# Mafia Reunion - Day Two **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [January 17, 2017, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425 "2017-01-17T22:20:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 39
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/761 "2017-01-21T17:31:46Z")
> [@ToeJam](#): > > Sorry guys. > I’m alive. I think. Maybe? I got the message from NAF about being modkilled if I don’t post, and while I wish I could say I’m a cop just slowly laying low and accumulating lists of townies or something like that… It’s nothing like that. > I’m just a busy guy who ends up working these last few weeks until 9pm and then coming home to get up at 5am to do it again… > > So I’m literally on Page 7 of Day 1 and can’t really say I know what’s happened since then. But if you guys need a vote or something so we don’t lose another townie, I’ll take a shot in the dark by reading this page (page 15). > > So just in case voting is what’s needed to keep me alive. I see that Brewha is apologetic about lying and claiming town. And there’s a lot of switch business. Great. Something about Chrys and Captain K. Claims. Cultists? I don’t even remember the initial roles of the game. -\_\_- > > Well. Purely on Lynch all Liars until I either die or have a chance to catch up… ☹ > > \*\* > Vote Brewha\*\* > -R > > I wish I could say I could do better, but let me start by trying to read Day 2. Unless there should be some reason I should read Day 1 first. > I’ll get to that whenever I can I suppose. Why volunteer that you are not any kind of cop? You are under zero pressure and just narrowed a pool for scum. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/762 "2017-01-21T17:38:00Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > I was just about to offer an aside to the Mods via pm. But what the hell::: > > Mafia challenges my personally held beliefs. It argues thoughts ((Easily politicized)) that I KNOW to be wrong. And what really, really gets to me, is that I’m forced to battle these thoughts in the middle of a passion of mine, gaming. Like, I know the inevitable here (((All Mafia Games, the Mafia “”“Theory”“”))) and remain perplexed why we aren’t there yet. > > Yes. Mafia should … Needs to teach me things. But I’m not sure anyone will fully understand why I say that. > > There is a limit [[And I think a vast majority of us, in this game, are there]] where it becomes banging your head into a wall, ad infinitum. > > I can’t grasp willful ignoring of the obvious. … Please return that to me twisted, used against me. > … My turn for sarcasm. If you are banging your head against the wall it’s because you are stubborn and refuse to adapt your gameplay. If it’s not working, fix it. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![ToeJam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dfb087/32.png) [@ToeJam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ToeJam)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/763 "2017-01-21T17:38:25Z")
Thoughts: So I’m on page 5 of D2 so far… Thoughts so far (Cuz I can’t do this all day sadly): [Post 62](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19928904&postcount=62) by **Chrys**. Is interesting. It’s the first mention of just a subtle curiosity about claims and how they would be treated. Means nothing but with information now, it’s pretty much the first time in D2 it comes up. **FOS Sachetorte** for posts 135 and 140: > [@sachertorte](#): > > I’m fine with a ToeJam Lynch (which shouldn’t be surprising since I was voting for ToeJam yesterday). I think finding out ToeJam’s alignment is pretty much needed at this point to put Day 1 into proper perspective. > > But we also have the _second Lynch_, so I will need to find out who else I find suspicious. I suggest those that voted ToeJam already do the same. The first part is whatever. Basically we’d see another townie in a really unfortunate day 1 set up. But that’s not the suspicious part. It’s the 2nd part. The blank advocating for encouraging everyone to just resume/pile on the \*\*ToeJam \*\*votes despite now having more information. This is just encouraging a train without even thinking about the rest of the data. \*\*Sach \*\*is one of the best at this game, the OGs of this stuff. He’s not a newbie player, and so this sort of a thing is a bit odd from him. Then in 140 we get this: > [@sachertorte](#): > > Huh. That’s interesting. I thought it was pretty much a given that we need to utilize the second Lynch. > I realize that we wouldn’t necessarily reach the vote totals needed naturally. But I’m thinking that we would have the normal vote and a dummy vote for the second Lynch. Then on Saturday or Sunday we move votes around to make the second Lynch happen. Perhaps I’m expecting too much. It gets pointed out by a few other people- but he’s encouraging the 2nd lynch set up- and (as others would later point out)- it does not seem like a good idea- it’s just increasing the tempo of the days, adding to risks of scum