# Mafia Reunion - Day Two **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [January 17, 2017, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425 "2017-01-17T22:20:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 38
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/741 "2017-01-21T16:41:02Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > Meeks, you just seem more paranoid that people aren’t playing by a similar set of principles regardless of alignment than holding a healthy amount of vanilla townie skepticism. I was just about to offer an aside to the Mods via pm. But what the hell::: Mafia challenges my personally held beliefs. It argues thoughts ((Easily politicized)) that I KNOW to be wrong. And what really, really gets to me, is that I’m forced to battle these thoughts in the middle of a passion of mine, gaming. Like, I know the inevitable here (((All Mafia Games, the Mafia “”“Theory”“”))) and remain perplexed why we aren’t there yet. Yes. Mafia should … Needs to teach me things. But I’m not sure anyone will fully understand why I say that. There is a limit [[And I think a vast majority of us, in this game, are there]] where it becomes banging your head into a wall, ad infinitum. I can’t grasp willful ignoring of the obvious. … Please return that to me twisted, used against me. … My turn for sarcasm. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/742 "2017-01-21T16:47:20Z")
> [@Crys75](#): > > well it could save town some trouble at least. If he was bodyguarding the guy that can reset all the switches, and he can’t then reset them it may not work and then the switches can’t be reset for all the other nice powers floating around out there. Bodyguarding or blocking? Crys, on D1 there was a suggestion for non-win-stealing third parties to claim, under no pressure. I realize you cannot answer for the other 4 cultists, but why did you not claim then? Surely it would have been a perfect opportunity to demonstrate that you are not a threat? I presume neither Drain Bead, nor Brewha nor you claimed not to be third party. ---
**Author:** ![Crys75](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3da27b/32.png) [@Crys75](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crys75)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/743 "2017-01-21T16:53:37Z")
\*\* unvote Captain Klutz\*\* \*\* Vote Brewha\*\* I’m terribly bad at catching breadcrumbs lol. It was night one and a shot in the dark. today its only day 2, and it could be that many of the other cultists are sitting back in the background however I’m changing my vote because I have a new theory and it didn’t smack me in the face until i went to go reread those rolls. Brewha could very well be a major liar. While I was reading rolls I came across this : Welcome to the game; you are The Consigliere ALIGNMENT: Mafia YOU WIN if the total number of living Mafia is greater than or equal to 50% of the total population AND greater than the number of living Wolves. BACKGROUND: Hey, you are the guy who was mentioned as looking a lot like a young Robert Duvall in the preview color. You’re practically famous already! What else would anyone want to know about your character? If anyone has questions tell em to watch The Godfather. If they still have questions, have em whacked. They should know their place. You are the most trusted advisor to the Godfather, and as such are maybe the most powerful scum player in the game. But you are also not really IN the mafia, ya know? So your powers are also pretty weak. Sound like a contradiction? Maybe. But you’re a complicated kind of guy. POWERS: You have contacts with people at the very top and the rock bottom of the great food chain that is a modern urban environment. Those contacts grant you access to the following three abilities, any of which may be used only by Night; people of the kind that you depend upon don’t like to operate while the sun shines. You may use only one ability per Night, and may use any given ability only once per game. At your word, your army of bought engineers, electricians, and plumbers will reset all switches in the game to the “off” positions. Send a low level informant to follow any player in the game and report back to you who, if anyone, targets that player during the Night. Once per game, you can activate all of your contacts at once, sowing madness and chaos across the city. For that cycle - ie, the Night on which you use the power and the subsequent Day - all role blocks and protective powers are automatically cancelled (including your own team’s!). and this Welcome to the game; you are The Omega Wolf ALIGNMENT: Werewolves YOU WIN if the total number of living Wolves is greater than or equal to 50% of the total population AND greater than the number of living Mafia. BACKGROUND: So the folks in payroll tell me you’re sort of a Sorcerer Werewolf, which seems a bit on the redundant side, supernatural identity-wise. They also tell me you’re looking to get separate paychecks for each role, which I think reflects a lot of spunk and enthusiasm on your part. Also, definitely no. Anyway, looks like you’re basically the utility infielder of the fuzzy set, so have fun with that. POWERS: You have three powerful metaphysical abilities, any of which may be used only by Day; you’re a bit busy ravening and drooling to do anything particularly useful by Night. You may use only one ability per Day, and may use any given ability only once per