# Mafia Reunion - Day Two **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [January 17, 2017, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425 "2017-01-17T22:20:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 44
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/861 "2017-01-22T03:15:59Z")
> [@Crys75](#): > > I’m not a survivor you will see eventually. I’m just completely frustrated by this at this point. I apologized for my errors of posting while stoned. I even did some scum hunting and made a few posts on why I think brewha is scum/wolves. I’ve shared my pm, wincon, My PM was word for word almost identical to Captains. Idk what else to do. I have botched this game for myself. I’m hoping my death/sacrifice to the wolves will make things easier for the rest of the Lutha. I’m done posting now 🙂 see you all on reveal. Well your certainly a cultists, by your own admission, which I believe. So without a clear cut scum to murder, you gotta go. Which is too bad because even though I’ve only played 1 other game with ya, I’m sure you’re a weirdo. A weirdo I enjoy having around. ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/862 "2017-01-22T03:16:16Z")
I’m sorry, my internet connection has gone totally wonky. I am on a data plan and it used 3.2 GB this afternoon while I was reading the straightdope. I am now in a parking lot trying to get caught up and leeching off a store wifi. ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/863 "2017-01-22T03:17:39Z")
> [@brewha](#): > > This guy’s got it. > > Here’s the part that really makes this game a challenge. Normally, scum can snuggle up with townies since they know who’s not scum. They can agree with certain people and when those people are confirmed town, they can say " see! I knew it! I’m with that guy!" > > Not so in this town. The two scum factions know who is on their team - but dont’ know that anyone not on their team is necessarily town. > > Texcat and Chrys both seem unreasonably snuggly with me. I first thought they were scum trying to get on the good side of a townie - since I know I am. But if either of them were mafia or wolf - there is no way for them to know I’m not a part of the other scum faction. In this post you seem to have a pretty good grasp of what scum might be going through… and yet in your previous post you imply not realizing how scum would have knowledge of a switch without having a switch. I don’t see how you can do both. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/864 "2017-01-22T03:18:51Z")
> [@Hockey\_Monkey](#): > > \*\*Brewha \*\*is a liar and liars must be lynched. If he’s not a 3P then he’s scum. You just lied. If anyone believes what you wrote, you should be the next on the gallows. I’m not 3rd party and I’m not scum. I’m vanilla townie. And now, you’re as much of a liar as I am. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/865 "2017-01-22T03:20:12Z")
BTW, turning off Javascript was the answer to those 'orrible redirects and shit ads (and nefarious data gobbling). The downside is that spoiler tags don’t own and multi quotes don’t work. And also you have to remember to re-enable it for porn viewing. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/866 "2017-01-22T03:23:29Z")
\*\*Fixed and updated vote count. I think this is right. 🙂 VOTE COUNT 1 – brewha (17 votes) – Chronos (538), Biotop (543), Boozahol Squid (556), Cometothe…Cookies (575), sachertorte (576), bufftabby (622), Drain Bead (638), raventhief (646), paulwhoisaghost (702), Khameleon (716), Lakai (720), HookerChemical (722), Meeko (726), ToeJam (730), crys(743), Johnnyb(767), Profpepper(794) 2- Crys75 (10 votes) – Sunny Daze (568), Hockey Monkey (584), DiggitCamara (588), AngeloftheNorth (595), Texcat (639), Captain Klutz (640), snfaulkner (641); jsgodess(795), Hawkeyeop(803), Zeriel(860) Pleonast (2 votes) – Lightfoot (288), Thing Fish (297) PLAYERS WITH ONE VOTE: ToeJam (Idle Thoughts – 32); Hockey Monkey (Hoopy Frood – 665); Texcat (Plumpudding – 68); Thing Fish (Pleonast -121); Chronos (Nanook – 151); sachertorte(brewha - 806); snfaulkner(1)(koldanar -819) * * * With the current vote count, brewha, and only brewha, will be lynched. 17 votes are required for the second place vote-getter to die. Day 2 will end at 3:00PM Eastern Standard Time tomorrow (Sunday, January 22), or in about 28 hours. As a friendly reminder, all Day actions must be submitted by this time. As always, there are no powers that affect the vote count. Any apparent irregularities are the result of moderator error.\*\* ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/867 "2017-01-22T03:24:14Z")