manipulation. Having a mandated 2nd Lynch actually takes AWAY voting records, and allows people to throw away votes but then jump on a pre-made 2nd lynch bandwagon. It’s easy to hide in 2nd lynch dummy vote set up when it favors you, and it’s also something where if it doesn’t favor you, you can suddenly become the “indignant townie” and try to rustle up votes to basically prevent the dummy lynch. Again… I’d expect \*\*Sach \*\*to know the sped up mechanics are not a good thing right now. I’d think of him as being more meticulous than just recommending policies which can really hurt the town (Autocreating a bandwagon and then adding another lynch to each day). ```auto Speaking of lynches. There's only 2 lynches today. I believe the Mods implied there could be up to 3? I'm only up to page 5, but not a lots been said about that- the idea that potentially we're missing a 3rd kill (to trigger the 3rd lynch) or is it perhaps a different mechanism that creates the 3rd lynch? WIFOM. But interesting to note that noone's talked about that potential. I fear nights could be bloodier, as there was talk of scum kill and a Vig kill. But could there be more? :shrug: it didn't get much traction. Though I will say *page 2 of this thread (D2)* is worth re-reading probably as we get into later days. There was a lot going on, and good talking there that when we have more information will be useful. A lot of snuggling and accusations. Just a mental note for the town. ``` **Post 186** > [@brewha](#): > > So, it’s a pretty safe bet that the pro town vigillante killed Colby. He has to kill every night and the runner up to lynch is as pro-town a choice to make as any. > > Unless, the town vig is a switchable power. > > Should we talk about whether or not we want those switch holders to attempt to disable the vig? Or, should we let Batman do his thing and hope that he gets scum at night? I gotta say as well. Post 186, this is the first mention of switches in the day. Points to Brewha’s Switchy Credibility in that he’s the first to talk about it, and he’s been making alot of statements early in the day with confidence (re: knowing what his switch does and not being worried about a counter-claim or anything). It’s certainly creating a townie sheen for him as of page 4-5. Though I don’t think i’ve gotten to any lies yet either, and noone else has claimed fully either. So I’m still reading though the day. If I voted by page 5, my vote would have been for \*\*Sachetorte \*\*most likely. > [@brewha](#): > > I think that’s a decent plan to have Batman target me tonight. I’ll go ahead and switch my switch off. > > The two things I could see foil this plan - > > 1. Mafia target me as well. Batman’s kill doesn’t go through, but I die anyway. It’d suck to be dead - but my alignment would be shown as vanilla townie. I’m being 100% truthful and transparent. At least my death will allow town to believe my statements. > > Honestly, I don’t see scum targeting me though. My death proves my statements. They’d be better off to keep me alive and work to undercut my credibility. > > 1. and I need to dig up the role PMs to verify - but seems to me that there is a power role that is a global switch flipper. If a scum team member has the power to reset all switches to “on” then Batman kills me anyway. > > But, once again we’ll at least learn something. –\>Again, this is ballsy. And I’m not sure where it’s going. It’s a ballsy proposal, and it’s interesting he’s posting/suggesting these things without any heat on him already. Like it’s enough where I’m doubting my vote on the guy right now. He doesn’t seem scummy so far… But that’s why we read on. ```auto Also. Goddamn **Meeko**. Your posts are just... I don't know. At least you're consistent in your style of just the sound and the fury with random references to spongebob thrown in. ``` ---
**Author:** ![ToeJam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dfb087/32.png) [@ToeJam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ToeJam)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/764 "2017-01-21T17:40:19Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Oh, and **ToeJam** , now that you’re back and have avoided the mod-kill, you should know that you’ve got a big fat target painted on you. I think that the only possible way you avoid a Vig kill or lynching toMorrow is if you claim a power role. Yeah, I know that lynch the lurker sucks, but it’s the only possible counter to a Scum deliberately lurking. In an ideal game, we’d never lynch the lurker, by virtue of not having any lurkers in the first place. I understand. I know I cannot participate as well M-F’s, and that’s just shitty. I also know that yeah, there’s NO reason for scum to target me as I’m a free lynch Tomorrow. I expect to hang and will try my best to deal with it. Sorry for real life. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/765 "2017-01-21T17:50:01Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > If you are banging your head against the wall it’s because you are stubborn and refuse to adapt your gameplay. If it’s not working, fix it. > > Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk Because, you know, it really is just that simple. Oh, and let’s not actually weigh or determine “right” here. Nope, simply change without any actual thinking. I must be wrong, because, reasons. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/766 "2017-01-21T17:57:54Z")
Meeko i haven’t played with you before. I guess this is you doing you, but I’m fairly confused. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/767 "2017-01-21T17:58:58Z")
