, OK it doesn’t really look like a cultist message. But the real question is why I would vote for a suspected cultist when I’m not voting for a claimed cultist. 🆒 I was waiting for Crys to get back and explain her intuition. But why wait? > > **unvote: SNF > vote: Crys** In the same vein, while I try and determine if brewha is scummy scumbalina or just a towny that pulled a boner, I should \*\*unvote diggitcamara \*\* \*\*vote crys75 \*\* For being a claimed cult weirdo. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/642 "2017-01-21T02:21:20Z")
\*\* Crys \*\* was under no pressure- so why claim? and if claiming ( again why?) no reason to lie. ? an intricate plot to gain Town cred early in an effort to stay alive? alert other cultists? the timing is whackoo for a threat to Town to gamble on-- isn’t it? I may be lost here- anyone want to show me the error of my thoughts? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/643 "2017-01-21T02:33:33Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > A neutral cult is only pro-town when it suits them to be. If the Mafia is winning then they hang their hats with the Mafia. If the wolves are winning then they hang their hats with the wolves. That’s the point I’m making. Outing yourself as a third party and saying, “well, I’m friendly!” doesn’t mean anything unless you actually help. That means giving us information that we can either confirm or deny later. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/644 "2017-01-21T02:33:37Z")
> [@brewha](#): > > Your guess is at least partially wrong. I’ve got to believe that any information is good information and realize that I’ll likely be putting a target on my back by either town that don’t believe me or by either of the scum factions that think I’m a viable target. > I got my first PM saying that I am just a plain vanilla townie. Then, a couple of days later, got a PM saying that I had the Batman switch and that there was one more just like it. > > It seems to me that a great deal of effort was put into the switch mechanics of this game and we’ll have a better shot of winning if we figure out how to use it. > > I didn’t want to ellude to a Magic Bag - so I’ll come out and completely claim. I’m a vanilla townie with a switch to a pro town role. What do I do with it? > [@brewha](#): > > If that’s the case, I’m the off switcher. My PM states that each night the switch is turned on. I can either turn it off or leave it alone. > > If it’s a balanced system, I gotta believe there’s a scum on switcher. > > Then again, how would that work? If the default is on, and they decide to switch it on, what would happen? > > My PM specifically says that I can turn it off - it doesn’t say that I can toggle it to the other position. > [@brewha](#): > > I don’t see any sense in paraphrasing. Here’s my Switch PM - word for word: > > The switch PM came almost a day after my role PM. > > I gotta wonder how much the other switch is like mine. Is it an on to off only switch? Or is it an off to on switch? > > Not only is my PM not consistent with what Storyteller posted, it is also inconsistent with my Role PM which specifically stated that I had no other powers. I guess the switch PM after the role pm superseded this statement? > [@Captain\_Klutz](#): > > **I also have a switch. It controls a scum power.** > > I am claiming this because my switch seems to differ from **brewha’s**. Here is mine: > > Notice that mine is specified as a toggle. But brewha’s can be switched to OFF. This certainly looks to contradict the mod statement that all switches are the same and that all wording is correct. So I don’t know what to think. I checked with the mods again, and got confirmation that all switches work the same way. > [@Crys75](#): > > Ok sorry for my inability to articulate my thoughts last night. I just think its weird that if you were going to redact something you would redact the role completely and not insert that its a scum power. Mainly because if I were scum and I saw this that person had a switch to control one of our powers I would take that person out first. In my eyes doing that puts a giant target on your back. The only reason I can see someone doing this is because they have nothing to worry about. Just that you had the switch because at this point it would give scum lots of targets to choose from, and I realize i probably have a target on my back also at this point. I am hesitant to disclose what power i have a switch for only because I don’t want to help scum suss out the switch powers any more than we already have. I know it potentially hides information from town, and this is bad, but I think losing too many switch holders is also bad. however as you can see my role pm is pretty much verbatim for what brewha has disclosed. > > However at least one of the other pm’s was quite a bit different wording but the meaning was the same. I however don’t have the same switch as what Brewha posted. > [@Crys75](#): > > Just to clarify the situation. > [@Koldanar](#): > > Also, on mobile…can anyone bring together all three switch claims in one post? That was a PITA. I tried to get them in order, but they may not be. ---
**Author:** ![Koldanar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@Koldanar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koldanar)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/645 "2017-01-21T02:38:26Z")
Thanks. Unfirtunately clicking the post link triggers that damn java script on mobile. My reason was to review **Hookers** post. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/646 "2017-01-21T02:45:31Z")
Here is an oddity I noticed in trying to pull that together. Originally, brewha says the switch came in a “couple of days later” after the role pm. Then later he (?) says “almost a day later.” Now, I am more temporally challenged than probably most of the posters here, but coupled with the earlier lie… and added to the fact that brewha’s pm is substantially different than the other two… **Vote brewha.** ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/647 "2017-01-21T02:46:34Z")
NETA I would still like to hear from Crys, though. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/648 "2017-01-21T02:49:05Z")
I have the feeling a double lynch will be no problem this Evening. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/649 "2017-01-21T02:55:09Z")
