# Mafia Reunion - Day Two **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [January 17, 2017, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425 "2017-01-17T22:20:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 47
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 8:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/921 "2017-01-22T08:06:08Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > My issue is that we know we can’t trust her to always be voting pro town. No, but we can trust the 3rd party to be playing to win. That’s enough for right now. They have no reason at this time for LUTHA not to help the biggest group, Town. If they don’t help us, we have an easy remedy. And now I have to go to bed. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 8:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/922 "2017-01-22T08:07:45Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > Hugs! Hey **sachertorte** , don’t push it. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 8:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/923 "2017-01-22T08:09:01Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > If it is votes you are worried about, we could always not vote. or at least not be deciding votes. > Whatever the vote, you know that our votes are from third parties and do not have knowledge of scum identities. It’s hard to intentionally vote pro-scum when we don’t know who scum are. Oh, I wasn’t accusing you weirdos of having pis. But I will constantly wonder if you guys aren’t secretly motivated differently than you say. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 8:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/924 "2017-01-22T08:09:26Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > Hey **sachertorte** , don’t push it. Fine. No hugs for you. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 8:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/925 "2017-01-22T08:11:05Z")
Also, I think one of you claimed cultists needo to be murder killed by death so as to see what info your flip provides. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 8:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/926 "2017-01-22T08:13:41Z")
How much time is left? 12ish hrs? ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 8:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/927 "2017-01-22T08:18:20Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Oh, I wasn’t accusing you weirdos of having pis. But I will constantly wonder if you guys aren’t secretly motivated differently than you say. Yes. you will. There is no denying that and there isn’t anything we can do about it beyond playing as transparently as possible. I wish there was something we could do to prove ‘something’ but we can’t. You’re just going to have to consider whether or not it is worth it to you to use resources to kill a Third Party. You certainly can, but our numbers count against the scum win-condition. Killing off the cultists advances the scum win condition. Of course, from my perspective, I don’t even know if you are Town or not, so your motives are suspect too. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 8:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/928 "2017-01-22T08:20:03Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > No, but we can trust the 3rd party to be playing to win. That’s enough for right now. They have no reason at this time for LUTHA not to help the biggest group, Town. If they don’t help us, we have an easy remedy. > > And now I have to go to bed. Interesting point. I’ll mull it over a bit. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 8:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/929 "2017-01-22T08:38:26Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > Fine. No hugs for you. Fwiw, I’m cool with hugs. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 8:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/930 "2017-01-22T08:49:58Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > How much time is left? 12ish hrs? [linky](https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/election?iso=20170122T15&p0=77&msg=End+of+Day+2&font=hand) ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 8:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/931 "2017-01-22T08:54:56Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > [linky](https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/election?iso=20170122T15&p0=77&msg=End+of+Day+2&font=hand) Thanks. So Sunny D. I know this your first game and all, but maybe a fresh perspective is what I need. I haven’t had too much experience with 3rd party factions other than like a lone serial killer. How are you feeling about this whole slaying of a possible scum/possible townie vs a claimed possibly harmless 3rd party? ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 8:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/932 "2017-01-22T08:58:52Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Also, I think one of you claimed cultists needo to be murder killed by death so as to see what info your flip provides. What might we learn, really? Anything useful? I’m struggling with this. If it’s useful, then this makes sense. If it’s “Crys75 was a Lutha Cultist”, then we haven’t gained anything, and we’ve potentially lost a scum death. OTOH, knowing who they are narrows the pool to hunt for scum now, doesn’t it? What proofs can we ask for that would help us trust the Lutha (or at least work with them for now)? We’re 5 deaths in, and we’re not learning much, so I’m worried about this. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 9:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/933 "2017-01-22T09:02:40Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > What might we learn, really? Anything useful? I’m struggling with this. If it’s useful, then this makes sense. If it’s “Crys75 was a Lutha Cultist”, then we haven’t gained anything, and we’ve potentially lost a scum death. OTOH, knowing who they are narrows the pool to hunt for scum now, doesn’t it? What proofs can we ask for that would help us trust the Lutha (or at least work with them for now)? > > We’re 5 deaths in, and we’re not learning much, so I’m worried about this. Yeah, that’s an issue we cant know until the filet-o-cultist happens. Which I think we need to find out sooner than later. But man, I’d really rather kill ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 9:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/934 "2017-01-22T09:05:28Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > What might we learn, really? Anything useful? I’m struggling with this. If it’s useful, then this makes sense. If it’s “Crys75 was a Lutha Cultist”, then we haven’t gained anything, and we’ve potentially lost a scum death. OTOH, knowing who they are narrows the pool to hunt for scum now, doesn’t it? What proofs can we ask for that would help us trust the Lutha (or at least work with them for now)? > > We’re 5 deaths in, and we’re not learning much, so I’m worried about this. Yeah, that’s an issue we cant know until the filet-o-cultist happens. Which I think we need to find out sooner than later. But man, I’d really rather kill filth. But then, ugh, whose the filth? Right now I think we should double kill toe jam and crys. I don’t believe brewha is scum. But the way the votes are going, I think I need to keep my vote on crys. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 9:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/935 "2017-01-22T09:06:30Z")
Ooo, that’s a new one. Double and a half posts! ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 9:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/936 "2017-01-22T09:09:00Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > ~~snip~~ > > I will look SERIOUS askance at any one-off voters and non-voters who do not elect to move votes in such a way as to ensure we have a multi-lynch today. \*\*Sach \*\*is right–town benefits from it. I am not about to vote for a case I can’t see. When/If we discover that they were not Scum - what will you have to say then? ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 9:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/937 "2017-01-22T09:12:25Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Thanks. > > So Sunny D. I know this your first game and all, but maybe a fresh perspective is what I need. I haven’t had too much experience with 3rd party factions other than like a lone serial killer. How are you feeling about this whole slaying of a possible scum/possible townie vs a claimed possibly harmless 3rd party? Well, I’ve got none, so you got me on experience. These guys sound better than a serial killer. What follows will be my rambling thoughts. Under the win conditions, they are evaluated last, as I understand it, unless there’s something hidden. I’d like to compare the PMs from Crys and Sachertorte, but we can’t trust that they haven’t edited them. Still, worth a look. For now, if we know who they are, we can see how they vote, or even direct their vote (is that allowed?) and that could be a big positive for town. It narrows the pool hunting for scum, which could also be a big positive. The risk might come up late in the game, when numbers are smaller, and the group could swing the balance by switching to scum. I think there was an earlier post where someone did some earlier modeling about how likely or unlikely this was, based on the percentages of the groups, but it’s a possibility. Open questions: How many of them are there? Are they non-hostile? Are the win conditions as actually stated? My gut is that if we believe that they’re non-hostile, it’s better to have them around and out in the open now, when town can gain the most benefit from their actions. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 9:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/938 "2017-01-22T09:19:09Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Yeah, that’s an issue we cant know until the filet-o-cultist happens. Which I think we need to find out sooner than later. But man, I’d really rather kill filth. But then, ugh, whose the filth? > > Right now I think we should double kill toe jam and crys. I don’t believe brewha is scum. But the way the votes are going, I think I need to keep my vote on crys. Well, I don’t think it helps you with your conundrum, but I’m seriously considering moving my vote to **ToeJam**. I’m still convinced he’s scum. If you vote **ToeJam** , then that’s the filth. Crys was always going to be the second “maybe” lynch anyway. Right now that’s not looking likely. ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 9:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/939 "2017-01-22T09:21:34Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > **brewha** ’s switch claim as some sort of Scum team gambit is a possibility. But that seems unlikely the more I think about it. A single player screwing up makes so much more sense. > > It feels like it is almost too late to do anything now. We can’t even get a number of our players to vote for anyone at all. Grr. And I won’t be around at EOD Sunday due to work. More grr. > > Oh well, let’s give it a shot anyway. > > [Colod]**unvote brewha [/color]** > > [Cololue]**Vote Toejam [/color]** > > Did anyone buy his “Oh golly I was almost lynched what a surprise” post? I didn’t. I have a problem with this. You think it’s more likely a vanilla townie made a mistake than a scum did? As a player aren’t you just as likely to make a mistake no matter what your role? You concede it’s probably to late to change anything, but cast a one off vote and mention you won’t be back. If you think it’s too late why wouldn’t you want you vote to remain on Brewha where the record would show you played a part in his death? Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 9:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/940 "2017-01-22T09:25:14Z")
> [@Captain\_Klutz](#): > > Why are you voting **brewha** over **Crys**? > > ~ > > If she flips hostile third party or scum then her defence of him is significant. > > If she flips non hostile third party then the implications for brewha are less clear. > > Either way, you can’t use Crys desire to save him as evidence without knowing something about Crys. > > So, why are you voting brewha over Crys? I bet you a dollar and a half that the ’ flip’ will not contain any information about hostile/non hostile alliances. that would Mod confirm future cultist (if/when they choose to out themselves) And I don’t think any Mod would do that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425.md?page=46) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425.md?page=48)