I reserve the right to continue to believe that Meeko is scummy, but I appear to be alone in that boat, so I will hold off until I can add to my case. Lynch all Liars is probably the only policy vote that I’m good with under most circumstances. Unvote Vote brewha If brewha flips scum, then Crys is an easy contender for tomorrow’s lynch (should he survive). If we lynch Crys and he flips cultist, that doesn’t tell us very much about brewha. Brewha is still a liar. If I thought we had enough participation/cohesion to do it, I would say let’s try to get Crys into the 2nd lynch, but I don’t see that happening. ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/768 "2017-01-21T18:02:12Z")
> [@Lakai](#): > > The only problem with this theory is that Crys says she thought Brewha was a cultist because of a hunch. She had no evidence to suspect Brewha was a cultist which means she claimed based on a hunch to save another player. > > The only way this might make sense is if the cultists have a tell that Crys is trying avoid revealing. Maybe Crys knows Brewha is a cultist because of the tell, and doesn’t want to reveal this fact because it would expose the other cultists. But even this theory still has the problem that her claim just put two cultists in danger instead of just Brewha. It wasn’t certain that Brewha was getting lynched. But now that Crys claimed, it’s very likely that she could be a target, like she mentioned. So by her own admission she put herself in danger to save Brewha who was already in danger. I would buy this if I didn’t see the clear benefit that an outed Crys gains for their claimed role and hypothetical teammates. Grasping blindly is slow and fails easily… by outing themselves several people have openly stated they are not cultists and several more have shown logic that eliminates them from being cultists… if Crys is telling the truth then they have effectively narrowed the pool they have to look at to find their teammates. A couple of other thoughts here. 1. I was wrong previously… the cultists would lose if scum met their wincon if the cultists have an exclusive wincon. The order of win resolution states this plainly. This means two things to me. The scum can ignore the third parties… and town doesn’t have to address them until we know scums’ numbers have dwindled… Unless you think the cultists have powers that can hurt town, we should be focusing on killing the people we know have powers that are harmful to town. Namely scum. So unless you think Crys’ third party claim is a scum ploy, which I can’t figure out the logic of… then I don’t think a Crys lynch is a good town play toDay and I consider it anti-town to be letting a potential killer go because we have a claimed 3rd party. 2. Several people have stated disbelief based on Crys’ claim that their only power is to find 1 other cultist and then they lose that power… if Crys is the only person with that power it wouldn’t make sense. But there is no reason to think that the other cultists don’t have the exact same power. Sorry for the double negative… it makes sense to me that the other cultists have the same power. They can each find one other cultists and through that they can confirm each other or at least know one other person they can trust and not want killed. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Crys75](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3da27b/32.png) [@Crys75](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crys75)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/769 "2017-01-21T18:07:51Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > I reserve the right to continue to believe that Meeko is scummy, but I appear to be alone in that boat, so I will hold off until I can add to my case. > > Lynch all Liars is probably the only policy vote that I’m good with under most circumstances. > > Unvote > Vote brewha > > If brewha flips scum, then Crys is an easy contender for tomorrow’s lynch (should he survive). If we lynch Crys and he flips cultist, that doesn’t tell us very much about brewha. Brewha is still a liar. > > If I thought we had enough participation/cohesion to do it, I would say let’s try to get Crys into the 2nd lynch, but I don’t see that happening. She btw lol…but I don’t expect to survive the night given what I have said I would be very suprised if I survived the lynch and then woke up tomorrow ---
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/770 "2017-01-21T18:17:08Z")