> [@Crys75](#): > > I’m not a survivor you will see eventually. I’m just completely frustrated by this at this point. I apologized for my errors of posting while stoned. I even did some scum hunting and made a few posts on why I think brewha is scum/wolves. I’ve shared my pm, wincon, My PM was word for word almost identical to Captains. Idk what else to do. I have botched this game for myself. I’m hoping my death/sacrifice to the wolves will make things easier for the rest of the Lutha. I’m done posting now 🙂 see you all on reveal. This confuses me a little - I would have characterized your cult (and I think I already did) as a cult of survivors. As long as one of you survives to the end, you win with whoever else wins. According to you. Now, I see nothing weird about you picking someone randomly. In the Game of Discworld Lovers (my 1st game) we had to find our lovers. The first night, I thought I had seen a breadcrumb, and I was wrong. So after that I struck out randomly. It seems like the LUTHA would be able to breadcrumb pretty easily, becasue the rest of us didn’t know they even existed. But I get the randomness too. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/868 "2017-01-22T03:24:44Z")
This post was quoted a couple of times and I didn’t think about it hard enough the first time. > [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > Bolding mine. > > I’m leaning toward a theory where Crys is telling the truth and Brewha is a lying scum who doesn’t actually have the switch she claims and was hoping for a town counterclaim. That way they take out the townie… and maybe Brewha is in hot water, but if they aren’t actually holding that switch, scum would have gained sole control of the Batswitch. Wait. Why would Town counterclaim? There are two switches. If scum is holding one of them, only one Townie has a switch and would have no reason to counterclaim someone else claiming to have a switch. The only thing that makes sense for a counterclaim is if two people currently have Batman switches other than brewha, but if that were true, what would brewha be gaining by claiming and how would the other people know there was more than one of them? They’d only know that if they were on the same scum team, which wouldn’t be brewha’s team, because it wouldn’t make sense for brewha to claim in order to out the other switch holder if both were on his scum team. I don’t think your theory makes sense. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/869 "2017-01-22T03:28:13Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > Are you really trying to say that you don’t realize that scum could communicate with each other, so all scum would have access to switch PMs through their fellow scum? > > I’m sorry, but this “town slip” is a little hard to swallow given your current predicament. > > Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk > [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > You can’t parse my posts because I use ellipsis to show pauses in my actual thought process while I post? I’m not drunk, you seem to be the only player having trouble following my logic or understanding my posts, and you are bordering on being insulting and derogatory. > > Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk Sorry. When you can’t comprehend that there are two different scum factions that do not communicate with each other, I’ll tend to be a bit insulting. You’re voting to lynch a vanilla town based on essentially nothing. Please learn from your mistakes and stop killing town. It’s my only chance of winning this game. ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/870 "2017-01-22T03:28:33Z")
> [@brewha](#): > > You just lied. > > If anyone believes what you wrote, you should be the next on the gallows. > > I’m not 3rd party and I’m not scum. I’m vanilla townie. And now, you’re as much of a liar as I am. Are you being serious? Do you not see a difference between lying and being wrong? It’s only lying if he doesn’t actually belive what he is saying. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/871 "2017-01-22T03:29:36Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > This post was quoted a couple of times and I didn’t think about it hard enough the first time. > > Wait. Why would Town counterclaim? There are two switches. If scum is holding one of them, only one Townie has a switch and would have no reason to counterclaim someone else claiming to have a switch. The only thing that makes sense for a counterclaim is if two people currently have Batman switches other than brewha, but if that were true, what would brewha be gaining by claiming and how would the other people know there was more than one of them? They’d only know that if they were on the same scum team, which wouldn’t be brewha’s team, because it wouldn’t make sense for brewha to claim in order to out the other switch holder if both were on his scum team. > > I don’t think your theory makes sense. I wish this site just had a “like” button. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/872 "2017-01-22T03:33:01Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > Are you being serious? Do you not see a difference between lying and being wrong? It’s only lying if he doesn’t actually belive what he is saying. > > Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk Wait. So, you’re saying that his belief that I’m scum is wrong?!? Why would you say that?!? If you think I’m not town -there is no reason to even address my post. Dude, are you sure you’re sober? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/873 "2017-01-22T03:38:50Z")