game. With but a thought, you can telekinetically reset all switches in the game to the “off” positions. Telepathically follow any player in the game and learn who, if anyone, targets that player during the Day. Once per game, you reach out and stimulate the psyches of every player in the game, making them rash and reckless. For that cycle - ie, the Day on which you use the power and the subsequent Night - all role blocks and protective powers are automatically cancelled (including your own team’s!). Do I think that Brewha is one of these rolls. No. I don’t. I believe that Brewha is being truthful about their switch, but because they aren’t worried about the repercussions on them they are fishing for info for the real resetters. I can’t be sure of this and I know I have made a drastic turn on my view, but after rereading all the lies n such, if Brewha was a member of my cult I think they would have no reason to lie about it. I mean lets be honest. Even if you kill us both and we would have both turned up Lutha it might give some cred to the rest of our group. The three members that would have been left. I’m glad none of the rest of my cult has spoken up to try and save me. I did make a mistake and for that I’m sorry but hopefully when I die, which i will soon. I mean I did just claim to turn the switch on the bodyguard every night and if i was scum I would really, really want to take me out lol. I probably shouldn’t read the board after I have taken my meds lol. Lesson learned! ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/744 "2017-01-21T16:56:22Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Wow. > > **Chronos** does that mean to imply you think all the other plans on the table will,work? > > The amount of conscription and plain out “X will do Y, because I simply say so” is so rampant in this game, it makes the game strictly unplayable for… And yeah I’ll go ahead and say it, non power town. > > The only reason **ANY** of these plans will get off the ground, is because scum and third party want them to to, and are actively manipulating them. After all, the **ONLY** amount of coordination sufficient to have this work, for any, is by it’s definition non-towny. **A fools errand at half.** > > I swear, one day I will play a game of Mafia by actually going through it, and none of this let’s me obtuse just to be obtuse, and actually brainstorm, not barnstorm the mechanics. > > There is no “playing” of a game of you go to the back of the book for the answers. This is true for claiming, of any flavor. Using switches in any coordinated effort becomes such a flavor of claiming. > > “I’m X, and I will do Y now. You can trust me.” Repeated by as many players as needed, and then followed out to the letter would make for a very, very short, unfun game. It’s like “Wargames”, the only move is not to play. Eventually we would stop playing. > > “I’m X, and I will do Y now. You can trust me.” Repeated by a few players, and then ignored (or fabricated) would make for a shorter, frustrating game. …Stop me if you heard this. > > Obviously I play Mafia games for different reasons. Actually playing. > > I seriously question why you guys always make Mafia something it’s not. No amount of thinking, in this area, will rewrite the starting problem, recalculate the starting numbers of town, or scum, etc. > > The game is words. Then powers, used expediently. Not the continual opening of pandoras boxes by unvetted players doing half baked things, that are, or can be manipulated. > > . > . > . > > Yes, this is closer to my old way of ranting. > > I kinda thought we were past this. > > This is not Mafia. That is why it will fail. It is mafia… it’s using towns numbers to their advantage. If majority of players agree to a plan and move on it, then either you propose that two different scum factions and all third parties are coordinating openly with each other or the majority consists of majority of town. If someone does not comply with the plan it adds a layer of suspect to them. It makes them toe the line and follow the will of the majority or face being in the spotlight. I find that still falls within the spirit of the game… if you want a game that doesn’t include anything but words you should only play basic mafia games that have no power roles… after all, aren’t any investigative roles just short cuts that find results not based on words but the use of a mechanic? Get over it Meeko… in any give. Game you are going to have a unique set of mechanics in play… I find no issue with examining how they interact and if town can somehow use them to our advantage. Taking a hardline stance against innovation is bad. If a plan is good enough for half of the players to agree to it, then it can’t be all scum… the numbers aren’t there… even if both scum teams are somehow coordinating with each other to forward a scummy agenda it would still only make 14 by my count… that’s about a quarter of the living players… which means half the people supporting the plan would have to be town or 3rd party… Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Crys75](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3da27b/32.png) [@Crys75](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crys75)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/745 "2017-01-21T16:58:02Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > Bodyguarding or blocking? > > Crys, on D1 there was a suggestion for non-win-stealing