> [@HookerChemical](#): > > Ravens have an advantage when it comes to being ninjas because of their natural black coloring. Wait, what? ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/771 "2017-01-21T18:18:32Z")
> [@Scathach](#): > > Posting as I catch up: > > I think SK’s are win stealing and I believe the mods said no win stealers. I thought we got this straightened out Night 0. The rules say: > [@](#): > > 1. Town Wins! if all 14 Scum players are dead. > > 2. Mafia Wins! if the total number of living Mafia is greater than or equal to 50% of the total population AND greater than the number of living Wolves. > > 3. Wolves Win! if the total number of living Wolves is greater than or equal to 50% of the total population AND greater than the number of living Mafia. > > 4. Third party win conditions are checked after checking all three of the above. Thus, a Town win supersedes an exclusive third party win even if both occur simultaneously. Therefore there \*\*can \*\*be a SK who can win if and only if they meet their win condition before town and wolves and mafia meet theirs. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/772 "2017-01-21T18:19:33Z")
> [@Crys75](#): > > She btw lol…but I don’t expect to survive the night given what I have said I would be very suprised if I survived the lynch and then woke up tomorrow Do pardon me, madam. ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/773 "2017-01-21T18:19:48Z")
NETA the ands at the end should be ors. ---
**Author:** ![ToeJam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dfb087/32.png) [@ToeJam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ToeJam)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/774 "2017-01-21T18:20:53Z")
Thoughts Pt.2 > [@Biotop](#): > > **Chronos,** what happened to your last scheme, the one where everyone was going to say whether they were third party or not? > > I like schemes. Hell, I love them. But how could this \*\*brewha \*\*/Batman scheme work? > > 1. I think it highly probable that \*\*brewha \*\*is Town. \*\*brewha \*\* as Scum making his switch claim makes no sense. > > 2. Batman would have to agree to go along for this scheme for it to work. That’s a big assumption. But ok, let’s say he or she does. > > 3. The other switch holder, if Town, would also have to agree, and hopefully not be among the 5 or 10 people not seemingly paying attention or not showing up to the game at all. If the other switch holder is Scum or 3rd Party, then \*\*Brewha \*\*likely dies. Perhaps we learn something about what happens to switches when a player dies. Perhaps we also give Scum or 3rd Party complete control over whether Batman’s future kills go through. Because if one switch holder dies, the other one controls the role switch until death of the power or death of the remaining switch holder, right? > > 4.Two Scum have the power to turn off all switches. One Town has the power to turn on all switches. Let’s hope they are all cooperating. Is there a master switch controlling 3rd party? Who knows? > > * * * > > 1. Two Scum have the power to watch and see who targets a player. That puts a cooperative Batman in danger of being outed.\*\*\*\* > > 2. We give up any chance Batman actually killing any Scum tonight. > > Maybe I am letting my deep suspicions of \*\*Chronos \*\*cloud my judgement. **jsgoddess** , you say you like the plan. Please tell me what I am missing? > > For those of you who never have played in a game with switches, be sure to read storyteller’s Night 0, post#126. It gives a simple explanation, but is not easily found among the rules at the start of the thread. > [@LightFoot](#): > > Doesn’t this create a situation where a lot of powers will be focused on \*\* Brewa \*\* > Won’t that be a tidy corral for identifying and later killing many. > > Think about that. Ooh. Now i see. I didn’t think (or know) that scum had watcher type roles. Yeah. This is a TERRIBLE IDEA:smack:. (Page 5). And now I see see the scumminess of **Brewha** -R ```auto Interesting also that a Townie is claiming to control another townie's (The Vig) power. Though I guess the balance is that the Vig is a mandatory vig. But still. Odd Game design choice if it's real. -I wonder if the switches are being given out (Ie: A tinker type role, they're usually 3rd party- who can give out 'items' to various people. But **Brewha** states he got his stuff on Night 0. -I think Brewha may be female. My bad. ~~~~~~~~~ [quote="Scathach, post:257, topic:777425"] I would argue that a vig of the lynch runner up is much more useful. Colby being (presumably) vigged last night allowed us to go on today without talking about whether he slipped and gives us the colby wagon to analyse. [/QUOTE] This... I'm actually more okay with than a Dummy Lynch plan. I'm fine with giving a known Townie (Vig) the knife rather than hiding votes. This is what I expect from you **Satch**. It took your doppleganger to suggest it. ``` Also, (a Rooshian Gastard Idea): If we have scum watchers, every Vanilla Town should still target themselves then every night just to see if that gives confounding results to the scum. Every little bit to annoy scum helps. (Because if I was a Mod, I’d totally give that result back to the Watcher: X targeted themselves last night. Just more WIFOM. 