I have no idea how many switches there are. But here’s what I am pondering at the moment. It has been hypothesized that there could be as many - or maybe more!- 28 switches, right? It seems somewhat logical that opposing factions would hold the switches to any given power. I dont know how the math works, but it strikes me as a bit odd that a townie would hold the switch to a town power. The only way to explain that is that a mandatory vig could be a detriment to Town, so maybe put that power into town hands, at least partially. I have not played another game with switches, but I think someone said in a previous Maha game, the switch was passed on to someone else upon death. That seems like a logistical nightmare. Can someone confirm that? If that happens, it might be additional info \*someone \*gains from brewha and/or crys’s death(s). ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/874 "2017-01-22T03:40:11Z")
> [@brewha](#): > > Wait. So, you’re saying that his belief that I’m scum is wrong?!? Why would you say that?!? > > If you think I’m not town -there is no reason to even address my post. Dude, are you sure you’re sober? 😕 Wait, so are you saying you don’t seen a difference between lying and being wrong? ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/875 "2017-01-22T03:42:56Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > This post was quoted a couple of times and I didn’t think about it hard enough the first time. > > Wait. Why would Town counterclaim? There are two switches. **If scum is holding one of them, only one Townie has a switch and would have no reason to counterclaim someone else claiming to have a switch.** The only thing that makes sense for a counterclaim is if two people currently have Batman switches other than brewha, but if that were true, what would brewha be gaining by claiming and how would the other people know there was more than one of them? They’d only know that if they were on the same scum team, which wouldn’t be brewha’s team, because it wouldn’t make sense for brewha to claim in order to out the other switch holder if both were on his scum team. > > I don’t think your theory makes sense. I bolded the part where we disagree. By the logic of that statement, a townie who holds a switch would be under the impression scum hold the other switch. If someone then claims to have that switch, wouldn’t they conclude that claimant is scum? > [@](#): > > If scum is holding one of them, only one Townie has a switch and would have no reason to counterclaim someone else claiming to have a switch. Only one townie has a switch, but he would have no reason to counter a claim of town with the same switch? Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/876 "2017-01-22T03:43:21Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > I have not played another game with switches, but I think someone said in a previous Maha game, the switch was passed on to someone else upon death. That seems like a logistical nightmare. Can someone confirm that? The one switch-based Mahaloth- branded game I played, that is incorrect. The switch died with the player. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/877 "2017-01-22T03:44:00Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > The one switch based Mahalo the branded game I played, that is incorrect. The switch died with the player. Thanks. I suspected I was misremembering it. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/878 "2017-01-22T03:45:01Z")
Nate, buddy, you know someone is gonna question your edit. Again. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/879 "2017-01-22T03:47:38Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > Nate, buddy, you know someone is gonna question your edit. > > Again. Thats at least three. Apparently edits are kosher in this game. Had I known that, I would have edited out that simple phrase and we wouldn’t have wasted a day focused on lynching town. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/880 "2017-01-22T03:48:28Z")
New phone. And the unfamiliar predictive autofuckups keep trying to send nefarious scum codes to the resistinsurgenscums. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425.md?page=43) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425.md?page=45)