third parties to claim, under no pressure. I realize you cannot answer for the other 4 cultists, but why did you not claim then? Surely it would have been a perfect opportunity to demonstrate that you are not a threat? > > I presume neither Drain Bead, nor Brewha nor you claimed not to be third party. Because I knew that regardless of when I claimed and I was the first I would die. You guys can say that we would have no pressure, but that is false and you know it. When you can’t lynch scum let’s test the 3rd parties. Its the nature of the game. Had I not been brain boggled I probably wouldn’t have claimed. However since I had surgery, and my shoulder really hurts I have been relying on my meds to ease the pain. This morning I am clear headed and at the computer. I probably should have waited longer before trying to play mafia. That is my mistake and one that I will not make again. This morning I am sitting at my keyboard just ignoring the pain to get some clear headed thoughts out and on the board. \*\ ***Notice I will be taking my meds with lunch. So any posts past like the next half hour of my time I will be on a percocet. So if I don’t answer right away keep that in mind** ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/746 "2017-01-21T16:58:12Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > Bodyguarding or blocking? > > Crys, on D1 there was a suggestion for non-win-stealing third parties to claim, under no pressure. I realize you cannot answer for the other 4 cultists, but why did you not claim then? Surely it would have been a perfect opportunity to demonstrate that you are not a threat? > > I presume neither Drain Bead, nor Brewha nor you claimed not to be third party. If you’re talking about the “I’m not third party, I’m Town,” I was one of the ones who actually did it… Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/747 "2017-01-21T17:05:14Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > The way I interpreted events was that Brewha was the lynch leader and had admitted to lying. If I was a cultists and saw the situation brewha was in I would have to consider whether or not there was potential for them to also be a cultist before casting a vote for them. With that extra layer of WiFoM, I could easily be misleading by my gut into thinking there’s a good chance I’m about to watch a teammate get lynched. And if there are really only 5, in a game this size it would not surprise me if more than a few cultists are killed without the killer knowing they are cultists. > > I can see why Crys would take a leap here… at best they find a teammate and save them from the lynch… at worst they’ve outed themselves and have to convince everyone they really aren’t a threat but they also let the other cultists know that they can trust Crys. > > Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk The only problem with this theory is that Crys says she thought Brewha was a cultist because of a hunch. She had no evidence to suspect Brewha was a cultist which means she claimed based on a hunch to save another player. The only way this might make sense is if the cultists have a tell that Crys is trying avoid revealing. Maybe Crys knows Brewha is a cultist because of the tell, and doesn’t want to reveal this fact because it would expose the other cultists. But even this theory still has the problem that her claim just put two cultists in danger instead of just Brewha. It wasn’t certain that Brewha was getting lynched. But now that Crys claimed, it’s very likely that she could be a target, like she mentioned. So by her own admission she put herself in danger to save Brewha who was already in danger. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/748 "2017-01-21T17:06:55Z")
Hey, did you know that if you use the Quick Reply box and the page updates before you submit, you lose everything you posted and can’t get it back? \ Anyway, the short version was…sorry. Again. I’ve been about as useless a player as can be, and non-participation is only to the detriment of this game (less so when we’re dealing with a player pool of this size, but it’s still, it sucks). So, I’m going through toDay try and catch up – to try and put together some useful thoughts. More later. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/749 "2017-01-21T17:08:06Z")
> [@](#): > > Quoth **Meeko** : > > Wow. > > Chronos does that mean to imply you think all the other plans on the table will,work? Could you be a little more specific? There are a lot of plans on the table, and I think I’ve weighed in on all of them, but it’s quite possible that I missed one or two. And of course Town does and should try to make plans, and of course Scum can and do try to interfere with them. That’s one of the ways we find Scum. Heck, at some level, that sums up the entire game: Town makes a plan of “Let’s all lynch the scummiest people we can find”, and Scum tries to prevent that from working. Sometimes a plan actually works as designed, and gives Town some advantage. Sometimes Scum successfully prevent it from working, in a way that makes them a little more obvious. Sometimes they successfully prevent it from working while staying hidden. Sometimes a plan fails due to unanticipated factors, or bad luck, or just because it was a bad plan. All of that is part of the game. ---