🆒 ```auto [quote="Sunny_Daze, post:300, topic:777425"] Here is my problem with your statement, or concern perhaps. What stops **ToeJam** from showing up at the last minute and stopping the mod-kill? I've "nominated" my second place choice for the moment, so it's not like I'm not looking at other candidates, but I don't want to remove the heat from **ToeJam** on the assumption that the mods will handle it. He has a really easy out from that. I wish we had conditional voting. Here, let me ask. [snipped] [/QUOTE] Jesus. You're a bloodthirsty one. And advocating for a double lynch policy. Again. I dislike the speeding up the death of townies thing. Just either vote for me or Vig me, but you don't need to negotiate with the Mods to Modkill me and get a 2nd vote. :mad: Especially when you don't explain why- it's just a continuation of your Day 1 stuff whatever that is. Like a week's gone by in the game, and you don't have anything really to contribute by page 6 other than still focusing on a guy who hasn't posted since midway through Day1? It's a bit much. Anyways. Done with page 6, and I think I'm going to have to stop there for now! More thoughts hopefully to come and I can catch up. It's nice to have the Days go into the weekends more. -R ``` ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/775 "2017-01-21T18:21:26Z")
> [@bufftabby](#): > > Wait, what? At the risk of doing it again, i ninja’d him on the brewha pm post. I just linked it though instead of grabbing the text. And as a result he commented on my sleek plumage. Ninja-raven! ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/776 "2017-01-21T18:24:06Z")
> [@Crys75](#): > > I disagree, but I might be a bit biased I don’t want any of my non hostile buddies to die, and if i did survive it takes away all the fun for the cultists cause we don’t have to hunt for each other anymore. I think this takes away from the spirit of the roles in the game. I’m confused by this… part of my belief of your claim was based on the fact that your. Your claim makes things easy on your team… but above you say that you feel that wouldn’t be in the spirit of the game… Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/777 "2017-01-21T18:29:49Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > That would depend on what the third party’s win condition is. If **Crys** is being honest, then we know what the Cult’s win condition is, and when it would trigger. If she’s not being honest (and is presumably an exclusive win-stealer), then we have no idea of either, beyond knowing that whatever the win condition is, it’s something that can trigger before Town or either Scum hit their wincon. This isn’t true… as I have pointed out… the win resolution order lays it out… exclusive 3rd party wins are superceded by town or scum wins. It doesn’t lay out non-exclusive 3rd party wins because they are self explanatory… they don’t interfere with the win resolution laid out. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/778 "2017-01-21T18:33:02Z")
I am sure this has probably been pointed out- and I am saying it again anyway \*\* Crys ,etal \*\* If you have a Bodyguard switch ( or a Beta Wolf switch), no matter your alignment- you want that switch ON \* even the factions that have the power to ‘bodyguard’ may well take the risk\* > [@](#): > > You may protect one player of your choosing each Night, but if that person gets attacked you will die saving them. If a killer aims at the protectee, they will get the protector instead. and the next round they will have a free shot at the formerly protected player with the knowledge that they were important enough to protect. If a killer aims at the protector the protector will be killed. There seems to be no down side to leaving that switch ON Note to switchers- research your power target. ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/779 "2017-01-21T18:34:49Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > That would depend on what the third party’s win condition is. If **Crys** is being honest, then we know what the Cult’s win condition is, and when it would trigger. If she’s not being honest (and is presumably an exclusive win-stealer), then we have no idea of either, beyond knowing that whatever the win condition is, it’s something that can trigger before Town or either Scum hit their wincon. Or are you stating that you think Crys is telling mixed truth and is 3rd party with an exclusive wincon and that wincon is not survival in nature? That changes things considerably. Even so, I don’t think it’s an issue that town needs to address on D2 with 5 dead town and no dead scum. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
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