# Mafia Reunion - Day Two **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [January 17, 2017, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425 "2017-01-17T22:20:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 34
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/661 "2017-01-21T03:11:32Z")
It looks like it parses the first 200 posts. I believe Giraffe said he changed something in the page/thread settings to allow as much as was actually needed. the default setting of the script is whatever the default thread length was. Or some shit. I’m not sure. ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/662 "2017-01-21T03:31:50Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > I don’t. I said it seems like we don’t get switch information because we have 5 dead players and no notice about switches. While it is possible that none of the 5 had a switch, it is unlikely. Given the number of roles with actions and the fact that switches come in pairs, there are probably a lot of switches out there. Even with a conservative estimate that only half the players have a switch, with 5 dead players and no switch reveals, that’s about a 3% chance that all five just happened to not have a switch. And I’m guessing we have more than 28 switches out there so the chances are even lower. Whoa… that’s is ALOT more switches than I think are in play… Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/663 "2017-01-21T03:41:03Z")
I"m seriously looking askance at all of those so eager to lynch Crys toDay. You know who loves to see 3rd parties lynched? Scum! You know why? Because third parties typically count as town for scum win conditions. And this game is no different. Scum have to have numbers 50% or greater than the population on the whole and greater than the total number remaining of the other scum team. Every lynch of a third party counts as a mislynch as far as the numbers are concerned. I would think in a game with this many veterans there’d be more people pointing this fact out. While scum prefer to take out power roles, at the end of the Day cycle, a successful kill furthers their goal regardless of the faction killed (assuming it’s not one of them of course). But third parties, particularly hostile ones are an issue. So if they can get town to lynch them, they save themselves from being lynched and have one less non-scum that might take their win away. (Since town only wins by eliminating scum. Third parties win in other ways.) So let’s do the scum job for them. Great idea! Even though scum lose nothing but a chance at hitting town power roles and/or confirmed town by taking out a third party. They don’t bring themselves directly closer to a loss. Unlike town. Who every time they lynch someone other than scum bring themselves one step closer to losing. Let’s recap, shall we? > [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > **sachetorte** , please forgive my earlier protests about double lynching. I’m all in for whatever it takes to knock off both **Crys** and **brewha** today. > > I’m particularly concerned about pleas for not lynching **brewha** today. I don’t know why he might need or want to have an extra Night, but I don’t trust it. “Hi. I’m suspect of everyone, but I’m not going to vote. Even though I haven’t been all that active this game so far. So I can smudge two people without even committing to any real risk. And yesterDay my vote was basically a safe one-off. And now I suggest we all vote for two people, one of which I haven’t exactly explained what I find scummy, and one who seems not much of a threat on Day 2.” > [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > You know, a lot happens while a person is composing a post. > > **Unvote Captain Klutz]** > **[COLOR=“Blue”]Vote Crys75** “Hi. I’m putting this vote out here. For reasons.” > [@Hockey\_Monkey](#): > > Certainly looks win stealing to me. It doesn’t say you win with town, so > > **[COLOR=“Blue”]vote crys** > > We should also Lynch **brewha** toDay. “Hi. I’m not actually reading the post of your role that clearly indicated that you and your cultists win if the game ends in “any way” and at least one of you are alive. I’m just going to jump on a not very well-thought out wagon and claim a bullshit reason for doing so. You know, if I actually thought you were lying about it, I might have a valid case here. But nothing in my post idicates this.” > [@DiggitCamara](#): > > Two masonic groups? One with knowledge about the other members and the other without? > > Not buying it. > > **[COLOR=“Red”]Unvote > [COLOR=“Blue”]Vote Crys75** “Hi. I’ve apparently never seen or been involved in games with third party cult/cabal types even though I’m far from a newbie at this whole mafia thing.” > [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > **[Color=Red]Unvote Idle** > > **[Color=Blue]Vote Crys** > > I’m still suspicious of Idle, but I don’t buy what Crys is saying and I think third parties are dangerous whether they’re win stealing or not. “Hi. I believe that we should do scum’s job for them. Third parties with unforced claims that indicate no killing/blocking ability should be instantly lynched on the 2nd day of an almost 50-person game.” > [@TexCat](#): > > Well, OK it doesn’t really look like a cultist message. But the real question is why I would vote for a suspected cultist when I’m not voting for a claimed cultist. 