**Author:** ![Crys75](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3da27b/32.png) [@Crys75](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crys75)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/750 "2017-01-21T17:09:37Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > ## How do I respond, if my style is going to be (has been) branded something that apparently Mafia players in general don’t want? Isn’t this not your exact argument to me? I could easily argue that anything not ““Meeko Mafia”” is Cookies Mafia, and ignore it as much as you ignore mine. > > Let me address one specific thing. I’ll get general afterwards. [[Im injecting this in the middle of two previously typed paragraphs. I’m not sure the best place for this immediate section.]] > > “Your thesis doesn’t seem to be ‘only Scum would do that’ maybe ‘only Scum can possibly benefit from that’ to which I can’t disagree more.” > > Where is your proof? > > No. I mean, why can’t I assume that any plan presented by those who have more power than me [And let’s be clear, All players that aren’t vanilla town, have more power than vanilla town. Either explicit personal powers [Cop, Doctor, JOAT, etc] given by role Pm, or by virtue, in general, of having communications off board [Scum] or confirmation of role [Mason] > > **Shouldn’t I be paranoid?** … Ok, at once, a joke, and a line to be quoted immediately in the spoiler thread, if not haunt me for the rest of my playing career. > Seriously… Paranoia for vanilla town is beneficial. > I put space around this line for impact. Perhaps, for less is more. > > I’m not sure healthy is a word to use here… But if you want me to play more … That lubricant [My kingdom for a better word] of motivation will be paranoia. _It will come :smack: from assuming only scum can benefit in any and all endeavors presented._ > **There is an assumption that non-town players hold switches. You are telling me that they are going to use switches against their own interest?** > > ## We need to find where “”“Scum wouldn’t do that.”“” And “”" ‘only Scum can possibly benefit from that’ “”" intersect. > > Seriously, this gets back to … A well known country, and it’s two predominant political parties. We are arguing now over … In a manner of speaking the “Right” response. Namely, that I am the one being a hypocrite. And no one ever levels that they are projecting. > > That Mafia Freedom essentially means you will play Mafia by my rules, are not at all. Only… In the same manner of speaking, I’m Left out. > > It leads to thinking that totally shorts my brain out. > > All Mafia Players are equal, just some are more equal than others. > > **Cookies** Why do all of the games go to claiming? [And again, I’m including “I have a switch” as a claim] What possible fun is claiming? Do you appreciate my concern here, that there is no game here, there is no “play” here? As usual I disagree with you Meeko, but that is nothing new. I feel there is play here, even if my own was confused and misguided. People are trying to figure things out, however I think they are looking in the wrong direction in some cases. I mean I am 3rd party, non hostile, and I can win with any faction. I would prefer to win with town which is why I flipped my bodyguard switch. There are no vanilla scum they all have powers. I logically looked at the roles and I think the switch resetters are the ones that would be protected because as scum that is what I would do. Protect our switch resetters so things can go on as normal. I flipped my switch which means if no one else did we can possibly take out the bodyguard, which will allow us to take out the resetter of the mafia if we happen to find them and lynch them. Me stating that I planned to toggle my switch everyday tells the other one that has it not to do so. I’m assuming you wouldn’t be given a switch for your own factions power. In my mind its another mechanic used for screwing things up for mafia and wolves ---
**Author:** ![Crys75](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3da27b/32.png) [@Crys75](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crys75)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/751 "2017-01-21T17:12:00Z")
> [@Lakai](#): > > The only problem with this theory is that Crys says she thought Brewha was a cultist because of a hunch. She had no evidence to suspect Brewha was a cultist which means she claimed based on a hunch to save another player. > > The only way this might make sense is if the cultists have a tell that Crys is trying avoid revealing. Maybe Crys knows Brewha is a cultist because of the tell, and doesn’t want to reveal this fact because it would expose the other cultists. But even this theory still has the problem that her claim just put two cultists in danger instead of just Brewha. It wasn’t certain that Brewha was getting lynched. But now that Crys claimed, it’s very likely that she could be a target, like she mentioned. So by her own admission she put herself in danger to save Brewha who was already in danger. No. If you continue reading you will see I put in a completely different theory that I think is plausible. Im just trying to get thoughts out before someone takes me out. Town with the lynch of scum with the nk. I made a mistake it happens, I mean don’t forget that all you see is pixels, but behind the pixels is still a human being that isn’t infallible. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/752 "2017-01-21T17:13:41Z")