And the plot thickens! I am provisionally willing to trust **Crys75** at this point. But it occurs to me: She says that only one of them has to survive for them all to win. If one of them dies, and that one comes up as “3rd party (non-hostile)”, then we’d effectively have another four-person semi-masonry of, if not Town, at least guaranteed non-Scum (which is almost as good). And they’d be low-enough priority targets for the Scum that the Scum would probably leave at least one alive, too, since they’d almost always have better targets available. So it might even be to the Cult’s advantage for one of their number to die, so we can (maybe) confirm that they’re benign. Mods: If a third party dies, will the death flip tell us whether their win condition is consistent with Town’s (i.e., if they’re hostile or not)? > [@](#): > > [Quoth **Crys**](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19936532&postcount=582): > > I flipped the bodyguard switch last night so if the other switch wasn’t thrown I could have just very well saved someone’s behind at the end of day today. If that isn’t trying to protect towns interest idk what is. You have no idea whether that was in Town’s interest or not. If the other Bodyguard-switcher didn’t flip their switch, then you turned the Bodyguard off. If the other Bodyguard-switcher did flip their switch, then you turned the Bodyguard on. But either way, it wouldn’t have saved someone’s behind, because the only person the Bodyguard can kill is himself (in the process of saving his target). > [@](#): > > [Quoth **Hockey Monkey**](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19936544&postcount=584): > > Certainly looks win stealing to me. It doesn’t say you win with town, so > … It says that they’re no threat to anyone else, and the win condition stated for them cannot be a win-stealing win condition, given the rules of this game. And to anyone stating that **Crys** needs to share all the information she has if she wants to be trusted, it looks to me like she has: She’s said what switch she has and what she did with it, she posted her PM except for the number being edited out, she came back and said the number a few posts later, she said who she investigated on the one investigation she had a chance to make, and she said the result of that investigation. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/650 "2017-01-21T02:56:07Z")
Man, I miss Giraffe’s robot. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/651 "2017-01-21T02:58:07Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > And the plot thickens! > > I am provisionally willing to trust **Crys75** at this point. But it occurs to me: She says that only one of them has to survive for them all to win. If one of them dies, and that one comes up as “3rd party (non-hostile)”, then we’d effectively have another four-person semi-masonry of, if not Town, at least guaranteed non-Scum (which is almost as good). And they’d be low-enough priority targets for the Scum that the Scum would probably leave at least one alive, too, since they’d almost always have better targets available. So it might even be to the Cult’s advantage for one of their number to die, so we can (maybe) confirm that they’re benign. > > Mods: If a third party dies, will the death flip tell us whether their win condition is consistent with Town’s (i.e., if they’re hostile or not)? > You have no idea whether that was in Town’s interest or not. If the other Bodyguard-switcher didn’t flip their switch, then you turned the Bodyguard off. If the other Bodyguard-switcher did flip their switch, then you turned the Bodyguard on. But either way, it wouldn’t have saved someone’s behind, because the only person the Bodyguard can kill is himself (in the process of saving his target). > > It says that they’re no threat to anyone else, and the win condition stated for them cannot be a win-stealing win condition, given the rules of this game. > > And to anyone stating that **Crys** needs to share all the information she has if she wants to be trusted, it looks to me like she has: She’s said what switch she has and what she did with it, she posted her PM except for the number being edited out, she came back and said the number a few posts later, she said who she investigated on the one investigation she had a chance to make, and she said the result of that investigation. Chronos, what I want is her explanation for her support of brewha, and vote for Captain. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/652 "2017-01-21T02:58:30Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Mods: If a third party dies, will the death flip tell us whether their win condition is consistent with Town’s (i.e., if they’re hostile or not)? Oh, exciting questions! I’m not sure. Let’s find out? (edit for the slow: I’m actually totally sure, but I don’t have a good YouTube clip handy) ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/653 "2017-01-21T02:59:55Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Oh, exciting questions! I’m not sure. Let’s find out? Ooh that is exciting, if the mod doesn’t know. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/654 "2017-01-21T03:02:46Z")
😉 Darn, and I was looking forward to another YouTube clip. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/655 "2017-01-21T03:03:11Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > Man, I miss Giraffe’s robot. I believe it works here. I just don’t know how to use it. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/656 "2017-01-21T03:05:02Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > 😉 Darn, and I was looking forward to another YouTube clip. You guys are gonna miss me while I’m on vacation. Which starts tomorrow. Feel free to copy me on PMs but don’t pm me anything urgent if you aren’t also gonna copy the others. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/657 "2017-01-21T03:06:32Z")
I just tried it, and it seems like it will do one page at a time. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/658 "2017-01-21T03:07:38Z")
NETA actually no. It’s weird. Im not sure whats going on. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/659 "2017-01-21T03:08:46Z")
200 posts parsed, 26 voting actions found.[spoiler] Cut and paste this into your thread to create a nice pretty vote count: [QUOTE=Vote Counting Robot] **Billmc** (2): Drain Bead (132), TexCat (179) **Angelofthenorth** (2): Zeriel (60), Boozahol Squid, P.I. (80) **Toejam** (2): Idle Thoughts (32), Sunny Daze (34) **Thing Fish** (1): Pleonast (121) **Chronos** (1): Nanook of the North Shore (151) **Toejam.** (1): raventhief (31) **Idle Thoughts** (1): AngeloftheNorth (44) **Sario** (1): Prof. Pepperwinkle (46) **Captain Klutz** (0): [del]Drain Bead (45)[132][/del] [/QUOTE] [/spoiler] this is what I got-- so not so much ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/660 "2017-01-21T03:09:06Z")
I think we established that **Giraffe** ’s robot wouldn’t work due to needing some custom board settings, but that **septimus** ’ (which might be only a slight modification of it?) does. And incidentally, I’m going to want to ask **septimus** for a copy of that, after this game. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425.md?page=32) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425.md?page=34)