# Mafia Reunion - Day Two **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [January 17, 2017, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425 "2017-01-17T22:20:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 50
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/981 "2017-01-22T15:28:10Z")
I really don’t like the way brewha was acting last night. But i can’t decide if it’s frustrated townie or pissed off scum. ---
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/982 "2017-01-22T15:31:40Z")
> [@Captain\_Klutz](#): > > I think that **brewha** is a terrible lynch for toDay. While “lynch all liars” is the best of the policy votes, it is not absolute. In this case he lied to conceal that he held a switch. That is not a totally unreasonable thing to do, but it has backfired rather badly. I’m voting **brewha** because I don’t like his explanation for the lie. I don’t believe it was a mistake to lie like that. It was a deliberate lie for some reason and because \*\*brewha \*\*is claiming it’s a mistake I think he is trying to cover up the reason. Why do you think it was not totally unreasonable for **brewha** to lie? I was suspicious for \*\*Crys \*\*because she claimed to save **brewha** for very odd reasons, which she now claims was a mistake. I believe it was a mistake because I can’t think of any other scenario where a claim to save \*\*brewha \*\*would make sense. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/983 "2017-01-22T15:36:48Z")
> [@Lakai](#): > > I’m voting **brewha** because I don’t like his explanation for the lie. I don’t believe it was a mistake to lie like that. It was a deliberate lie for some reason and because \*\*brewha \*\*is claiming it’s a mistake I think he is trying to cover up the reason. > > Why do you think it was not totally unreasonable for **brewha** to lie? > > I was suspicious for \*\*Crys \*\*because she claimed to save **brewha** for very odd reasons, which she now claims was a mistake. I believe it was a mistake because I can’t think of any other scenario where a claim to save \*\*brewha \*\*would make sense. I don’t see a plausible reason to post that lie in the first place. I still haven’t seen a good explanation of why he didn’t just say nothing at all on the switch subject. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/984 "2017-01-22T15:45:04Z")
> [@Lakai](#): > > I’m voting **brewha** because I don’t like his explanation for the lie. I don’t believe it was a mistake to lie like that. It was a deliberate lie for some reason and because \*\*brewha \*\*is claiming it’s a mistake I think he is trying to cover up the reason. I think if brewha has a switch, he could have felt like he was putting a target on his back by talking switches. The wicked flee where none pursueth, in a sense (as a reminder, I think brewha is probably Town). It’s easy in this game to feel very exposed if you know anything and feel like anything you say is giving yourself away. Someone mentioned upthread a good point, I thought. If brewha is on a scum team, why choose him as the switch claimant given his post? This on top of a lack of plausible (to me) motivation for the scum team to do it in the first place. That doesn’t mean they didn’t do that or couldn’t do that. It just doesn’t seem very _smart._ ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/985 "2017-01-22T15:50:56Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > I can’t help but feel that this game is broken because of a lack of participation. **I think only 3 players have not posted toDay. Not voting is not the same as not playing at all. With 50 remaining players, our participation is not perfect, but it is OK.** ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/986 "2017-01-22T16:00:27Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > I don’t see a plausible reason to post that lie in the first place. I still haven’t seen a good explanation of why he didn’t just say nothing at all on the switch subject. [Post 560](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19936225&postcount=560) YesterDay, Chronos speculated that the switches were held by opposite factions. Brewha knew that was not true. Brewha posted that he didn’t think that was a good assumption to make. (But added that he didn’t have any evidence.) I can see the townie motivation to not let bad assumptions continue. And I still don’t think that saying you don’t have evidence, when you are not ready to claim, is much of a lie. Obviously, YMMV. ---
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/987 "2017-01-22T16:07:35Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > I can’t help but feel that this game is broken because of a lack of participation. I think this goes back to the point that I and others have made about the size of the game. It’s at least double the size of a typical game, so numbers are going to feel magnified. So that’s more like 4 people without votes in a typical game. Not _great_, but not _broken_. It also feels like there’s a ton of votes on **Brewha** and **Crys** , but the latter doesn’t even have enough votes percentage-wise to be the second lynch. I don’t know why anyone seems shocked that 50+ players are generating a lot of discussion. The further we get into the game, the more manageable it will be. I think it’s incredibly unproductive to have continued discussion about what we view as the game’s faults, unless it’s something that can be successfully factored into our play. ---
