# Mafia Reunion - Day Two **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [January 17, 2017, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425 "2017-01-17T22:20:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 49
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/961 "2017-01-22T13:41:13Z")
> [@BillMC](#): > > But why did brewha feel the need to apparently fabricate a description of his switch - the mods have said they all behave the same. I really don’t follow Brewha’s logic, the only thing in his favour is him coming forward to clarify the fact that the scum don’t hold all the town switches…but that clarification is only true if brewha is town. Did he fabricate a description? Klutz’s quote looks like mods confirmed the PMs are different but say the same thing ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/962 "2017-01-22T13:43:24Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > Did he fabricate a description? Klutz’s quote looks like mods confirmed the PMs are different but say the same thing dumb question?maybe. has anyone checked to see if the PMs were sent by different Mods? ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/963 "2017-01-22T13:44:47Z")
NETA your question is not dumb, Guiri. Mine might be ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/964 "2017-01-22T13:46:01Z")
Now I’ve caught up, and will happily reinstate my D1 vote on ToeJam if that gains more traction than snfaulkner ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/965 "2017-01-22T13:50:26Z")
Ughh… Okay, I’ve read all of toDay… Sorry I’ve been away for a while, busy at school. So, two claimed 3P, Crys75 and sachertorte. Brewha claimed a batman switch and Captain Klutz claimed a [redacted] scumrole switch. Lots of blather about switches, lots of half-baked plans involving switches and whatnot. Crys75: Very confusing claim, seems confused him/herself, especially regarding his/her own switch, was confused earlier about which other claim corresponded with his/hers. Blames medicine. Partly backed up by sachertortes claim. I think I’m gonna go ahead and believe this for now. brewha: Claimed batman switch, caught in a lie, claims nilla. I don’t see scummy reasons for this, but I don’t see any reason for this - other than he fucked up, I guess. Captain Klutz: Claimed a scumrole switch. I am so tired of switches… I hope everyone understands them by now (0/0 – on, 1/0 – off, 0/1 – off, 1/1 – on, right?). To me it feels like half a Day or more was wasted talking about them. I sort of feel Meeko. If you think it proved to be fruitful, good for you, I just felt it added a bunch of unecessary confusion. brewha rose to lynch-leader, with Crys75 in second. Now some people from both wagons have jumped onto ToeJam. I would like two lynches toDay. The more eliminations controlled by town, the better I think. Even better if they are out in the open. I realise it’s probably too late. But I’m up for it, though I don’t really feel brewha or Crys75. I could go along with a ToeJam lynch, also a Pleo lynch and of course TexCat. I prefer to vote my conscience, right now I’m not convinced to move to brewha or Crys. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/966 "2017-01-22T13:58:40Z")
Wow, I 100% missed the sachertorte cultist claim. It’s probably too late to lynch Sach and bear out my idea, though. ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/967 "2017-01-22T14:30:02Z")
Oh, so now we have a Sach-claim supporting Crys claim. Interesting. I am not a fan of lynching 3rd right away. So I’ll keep my vote on Brewha mainly because the lie only was admitted when called for it. The case would be very different to me, if Brewha had pointed it out before others did. Still very unsure why so many see ToeJam as Scum. But having spend all day just caching up, I am not going to be re-reading it right now. I did like Drain Breads case on TexCat as it was. But didn’t fact-check and so I think a vote in that directing - based on that post alone - would be really shallow. I know I didn’t contribute much toDay. Others did - and it made the read both very interesting and enlightening AND rather silly and with a bit too much “I said/you said” with out much substance. At one point I considered voting for players spamming the game like that… Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/968 "2017-01-22T14:48:02Z")
**@mods** Vote count way back in [866](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19939418&postcount=866) should have SNF with 2 votes. You missed the vote in 812. [@everyone](https://boards.straightdope.com/groups/everyone), \*\*Please check your votes. \*\* ```auto [quote="Johnny_Bravo, post:966, topic:777425"] Wow, I 100% missed the sachertorte cultist claim. It's probably too late to lynch Sach and bear out my idea, though. [/QUOTE] It's not clear to me what benefit lynching Sachertorte over Crys has. Can you explain? And now that Sachertorte has claimed, I am reconsidering my vote on Crys. I'm still not sure that leaving 3rd parties alive is a good thing, but it seems less likely that they are malevolent now. ``` ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/969 "2017-01-22T14:49:04Z")
> [@Captain\_Klutz](#): > > I think that **brewha** is a terrible lynch for toDay. While “lynch all liars” is the best of the policy votes, it is not absolute. In this case he lied to conceal that he held a switch. That is not a totally unreasonable thing to do, but it has backfired rather badly. > > For those that are concerned about the PM