# Mafia Reunion - Day Two **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [January 17, 2017, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425 "2017-01-17T22:20:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/81 "2017-01-18T14:46:58Z")
> [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > You’re voting for him because he didn’t do his patented pointless direct Town claim in a timely enough fashion? What, you think **Idle** got a scum PM, and then sat around for several days trying to work himself up the nerve to lie? Do you want to note anything else as inconsistent about his play? > > To be completely honest, I was more convinced by your OMGUS vote on me yesterday and that was an argument about _me_ and had nothing going for it other than I was a big meanie who wasn’t being generous enough with my interpretations of your words. You’re either scum grasping for straws and looking for any sort of opening, or you’re just dreadful at this. > > **vote: AngeloftheNorth** Yup. Besides me who else do you suspect? ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/82 "2017-01-18T14:48:29Z")
(The “Yup” is meant purely sarcastically, for those of you who don’t know me.) ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/83 "2017-01-18T14:50:21Z")
I’m on the fence about Prof. P- I’m not feeling him be scummy but he’s fooled me every single time he’s been scum. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/84 "2017-01-18T14:50:29Z")
\*\* **DAY TWO VOTE COUNT** If the vote count is wrong, it’s because we hate you and want you to check it yourself. Uh, there are no powers affecting vote count, so take a look at your vote for accuracy. Toejam(3) - raventhief(31), Idle Thoughts(32), SunnyDaze(34) Idlethoughts(1) - Angelofthenorth(44), Captain Klutz(1) - Drainbead(45) Sario(1) - ProfessorPepperwinkle(46) Angelofthenorth(2)- Zeriel(60), Boozahol(80) Texcat(1) - Plumpudding(68) Toejam is the leader and would be lynched if nothing changed. No second lynch has been reached at this point. 17 votes are required for the second lynch. * * * :[COLOR=“DarkRed”]secretly hopes the vote total is wrong: \*\*[/COLOR] ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/85 "2017-01-18T14:52:01Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > It feels way more daunting than that, to me. Bah. > As for pointing fingers, I’ll say who I suspected from Day 1: > TexCat for the policy vote, which in my opinion was a potential way to hide motivation. > > Angel for the rules issue, which in my opinion was a potential way to hide motivation. > > Total Lost for, again in my opinion, trying to force a soft claim into a hard claim. > > Prof. Pepperwinkle for saying that he wouldn’t post much because he would only fluff but that we should lynch other people who don’t post much. > > Lakai for saying that he was trying to post in a way that wouldn’t lead to dying. > > Pleonast had weird interactions with a couple of people, though it’s hard for me to capture exactly what it was that pinged me. > > And essentially every person who said “Oh, X just plays that way” or “X wouldn’t do that” or similar posts. This post pings me because of the mention of Lakai. Lakai I is dead, why are you repeating your suspicion of him? I’ve only ever seen scum do this. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/86 "2017-01-18T15:02:32Z")
> [@Plumpudding](#): > > I’m not at all sensitive to her tells, I just generally feel intimidated by her. > > On your other point, I agree. She knows Colby, went ahead anyway and never commented on our doubts regarding the slip, due to foot-in-mouth syndrome or whatever it is called. me, intimidating? really. pshaw what are you saying in your third sentence? " went ahead anyway"- with what? and I did comment about Colby’s MO. ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/87 "2017-01-18T15:09:10Z")
Yeah, ever since you lambasted me for posting “Yo, peeps.”😃 Sorry, I was referring to TexCat, not you. She knows Colby, but went ahead and voted him anyway, for what many of us felt was pretty consistent with how we know Colby. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/88 "2017-01-18T15:35:10Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > I agree with your TexCat analysis here, primarily because she knows Colby’s syntax and started the train on him. > [@Plumpudding](#): > > On your other point, I agree. She knows Colby, went ahead anyway and never commented on our doubts regarding the slip, due to foot-in-mouth syndrome or whatever it is called. Yes, I have seen Colby screw up like this before, both as town and as scum. The fact that he tried to lurk it off and wait for our attention to move elsewhere is why my vote stayed on him. And I did comment several times about that. And then toward the end of the day, his attrocious vote on Brewha for announcing that he would be out of town was what sealed the deal for me. > [@jsgoddess](#): > > TexCat for the policy vote, which in my opinion was a potential way to hide motivation. > [snip] > And essentially every person who said “Oh, X just plays that way” or “X wouldn’t do that” or similar posts. And this post from jsgoddess is just wrong. Perhaps you don’t understand policy vote the same way that I do. Prof P voting for lurkers is a policy vote. He has no specific reason to think that they are scum, and is voting them mostly for being bad for the game or anti-town. I thought the wording from Colby was scummy. I thought the lurking after a few votes was suspicious. I thought his vote on Brewha was wretched. You clearly didn’t want me to just say that was Colby being Colby, like everyone else _now_ seems to think? ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/89 "2017-01-18T15:47:01Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > me, intimidating? really. pshaw > > what are you saying in your third sentence? " went ahead anyway"- with what? > and I did comment about Colby’s MO. She’s not talking about you in the third sentence, she’s talking about TexCat. (TexCat was my “other point.”) ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/90 "2017-01-18T15:49:37Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > And this post from jsgoddess is just wrong. Perhaps you don’t understand policy vote the same way that I do. Prof P voting for lurkers is a policy vote. He has no specific reason to think that they are scum, and is voting them mostly for being bad for the game or anti-town. You said you didn’t think Normal Phase actually did anything with scum motivation, but that you were going to vote for her anyway. If someone votes for someone they don’t have any reason to think is scum, I think that’s a lousy vote with poor motivation. Prof. P thinks (I think!) he’s more likely to hit scum by aiming at lurkers. I don’t know that he’s right, but that’s what he thinks (I think!). _You didn’t seem to think Normal Phase was more likely to be scum._ > [@](#): > > I thought the wording from Colby was scummy. I thought the lurking after a few votes was suspicious. I thought his vote on Brewha was wretched. You clearly didn’t want me to just say that was Colby being Colby, like everyone else _now_ seems to think? I don’t care if someone bases their own vote on how they read a person’s words. What bothers me is when someone says, what feels like “I’m vouching for this person to you because this person does X all the time.” I didn’t comment on your vote for Colby, to be clear. I didn’t have a problem with it. Yes, he turned out to be Town, but I thought the case on him was reasonable and had more than one bit of evidence for it. He said something weird, then reacted weirdly when called on it. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/91 "2017-01-18T15:53:04Z")
Coming to a sudden realization, that my playstyle is, has, hit a brick wall. I think our circle is still too wide, where as in smaller games, I could build further. Yes, the proportion of dead to live players is probably the same, as for any other day 2, but that doesn’t really help. The ratio falls off when we have to build cases on live players. I really don’t think that my level of posting … My activity, will make it to the finish\*, intact, at the current speed. \*Whenever that is. I’m just saying I think I’ve already botched my pacing here. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/92 "2017-01-18T15:59:27Z")
> [@Plumpudding](#): > > Format shamelessly stolen from Guiri (I think?). I’m going to call it the BGOW. Baby Gate Of Words. Not quite a wall, if one was to scroll past it, it would be easier to do so, than a wall. ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/93 "2017-01-18T16:00:24Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > Yes, I have seen Colby screw up like this before, both as town and as scum. The fact that he tried to lurk it off and wait for our attention to move elsewhere is why my vote stayed on him. And I did comment several times about that. And then toward the end of the day, his attrocious vote on Brewha for announcing that he would be out of town was what sealed the deal for me. > > And this post from jsgoddess is just wrong. Perhaps you don’t understand policy vote the same way that I do. Prof P voting for lurkers is a policy vote. He has no specific reason to think that they are scum, and is voting them mostly for being bad for the game or anti-town. > > I thought the wording from Colby was scummy. I thought the lurking after a few votes was suspicious. I thought his vote on Brewha was wretched. You clearly didn’t want me to just say that was Colby being Colby, like everyone else _now_ seems to think? Lurking after a few votes is also indicative of town Colby, IMO. To be fair it’s been a while since I’ve seen scum Colby, though. Your point on his vote is taken. JSGoddess’ post pings me in every way, including the reason you stated, the reason I stated, and the “potential motivation” comments. I’m trying to explain what I mean by this and I can’t find the right words. My comment about not reading the rules was taken as having the potential motivation of being a place to hide? As in it was expected that I said it and then might use it to justify bad behavior later? Only I never did any such thing. I think it’s patently ridiculous to vote me for something I didn’t do but might do. TexCat, OTOH, couldn’t know Colby is town in this game. She might possibly know he wasn’t on her scum team but she couldn’t know for sure what he was in this setup. So I fail to see a spurious “potential motivation” in her vote. (As I’m writing this I realize I forgot that myself- that she couldn’t know Colby was town- while being suspicious of TexCat. So it’s possible JSGoddess was just confused on that point.) ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/94 "2017-01-18T16:01:50Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > I’m a she. And I am saying he claimed late (it’s usually within one of the first few posts), contributed nothing but that claim, didn’t vote yesterday, and then came in with a “policy” vote on the person who is most likely to get a bandwagon today. > > Idle hates playing scum, and all of this is circumstantial evidence of being scum to me. Ah, sorry I misgendered you and mischaracterized what you were saying. I think I got the main gist though, that he’s not playing like himself. I tend to dislike using meta reasons for voting. ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/95 "2017-01-18T16:03:57Z")