**Author:** ![HookerChemical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/278dde/32.png) [@HookerChemical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HookerChemical)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/988 "2017-01-22T16:20:50Z")
I’ve been considering brewha. The lie is bad and anti-town, but I don’t find the need to lynch any button claimers compelling (or at least urgent - I suspect scum or the vigilante will sort some of this out for us). I feel there is some value in lynching a claimed cultist to confirm the role, but I don’t think there’s an urgency. **unvote all** Toejam is back, which means my initial reasons for not voting TJ are invalid. None of TJ’s posts today make me feel any better about TJ’s allegences, and TJ’s lynch will allow us to resolve more of D1 than any other lynch. **vote ToeJam** I still have suspicions about Pleonast. I’m also getting pings from snfaulkner. He doesn’t feel right this game. I have a suspicion that Chronos may be a cultist. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/989 "2017-01-22T16:34:50Z")
Won’t be on much today, and will miss EoD. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/990 "2017-01-22T16:35:56Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > ```auto > It's not clear to me what benefit lynching Sachertorte over Crys has. Can you explain? > > ``` On phone, bear with me. Sach may be scum posing as a cultist. If we lynch crys and she flips cultist, we still don’t know about Sach. If we Lynch Sach and he flips cultist, we confirm crys because cultist Sach wouldn’t have revealed off of an invented role claim. If crys flips scum, then sach is also scum because it means he’s claiming off of a faked role claim. The only way this breaks down is if cultists are real AND scum was for some reason given their PMs. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/991 "2017-01-22T16:44:08Z")
Considering everything, including the late night discussion which I will NOT repost on third-parties, I am also moving my vote. I will say that I am also of the belief that **Brewha** ’s lie while at at time when he was not yet ready to claim is not much of a lie. I wish he had been clearer when he did reveal BUT he did come forward, and the information is important. I will not vote Brewha. **Unvote Crys** **ToeJam** ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/992 "2017-01-22T16:57:45Z")
I’m starting to wonder about my vote on brewha. I would rather see brewha lynched than crys at this moment, but i am now unsure if unvoting brewha would put crys that much closer to the lynch. I think I’ll need to more closely look at the vote record before moving my vote. If i do, it will likely be tp toejam, as a modkill is no longer a possibility. Just about 3 hours to go. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/993 "2017-01-22T16:59:34Z")
Well, darn it all to heck! Seems like I have convinced just enough people to jump off the switch claimers to bring about my least desired outcome, a brewha monolynch. The more I think about it, the more it seems that Occam’s Razor points to brewha being Town. Now what? I will be watching Thing Spawn for the next few hours and probably won’t post much, but will follow and change my vote if it seems useful to do so. ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/994 "2017-01-22T17:03:21Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > again with the ‘one off vote’ comments > > if enough players make their honest vote. we get a better vote record. > > Not one player here should feel pressured to pick from your \* approved pool of lynchees. > You \*\* paul \*\* have mostly made sense to me so far this game but this portion of the thought process is wrong. > > I do not think \*\* Brewha or Crys \*\* should be lynched toDay so I will not be voting for either of them. period. > > - generic you I’m OK with people pursuing other leads… I’m not okay with voting for someone and leaving your vote there until there is less than 24 hrs left in the Day and they are the lynch leader, then unvote ng and casting a one off vote. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/995 "2017-01-22T17:04:00Z")
I make it 16-9-7, snfaulkner is not going anywhere, Toejam has a chance. **Unvote** **Vote Toejam** ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/996 "2017-01-22T17:10:21Z")
And ninjaed by 2 potential Toejam voters…let’s get this Chinese fire drill started! (5 minutes of profanity follows) Sorry, Mods, my phone just doesn’t want to let me do colors. Please count the following: \*\*unvote Pleonast Vote Toejam\*\* ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/997 "2017-01-22T17:12:59Z")
PS is that an offensive term? Apologies as necessary. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/998 "2017-01-22T17:13:03Z")
**Unvote Sachertorte** His 3rd party claim makes sense considering his behavior. **Vote ToeJam** Probably too little too late, but hope spring eternal, right? ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/999 "2017-01-22T17:15:04Z")
Well, sizing seems to work, so trying to make it easier for the Mods to catch: \*\*unvote Pleonast Vote Toejam\*\* ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/1000 "2017-01-22T17:20:23Z")
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