> [@](#): > > Quoth **Hal Briston** : > > Hey, did you know that if you use the Quick Reply box and the page updates before you submit, you lose everything you posted and can’t get it back? Never happened to me, and I’ve seen plenty of times where the page updated while I was quick-replying. The new post just ends up after all of the ones that came in. What browser/OS is that? Oh, and **ToeJam** , now that you’re back and have avoided the mod-kill, you should know that you’ve got a big fat target painted on you. I think that the only possible way you avoid a Vig kill or lynching toMorrow is if you claim a power role. Yeah, I know that lynch the lurker sucks, but it’s the only possible counter to a Scum deliberately lurking. In an ideal game, we’d never lynch the lurker, by virtue of not having any lurkers in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Crys75](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3da27b/32.png) [@Crys75](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crys75)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/753 "2017-01-21T17:13:46Z")
> [@Khameleon](#): > > Interesting idea. I’m not sure whether this is genuinely trying to save Townies, or to out confirmed non-Scum groups for Scum to attack. Also not sure the Cultists would go along with it since one of them must survive - that said it seems that it might not matter to Scum if the Cultists meet their win con anyway. I disagree, but I might be a bit biased I don’t want any of my non hostile buddies to die, and if i did survive it takes away all the fun for the cultists cause we don’t have to hunt for each other anymore. I think this takes away from the spirit of the roles in the game. ---
**Author:** ![Crys75](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3da27b/32.png) [@Crys75](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crys75)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/754 "2017-01-21T17:17:19Z")
> [@Khameleon](#): > > Ok - **Crys75** , do you want to perhaps re-think your claim that **Brewha’s** and your switch PMs are the same and that the **Captain’s** is different. For some stupid reason I cannot find **Brewha’s** post with the quote of his PM, but I did find yours and **Captain K’s** (sorry, I copy-pasted them into another document as opposed to quoting them - I included post numbers however): > > * * * > > **Crys75’s** PM: > > Post #534 > > Knock knock knock > There is someone at the door. It’s a delivery man! Sign here please. Thank you. > > You open up your package. > > Inside is a box with a label. The label says (redacted) switch. What does it do? > > The switch is currently in the on position. You can toggle it if you like each Night. The next Night it will reset itself. Oh and there is also a note that there is another one of these out there. Huh. They may effect each other. > > Have fun with your gift! > > * * * > > **Captain K’s** PM: > > Post #366 > > Knock knock knock > There is someone at the door. It’s a delivery man! Sign here please. Thank you. > > You open up your package. > > Inside is a box with a label. The label says [scumrole redacted] switch. What does it do? > > The switch is currently in the on position. You can toggle it if you like each Night. The next Night it will reset itself. Oh and there is also a note that there is another one of these out there. Huh. They may effect each other. > > Have fun with your gift > > * * * > > It looks to me like **Crys75’s** and **Captain K’s** PMs are the ones that match, leaving **Brewha** with the one that’s different. > > Nice catch **Chronos** on the **Brewha** lie. > > I was one of the first to find Brewha suspicious and it looks like those suspicions may have panned out. > So: > > **Vote Brewha** > > As for **Crys75** , I’m actually inclined to at least partially believe her. I agree with whoever said that the actual writing of her role PM sounds very much like it was written by our mods. The claim and PM are detailed and unique enough that I’m not sure anyone would risk making them up. Whether or not a few words were changed, I have no idea. But for now I find **Brewha** more suspicious. Yeah i confused the quoted pms in posts while under the effect of 2 percocets. ☹ I’m very sorry. I stayed drug free this morning to re read everything. ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/755 "2017-01-21T17:18:21Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > I agree with most of this. > > Why did Crys claim in the first place? She claimed to save Brewha who she for unexplained reasons thought was a cultist. She’s unwilling to explain why she thought Brewha was a cultist. She’s unwilling to explain why she thought Drain was a cultist. She tries to just shrug it all off with random hunch. I might buy random hunch on the Drain investigation, but I don’t think that you claim like Crys did on a random hunch. > > Crys is hiding something about why she thought Brewha and Drain were fellow cultists. And why? I think because she doesn’t want us finding them ourselves. But why would she worry about that if they were benign third party? It sure looks to me like they are evil cultists. > > And why hasn’t a fellow cultist stepped up to verify Crys’s claim? The obvious answer is that they know they’ll be lynched when we discover that Crys’s claim is not true. > > The rules do talk about 3rd parties with exclusive wincons. So I’m inclined to think that they do exist. I’m certainly guessing that is what Crys is. > > I am also happy with my vote on Crys. And I think this is a perfect use