mismatch, see my post #902 (okay, you may think that I made up that PM to the mods - there is no way to prove it’s genuine). > > For those you think it is a scum gambit to find the other Batman switch, I really can’t see how this works. I mean, if I am scum and have a Batman switch, I’m likely to assume that the other scum team hold the other switch. Then they would want me dead in order to get full control. So revealing yourself just makes you a target for the other scum team. > > In addition, if scum wanted to try such a gambit, why choose brewha? He has already indicated he does not have a switch, so why not pick someone else? > > Someone also suggested that it might me a gambit to get town cred. After all, lots of people regarded him as their “most likely townie”. But that doesn’t make real sense either. Remember there is another scum team - they now see someone who is not one of them, has a switch and is regarded as very likely town. That looks like a very big target. > > So no, I don’t agree with a brewha lynch toDay. This I agree with - for obvious reasons. And I’m usually on the wagon of lynch all liars - so I don’t know if I could be convinced to not vote me were the shoe on the other foot. It’s just frustrating when people vote without looking at these particular circumstances. A lie without scum motivation shouldn’t come with a death penalty. > [@Captain\_Klutz](#): > > (if he flips scum I am going to look really bad. So be it) You’re gonna come out of this looking squeaky clean. ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/970 "2017-01-22T14:49:07Z")
> [@Crys75](#): > > I’m curious about this answer also. > > Sent from my XT1526 using Tapatalk I can’t remember if this has been answered. If it has - could someone help me with an idea where to find it? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/971 "2017-01-22T14:49:53Z")
> [@Total\_Lost](#): > > I agree. The threads length in it self is daunting. Part of my problem with trying to keep up D2. As I have said - for that I am very sorry. > > I disagree. I think the soft claim was done so obviously and blatant, that any scum would want to stay as far away for septimus as possible. I can see townies vote because a soft-claim really isn’t enough to unvote/not vote in itself. IMO. > > I can try 🙂 > Since some of us read it as a soft claim and others as a sort of “slip” I was interested in learning if he did indeed soft claim or not. > > I’ve been reading for 4 hours and still only halfway through this day. > Will try to catch up but time is running out for me. > > I’m at the discussion regarding the Brewha-Batman-plan and thinking it more an academic discussion with a lot of what-if. > Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I guess I’m confused on why you think that distinction wouldn’t mean anything to the game. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/972 "2017-01-22T14:52:07Z")
> [@Captain\_Klutz](#): > > I think that **brewha** is a terrible lynch for toDay. While “lynch all liars” is the best of the policy votes, it is not absolute. In this case he lied to conceal that he held a switch. That is not a totally unreasonable thing to do, but it has backfired rather badly. > > For those that are concerned about the PM mismatch, see my post #902 (okay, you may think that I made up that PM to the mods - there is no way to prove it’s genuine). > > For those you think it is a scum gambit to find the other Batman switch, I really can’t see how this works. I mean, if I am scum and have a Batman switch, I’m likely to assume that the other scum team hold the other switch. Then they would want me dead in order to get full control. So revealing yourself just makes you a target for the other scum team. > > In addition, if scum wanted to try such a gambit, why choose brewha? He has already indicated he does not have a switch, so why not pick someone else? > > Someone also suggested that it might me a gambit to get town cred. After all, lots of people regarded him as their “most likely townie”. But that doesn’t make real sense either. Remember there is another scum team - they now see someone who is not one of them, has a switch and is regarded as very likely town. That looks like a very big target. > > So no, I don’t agree with a brewha lynch toDay. > > (if he flips scum I am going to look really bad. So be it) I guess I just don’t see the point of the lie. Instead of saying “I don’t have a switch,” why not just say nothing at all on that point? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/973 "2017-01-22T14:55:05Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > I guess I’m confused on why you think that distinction wouldn’t mean anything to the game. > Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I don’t think it will give us much data now. I believe it was an intentionally soft claim trying to avoid a lynch. Mostly because he said that he feared being mis-lynch and wasn’t as afraid of being target of Scum. I said so at the time. Others didn’t seem to want to say how they read it - and so I saw little to no point in talking to myself. How did you read it? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/974 "2017-01-22T14:58:19Z")