🆒 I was waiting for Crys to get back and explain her intuition. But why wait? > > **[COLOR=“Red”]unvote: SNF > [COLOR=“Blue”]vote: Crys** “Hi. Where do I get a ticket for the lazy train!” > [@Captain\_Klutz](#): > > I wasn’t too upset by **brewha’s** lie, but I am very curious about **Crys75’s** strong desire to keep him alive. > > Crys’s claimed role looks a bit odd. If the idea is that they find each other and can then work together, it seems a rather nasty limitation to only be able to find one fellow member. > > I would prefer a Crys lynch over brewha. If scum do hold the other Batman switch then they will want him dead anyway, so no need to do their work for them (unless brewha was lying about that too). > > I have doubts about Crys’s claim, the necessity for the claim and the strong desire to keep brewha alive. > **[COLOR=“Blue”]Vote Crys75** You know what? Out of all the votes so far, this one actually seems to be trying to make a real case. I disagree with it, but I won’t subject you to snark, because your post seem to take more than 30 seconds to compose. > [@snfaulkner](#): > > In the same vein, while I try and determine if brewha is scummy scumbalina or just a towny that pulled a boner, I should > > \*\*unvote diggitcamara \*\* > [Color=“blue”]\*\*vote crys75 \*\* > > For being a claimed cult weirdo. “Hey, is there room for one more in your lazy train cabin?” So there you have it. A bunch of people deciding to do scum’s job for them by piling on an easy lynch that has no real indication that it is any danger to Town at this point. Of course, if you are scum, and I’m pretty sure at least one of you is, you’re doing exactly what you should. Get town to lynch someone that isn’t part of your team. One of you on this train is getting my vote. **[color=red]unvote jsgoddess** But who? You all deserve it. However, Klutz deserves it the least, since he seems to have actually put some thought into it. As far as to who deserves it the most, it’s a tossup between boozy, for not even voting, Hockey Monkey for not even reading the win condition but using a “you can steal our win” excuse to justify a badly placed vote, and Diggit, for this vote and his “well if they find enough they might have a power later, you know unlike scum who have powers now” post #606. But in the end one person edges out the rest of you: **vote Hockey Monkey** ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Klutz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captain_klutz/32/4993_2.png) [@Captain\_Klutz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Klutz)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/664 "2017-01-21T03:44:33Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Mods: If a third party dies, will the death flip tell us whether their win condition is consistent with Town’s (i.e., if they’re hostile or not)? Probably not. From the rules: > [@](#): > > The Lynch > [ol] > [li]At the conclusion of each Day, the player with the highest total number of votes will be lynched and removed from the game. If “No Lynch” has the highest number of votes, no player will be lynched.[/li][li]In the event of a tie, the moderators will consult [Random.org](http://Random.org). You probably want to avoid this if you can.[/li][li]Death reveals (including for lynch and Night/Day kill victims) will include the role name and alignment of the player. **No additional information will be provided**.[/li][/ol] (bolding added) ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/665 "2017-01-21T03:46:33Z")
I make it as Brewha: 9 Crys: 8 ToeJam: raventhief[31-597], Idle[32], Sunny[34-318] Idle: Angel[44-595] Capt Klutz: Drain[45-132], Sunny[567-568], Crys[582] Sario: ProfP[46], Cookies[523-575] Angel: Zeriel[60-529], BoozySquid[80-556] Texcat: PlumPudding[68] ThingFish: Pleonast[121] BillMc: Drain[132-638], Texcat[179-633] Chronos: Nanook[151] Meeko: JohnnyBravo[169] Sachertorte: Meeko[203] SNF: Diggit[250-588], Texcat[633-639] Crys: Guiri[262], Sunny[568], Hockey[584], Diggit[588], Angel[595], Texcat[639], CaptKlutz[640], SNF[641] Pleonast: Lightfoot[288], Hooker[295-621], ThingFish[297] JSGoddess: HoopyFrood[294] PlumPudding: Sunny[318-508] Diggit: SNF[332-641], Paul[386] Brewha: Bufftabby[373-417,622], Chronos[538], Biotop[543], BoozySquid[556], Cookies[575], Sachertorte[576], Hooker[621], Drain[638], Raventhief[646] Paul: Zeriel[529] ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/666 "2017-01-21T03:51:59Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > Wait a second. > > Okay, so not only do you want to form groups of unconfirmed people who vote as a block, but you want to do so willy-nilly based on people’s feelings? > > When the voting record is a prime source of scumhunting, thereby diluting any potential scum tells from votes among 3-4 people any one of whom may or may not be anything? > > That’s just superficially (because of your leadup with the switch nonsense) good enough and actually bad enough to merit this next move: > > **unvote AngeloftheNorth > vote paulwhoisaghost** > > There’s not a lot of good reason for scum to hunt switch holders qua switch holders, either–we already know some of those switch holders are able to block townie powers, and unless a scum faction holds the mate to a particular switch, killing one switch holder merely gives absolute power to the not-them entity that holds the other one. With no death reveal of switches, as I seem to remember being said, that is a big cup of WIFOM for scum teams to go after in lieu of hunting our power roles. > > FOS remains on CaptainKlutz for making an unforced information error, and his defense of same doesn’t hold water to me. > FOS remains on AngeloftheNorth, because of her attempt to set up a way to excuse poor play (Oh, I didn’t read the rules tee hee). I had not considered the fact that with no death reveal scum would not know if they had been successful in eliminating the correct switch holder. This is why I even posed the possibility and asked for input on it. If I can’t bounce ideas off of everyone then I I’m left bouncing them off no one and I’d rather risk looking stupid than pass up a potentially powerful system and could give town a much needed leg up. My flawed Idea would have forced scum into unusual situations where they have to make tough decisions about how to proceed. But you point out a pretty big flaw in it. Thank you for your feedback. I’m sorry I gave you a reason to vote for me. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/667 "2017-01-21T03:52:16Z")
My unofficial vote count: **brewha** (11) - Chronos (538), Biotop (543), Boozahol (556), ComeToTheDarkSide (575), sachertorte (576), Hooker (621), bufftabby (622), Drain Bead (638), TexCat (639), Capt. Klutz (640), raventhief (646) **Crys** (6) - Guiri (262), Sunny Daze (568), Hockey Monkey (584), DiggitCamara (588), AngeloftheNorth (595), snfaulkner (641) **Pleonast** (2) - LightFoot (288), Thing Fish (297) One vote each: ToeJam - Idle Thoughts (32) DiggitCamara - paulwhoisaghost (386) Sario - Prof. Pepperwinkle (46) sachertorte - Meeko (203) TexCat - Plumpudding (88) Thing Fish - Pleonast (121) Chronos - Nanook (151) Meeko - Johnny Bravo (169) paulwhoisaghost - Zeriel (529) Capt. Klutz - Crys (583) Hockey Monkey - Hoopy Frood (663) I don’t have a problem moving my vote to brewha or Crys, if needed for the second lynch. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Klutz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captain_klutz/32/4993_2.png) [@Captain\_Klutz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Klutz)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/668 "2017-01-21T03:55:28Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > My unofficial vote count: > > **brewha** (11) - Chronos (538), Biotop (543), Boozahol (556), ComeToTheDarkSide (575), sachertorte (576), Hooker (621), bufftabby (622), Drain Bead (638), TexCat (639), Capt. Klutz (640), raventhief (646) > > **Crys** (6) - Guiri (262), Sunny Daze (568), Hockey Monkey (584), DiggitCamara (588), AngeloftheNorth (595), snfaulkner (641) > > **Pleonast** (2) - LightFoot (288), Thing Fish (297) > > One vote each: > > ToeJam - Idle Thoughts (32) > DiggitCamara - paulwhoisaghost (386) > Sario - Prof. Pepperwinkle (46) > sachertorte - Meeko (203) > TexCat - Plumpudding (88) > Thing Fish - Pleonast (121) > Chronos - Nanook (151) > Meeko - Johnny Bravo (169) > paulwhoisaghost - Zeriel (529) > Capt. Klutz - Crys (583) > Hockey Monkey - Hoopy Frood (663) > > I don’t have a problem moving my vote to brewha or Crys, if needed for the second lynch. My vote was for Crys, not brewha ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/669 "2017-01-21T03:57:01Z")
Sorry, my bad. That makes it 10 and 7. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/670 "2017-01-21T03:58:16Z")
As was mine. I still make it Brewha 9, Crys 8. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/671 "2017-01-21T04:15:35Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > As was mine. I still make it Brewha 9, Crys 8. Note to self: do not try to keep a count when Madame Pepperwinkle is talking in the background. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/672 "2017-01-21T04:22:29Z")