for our second lynch! I’m getting kind of sick of this logic. If you were looking for non-town team members on public boards what would you look for? I would be lost. I might try looking for breadcrumbs… I might just start investigating people. You seem to suggest you would play the role differently and that’s why you are suspicious of Crys, but don’t say what you would have done that differs. Let’s say that Crys is holding back info on why they thought brewha and drain were cultists… if they revealed that info it would tell everyone what they were looking for and that would make whatever they were looking for pointless there forward and it would endanger the other cultists displaying whatever it is Crys was looking for. If Crys wins if one of them survive, why would Crys give away tips on hunting for them? Furthermore, if you are town, why do you care exactly what he was looking for? It doesn’t further town at all… If you honestly think Crys is scum then please explain the scum motivation behind their claim… to me, the only way it makes sense is that Crys and Brewha are scum together. And if that’s the case, then why did Brewha deny being part of the cult? It doesn’t make sense… if Crys’s claim is a scum ploy to swoop in and save scum Brewha, then why would scum brewha turn down the save attempt? Brewha lied… and they claim to hold a switch. I see strong scum logic behind their actions… I can’t say the same for Crys… If I’m missing something, please feel free to point it out… but as I see it, you are casting aspersions at Crys without explaining how them being scum makes sense. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/756 "2017-01-21T17:21:17Z")
> [@Crys75](#): > > No. If you continue reading you will see I put in a completely different theory that I think is plausible. Im just trying to get thoughts out before someone takes me out. Town with the lynch of scum with the nk. I made a mistake it happens, I mean don’t forget that all you see is pixels, but behind the pixels is still a human being that isn’t infallible. I actually think your mistake is plausible, because I made a mistake as Lakai Ver. 1.0 when I misread what Colby was saying. That’s why I’m voting for Brewha and not for you. I think the case against Brewha is stronger than the one against you. ---
**Author:** ![Crys75](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3da27b/32.png) [@Crys75](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crys75)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/757 "2017-01-21T17:22:43Z")
Oh and I just want to throw out there I am still heavily pinged by the way that Captain Klutz redacted his pm. Idk if he threw the scum role redacted there to get some cred for his wolfy self. I’m thinking from wording and the way he is working now to vote me out is because I controlled the other half of his switch. I might be completely wrong, but again I’m starting to think his participation could be a huge fishing expedition as well. Just getting my thoughts out there because at the moment we are creeping steadily to the 17 vote 2nd lynch and my behind is currently sitting in that frying pan which is ok. I can at least prove that my faction is non win stealing. ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/758 "2017-01-21T17:25:10Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > The rules do talk about 3rd parties with exclusive wincons. So I’m inclined to think that they do exist. I’m certainly guessing that is what Crys is. > > I am also happy with my vote on Crys. And I think this is a perfect use for our second lynch! If you really think they are exclusive 3rd party… then I have a couple of problems with your response. 1.Your suspicions of why they thought Drain and Brewha were fellow cultists makes no sense to me. 2. Being exclusive makes them a scum problem too… why spend our lynches solving any problems that are obstacles for scum? If we solve the problem because it poses a risk to town, we are also solving a scum problem. If we don’t lynch the third parties, scum will have to do it… and I do mean that if they don’t they will lose. Town has to kill all Scum… scum dont have to kill all town… if a scum team loses no members and the game gets to 14 players and the third party is alive, would scum lose? Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Crys75](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3da27b/32.png) [@Crys75](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crys75)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/759 "2017-01-21T17:25:19Z")
**Warning taking some medicine now. I may not respond to you til tomorrow unless your question is worded simply** \* ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/760 "2017-01-21T17:30:57Z")
> [@](#): > > Quoth **paulwhoisaghost** : > > if a scum team loses no members and the game gets to 14 players and the third party is alive, would scum lose? That would depend on what the third party’s win condition is. If **Crys** is being honest, then we know what the Cult’s win condition is, and when it would trigger. If she’s not being honest (and is presumably an exclusive win-stealer), then we have no idea of either, beyond knowing that whatever the win condition is, it’s something that can trigger before Town or either Scum hit their wincon. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425.md?page=37) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425.md?page=39)