> [@Total\_Lost](#): > > I don’t think it will give us much data now. I believe it was an intentionally soft claim trying to avoid a lynch. Mostly because he said that he feared being mis-lynch and wasn’t as afraid of being target of Scum. > > I said so at the time. Others didn’t seem to want to say how they read it - and so I saw little to no point in talking to myself. > > How did you read it? > Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I can see it both ways, but lean toward hurried Town power role slip, which is why I thought CK looked scummy for the timing of that vote. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/975 "2017-01-22T14:58:29Z")
\*\*VOTE COUNT brewha (17 votes) – Chronos (538), Biotop (543), Boozahol Squid (556), Cometothe…Cookies (575), bufftabby (622), Drain Bead (638), raventhief (646), paulwhoisaghost (702), Khameleon (716), Lakai (720), HookerChemical (722), Meeko (726), crys(743), Johnnyb(767), Profpepper(794), billmc(947), TotalLost(956) Crys75 (10 votes) – Sunny Daze (568), Hockey Monkey (584), DiggitCamara (588), AngeloftheNorth (595), Texcat (639), snfaulkner (641); jsgodess(795), Hawkeyeop(803), Zeriel(860), Scathach(959) ToeJam(5)- Idle Thoughts(32), biotop(909), sachertorte(913), captainklutz(950), sinjin(955), Pleonast (2 votes) – Lightfoot (288), Thing Fish (297) snfaulkner(2): guiri(812), koldanar (819) PLAYERS WITH ONE VOTE: ; Hockey Monkey (Hoopy Frood – 665); Texcat (Plumpudding – 68); Thing Fish (Pleonast -121); Chronos (Nanook – 151); sachertorte(brewha - 806); \*\* **Brewha is up for the lynch currently. No second lynch at this point. 17 votes needed for that.** ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/976 "2017-01-22T14:58:48Z")
I felt Crys was the most anti-town of the brewha, Captain Klutz, Crys triad because I felt there was such weirdness in the claim. I think I mentioned that I was cognizant of the point that 3rd parties can be a mislynch for Town because it can advance the scum win condition, even when the 3rd parties are hostile. I voted for Crys despite that, but now am going to **Unvote Crys** because I think I was wrong. But I’m not in love with the ToeJam case, at all. I went back to my first post in this thread where we laid out our D1 suspicions and frankly my D1 cases are not very compelling, but one name stood out to me. Pleonast. I said in my earlier post that I couldn’t remember exactly what Pleonast had done, so I went back and took a look. I haven’t written the post out, but I think I feel okay about **Vote Pleonast**. His posts on talking about scum powers, his interactions with Normal Phase, the scum board conversations posts, and (weakly) the near lurking all add up to hinkiness for me. If we strongly feel as a group that we must go for a double lynch, I might be persuadable. But since I’m leaning toward brewha being Town and Crys being non-hostile 3rd party, I’m not sure what logic there would be in my helping to lynch them. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/977 "2017-01-22T14:58:54Z")
(Unofficial VOTE COUNT, E&OE) **brewha** (17): Chronos (538), Boozahol Squid (556), Cometothe…Cookies (575), bufftabby (622), Drain Bead (638), raventhief (646), paulwhoisaghost (702), Khameleon (716), Lakai (720), HookerChemical (722), Meeko (726), ToeJam (730), crys(743), Johnnyb(767), Profpepper(794), BillMc(947), Total Lost (957) **Crys75** (10): Sunny Daze (568), Hockey Monkey (584), DiggitCamara (588), AngeloftheNorth (595), Texcat (639), snfaulkner (641); jsgodess(795), Hawkeyeop(803), Zeriel(860), Scathach (959) **ToeJam** (5): Idle Thoughts (32), biotop (909), sachertorte (913), CaptainKlutz (950), sinjin(955) **Pleonast** (2): Lightfoot (288), Thing Fish (297) **snfaulkner** (2): guiri(812), koldanar(819) **Texcat** (1): Plumpudding (68) **Thing Fish** (1): Pleonast (121) **Chronos** (1): Nanook (151) **Hockey Monkey** (1): Hoopy Frood (665) **sachertorte** (1): brewha (806) I think that leaves 8 non-voters: EnderW24 Hal Briston Inner Stickler MHaye Nesta Precambrian mollusc Red Skeezix Sario ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/978 "2017-01-22T15:02:17Z")
Meh, mods got there first, last time I’ll try that from my phone. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/979 "2017-01-22T15:08:36Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > I think that leaves 8 non-voters: > EnderW24 > Hal Briston > Inner Stickler > MHaye > Nesta > Precambrian mollusc > Red Skeezix > Sario I can’t help but feel that this game is broken because of a lack of participation. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/980 "2017-01-22T15:14:08Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > **VOTE COUNT** > > brewha (17 votes) – Chronos (538),[COLOR=“Green”] [del]Biotop (543-909)[/del], Boozahol Squid (556), Cometothe…Cookies (575), bufftabby (622), Drain Bead (638), raventhief (646), paulwhoisaghost (702), Khameleon (716), Lakai (720), HookerChemical (722), Meeko (726), ToeJam(730), crys(743), Johnnyb(767), Profpepper(794), billmc(947), TotalLost(956) > > Crys75 (10 votes) – Sunny Daze (568), Hockey Monkey (584), DiggitCamara (588), AngeloftheNorth (595), Texcat (639), snfaulkner (641); jsgodess(795), Hawkeyeop(803), Zeriel(860), Scathach(959) > > ToeJam(5)- Idle Thoughts(32), biotop(909), sachertorte(913), captainklutz(950), sinjin(955), > > Pleonast (2 votes) – Lightfoot (288), Thing Fish (297) > > snfaulkner(2): guiri(812), koldanar (819) > > PLAYERS WITH ONE VOTE: > ; Hockey Monkey (Hoopy Frood – 665); Texcat (Plumpudding – 68); Thing Fish (Pleonast -121); Chronos (Nanook – 151); sachertorte(brewha - 806);[/COLOR] > > **Brewha is up for the lynch currently. No second lynch at this point. 17 votes needed for that.** FTFY [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425.md?page=48) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425.md?page=50)