> [@Hockey\_Monkey](#): > > Ah, sorry I misgendered you and mischaracterized what you were saying. I think I got the main gist though, that he’s not playing like himself. I tend to dislike using meta reasons for voting. No worries, just clarifying. ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/96 "2017-01-18T16:06:46Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > You said you didn’t think Normal Phase actually did anything with scum motivation, but that you were going to vote for her anyway. If someone votes for someone they don’t have any reason to think is scum, I think that’s a lousy vote with poor motivation. Prof. P thinks (I think!) he’s more likely to hit scum by aiming at lurkers. I don’t know that he’s right, but that’s what he thinks (I think!). _You didn’t seem to think Normal Phase was more likely to be scum._ > > I don’t care if someone bases their own vote on how they read a person’s words. What bothers me is when someone says, what feels like “I’m vouching for this person to you because this person does X all the time.” > > I didn’t comment on your vote for Colby, to be clear. I didn’t have a problem with it. Yes, he turned out to be Town, but I thought the case on him was reasonable and had more than one bit of evidence for it. He said something weird, then reacted weirdly when called on it. We were cross-posting, but this post makes me feel better about what you said about TexCat. I still don’t think your vote on me makes sense and it still bothers me that you’re reiterating suspicion of Lakai I today when he flipped town. ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/97 "2017-01-18T16:07:49Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > She’s not talking about you in the third sentence, she’s talking about TexCat. (TexCat was my “other point.”) https://www.youtube.com/embed/SaC5ZKRjLUM?feature=oembed&wmode=opaque ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/98 "2017-01-18T16:11:13Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Based on the vote record above, I’m officially FOSsing: > > Inner Stickler, RedSkeezix, Plumpudding, Light Foot, Koldanar, Scathach, AngeloftheNorth, Hockey Monkey, Drain Bead, Raventhief, Meeko, buffytabby, jsgoddess, Hoopy Frood, MHaye, nesta, ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies, Nanook of the North Shore > > Texcat, ToeJam, Hawkeye, brewha, Pleonast > > Johnny Bravo > > They all voted for a confirmed towner. Are they all scum? Certainly not. I’m willing to bet a large chunk of them are confused townies. I’m also wary of the one-off voters: > > Thing Fish, diggitcamera, Scathach First, This post is pinging me. You just put an “official FOS” on half the remaining players. I’ll bet my bottom dollar that there are several scum on the Colby train. The “slips” that people were latching onto were weak - I’m honestly surprised that he got as many votes as he did. I’ve been thinking about the difficulties that the double scumteam setup has been giving us. It lets each scum team do “real” hunting, which is troublesome. But it also means that any given train is more likely than normal to be riddled with scum, because the teams can’t coordinate with one another to keep the scum/train ratio low enough to be safe. Even though they get to hunt for real, they’re still working with a huge pool of “them” vs. a tiny pool of “us.”\* And it’s a larger “them” pool than it would normally be for a game this size. So what does that mean? I think it means that we can go after trains harder than we otherwise might. In other words, I think a **lynched townie** is likely to have more scum in the vote count than we might expect from a normal game. I also think that, at least for the moment, it’s helpful to think of scum as a single team with two independent cells rather than two teams with opposing victory conditions. \*From their perspective, not mine. Don’t lynch me for shifts in person, you pedantic jerks. ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/99 "2017-01-18T16:11:16Z")
[quote=“Plumpudding, post:97, topic:777425”] [/QUOTE] Sorry! 😄 ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2017, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/100 "2017-01-18T16:12:42Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > Yup. Besides me who else do you suspect? It’s a one vote game. Unless you’ve got a role to claim, I don’t need to come up with further suspicions. For the record, I’m generally distrustful of the group of voters that pushed the **Lakai** bandwagon at the eleventh hour yesterDay, though (q.v. my post #1116 from the Day One thread.) That’s where I’ll start if for some reason I start to think you’re not scummier than a frat house bathtub. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425.md?page=6)