As was already nostalgically shared, NAF and I once confounded a 3rd party by switching the names of our masonly roles. With no switch reveals upon death, if a switch claimer flips as scum, the switch claimed could still be in play. The dead Scum would just have needed to borrow a teammate’s switch PM details. ---
**Author:** ![Crys75](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3da27b/32.png) [@Crys75](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crys75)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/673 "2017-01-21T04:29:33Z")
I think you guys are making a big mistake. Scum is giggling like school girls because you are doing their work for them. I’m fairly certain I won’t survive the night because I will try and turn off their bodyguard every time I can. Sent from my XT1526 using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Crys75](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3da27b/32.png) [@Crys75](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crys75)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/674 "2017-01-21T04:30:48Z")
Oh and PS those of you that have played with me before know I’m telling you the truth. Sent from my XT1526 using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/675 "2017-01-21T04:31:41Z")
> [@Captain\_Klutz](#): > > Probably not. From the rules: > > (bolding added) Possibly, depending on the truthiness of **Crys** claim: > [@](#): > > ALIGNMENT: Third Party (Non-Hostile) It depends on if hostile/non-hostile is considered to be part of alignment, as depicted in the alleged role PM. Even if the non-hostile part of Crys’s PM is not accurate, that piece of it still may be in the place she depicts. ---
**Author:** ![Crys75](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3da27b/32.png) [@Crys75](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crys75)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/676 "2017-01-21T04:40:32Z")
I have no reason to lie to you. I am prepared to die. I was thinking that brewha maybe was one of my cultists. Since then they have said they are not. With all the lies that have come up I’m sorry that I thought that. I’m thinking she might be a wolf. Sent from my XT1526 using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Crys75](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3da27b/32.png) [@Crys75](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crys75)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/677 "2017-01-21T04:43:03Z")
> [@HookerChemical](#): > > This issue really does need to be addressed by Crys. Does she see something we don’t? Brewha pm matches mine pretty much word for word which I already posted Sent from my XT1526 using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Crys75](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3da27b/32.png) [@Crys75](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crys75)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/678 "2017-01-21T04:47:08Z")
Did I botch the posts when I was reading stuff on my phone…Bah now I have to reread the whole thread for like the sixth time. I will do it tomorrow before but I’m still prepared to die. Sent from my XT1526 using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/679 "2017-01-21T04:52:40Z")
Well said \*\* Hoopy Frood \*\* I was talking to the 4 leggers and the three legger about this- but I didn’t get it into human words before you did. [sub] yes I could have just said my dogs, but the spit fires among us would have glommed I was a wolf or some such- betcha [/sub] \*\* bufftabby \*\* other cultists \* could \* confirm/ deny the PM accuracy but given the current response they ain’t gonna, are they. [sub] No I am not one of them either [/sub] We have 3 , 4 (what is the count now?) unprovoked claims either switchers or 3P---- what would be the Scum motovation to draw this sort of scrutiny? pray tell, anyone? We have a pretty smart bunch here _( ok I don’t know if you are all pretty)_ Some of the voters on this current train are looking to blend and should be suspected. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/680 "2017-01-21T04:54:36Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > A neutral cult is only pro-town when it suits them to be. If the Mafia is winning then they hang their hats with the Mafia. If the wolves are winning then they hang their hats with the wolves. This is my understanding as well and this is why I changed my vote to **Crys**. This seems fundamentally untrustworthy to me. The cult does not need a town victory in order to win. This does not align with town needs. What am I missing? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425.md?page=33) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425.md?page=35)