# Mafia Reunion - Day Two **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [January 17, 2017, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425 "2017-01-17T22:20:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 61
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/1201 "2017-01-23T21:39:13Z")
> [@Crys75](#): > > Neta and if scum were given our pms as cover it would be easy to plant their breadcrumbs > > Sent from my XT1526 using Tapatalk But your PM gave you a specific role (Second Deacon I think and Sach I think gave his number but I don’t remember what it is right now if he did). If a scum were to try to claim LUTHA membership wouldn’t they need to claim their number? Right now with all of you alive that will be ballsy as the real LUTHA member with that number would know they are lying scum. This is as far as I’ve gotten in my read today so forgive me if this has been addressed already. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/1202 "2017-01-23T21:54:10Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > Re: sach’s analysis of Toejam. He’s playing now, and I thought he did good analysis of the cult situation. I still have a slight scum lean on him, but I am not going to decide on Night Two that he can’t possibly be allowed to survive until endgame, and I’m not going to be gunning for him first thing Tomorrow. Yeah. I got a bit carried away. But the general idea is sound. ---
**Author:** ![Crys75](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3da27b/32.png) [@Crys75](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crys75)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/1203 "2017-01-23T22:03:20Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > It’s was Crys. > > @Sachertorte, I don’t think it’s unreasonable for me to be suspicious of your claim when a claimed cultist is also posing the possibility that you could be scum. > > Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk Well sachertorte COULD be scum. They have given nothing that I didn’t say first. So since sachertorte has claimed I feel the need to investigate just to be sure, not only for my piece of mind but for others as well. A few others want me not to investigate sachertorte and that is pinging me. I want to trust sachertortes claim however I think it’s best to find out for sure Sent from my XT1526 using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/1204 "2017-01-23T22:12:15Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > My low posting this last Day was due to RL events. Nothing too serious, but kept me from reading in depth. D3 I sincerely plan on posting more, with higher content. But I’m still voting for Sario initially. I’m not making a case against you… I think participation is a poor reason for voting someone, especially if your own participation has been light. That’s why I’m arguing against doing so. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/1205 "2017-01-23T22:36:51Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Just a point of order - I feel like discussing strategy while scum is discussing their nightkills may not be optimal. > [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > @Johnny Bravo: in this game, one scum team or the other is ALWAYS choosing who to kill. Exactly. Plus both teams can yap anytime they want, so why shouldn’t we? ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/1206 "2017-01-23T22:47:28Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > If you guys are going to lynch non-participants, scraping the bottom of the barrel is a bad plan… you should be looking at people who have posted but not contributed. > > Take Prof P for example… I haven’t seen much in the way of gameplay from him. He’s playing other thread games actively, but not posting cases in here. > > Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk I’m not so sure it is a bad plan. In a game this large it would be super easy for scum to lurk and stay out of trouble. And I don’t intend to _just_ look at post count, but I will start with it, then asses what people have said with their precious sprinkling of posts. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/1207 "2017-01-23T22:48:29Z")
NETA: It might not be the _best_ plan either, but I don’t think it is the worst. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/1208 "2017-01-23T22:59:20Z")
> [@Crys75](#): > > Well sachertorte COULD be scum. They have given nothing that I didn’t say first. So since sachertorte has claimed I feel the need to investigate just to be sure, not only for my piece of mind but for others as well. > > A few others want me not to investigate sachertorte and that is pinging me. I want to trust sachertortes claim however I think it’s best to find out for sure > > Sent from my XT1526 using Tapatalk I don’t think sachertorte has given a title. And it makes sense to validate his claim, ir one is able to do so. the only person that we are aware of with that ability is Crys. So crys, do what ya gotta do. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/1209 "2017-01-23T22:59:46Z")
An often overlooked advantage of lynching lurkers is that you aren’t lynching people who are likely to help Town solve the gsme. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/1210 "2017-01-23T23:08:59Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Exactly. Plus both teams can yap anytime they want, so why shouldn’t we? Seriously? They’re deciding who to kill. Talking about who we are and aren’t suspicious of just gives them more data to inform that decision. The fact that there are also daykills doesn’t mean we should actively contribute to what they end up deciding. What am I missing here? ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/1211 "2017-01-23T23:13:01Z")
> [@Hockey\_Monkey](#): > > But your PM gave you a specific role (Second Deacon I think and Sach I think gave his number but I don’t remember what it is right now if he did). If a scum were to try to claim LUTHA membership wouldn’t they need to claim their number? Right now with all of you alive that will be ballsy as the real LUTHA member with that number would know they are lying scum. This is as far as I’ve gotten in my read today so forgive me if this has been addressed already. I did not. I purposefully left that out so I could think about whether or not it makes sense. The only things I could think of were to be able to counter-claim a scum who false claims my number, but that isn’t going to happen because I don’t think scum will even try claiming cultist. Or if there is some nefarious role that needs certain cultists dead, but that’s the paranoia talking again. I am the First Deacon. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/1212 "2017-01-23T23:15:48Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Seriously? They’re deciding who to kill. Talking about who we are and aren’t suspicious of just gives them more data to inform that decision. The fact that there are also daykills doesn’t mean we should actively contribute to what they end up deciding. > > What am I missing here? Any one of us could wake up dead. Or two or more of us. Best to not take any thoughts to the grave, is my reasoning. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Klutz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captain_klutz/32/4993_2.png) [@Captain\_Klutz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Klutz)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/1213 "2017-01-23T23:28:55Z")
> [@Crys75](#): > > Yeah but this is partially for my own piece of mind. I would feel terrible if I allowed a scum to hide in the ranks of Lutha. But I’m willing to think about it. Tell me why I shouldn’t investigate sachertorte To me, both you and sachertorte are confirmed. Telling us toMorrorow that you have found that he is indeed a cultist does not really tell me anything new. The chances of him having lied about this are ridiculously small. Note that even if the scum were told about the cult and given a PM, they still wouldn’t be able to make a reliable false claim: there are 5 cultists and their roles are numbered from 1 to 5. Anyone trying to slip in among them will eventually be outed. If we end up with exactly 5 claimants then they can confirm each other. If we get more than 5 then again, their investigations can sort it out. And yes, those investigations would include sachertorte anyway. That is why I think you should keep your investigation in reserve, so you can save it for when it will be more useful. Anyway that is my opinion. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/1214 "2017-01-23T23:33:08Z")
> [@Crys75](#): > > Well sachertorte COULD be scum. They have given nothing that I didn’t say first. So since sachertorte has claimed I feel the need to investigate just to be sure, not only for my piece of mind but for others as well. > > A few others want me not to investigate sachertorte and that is pinging me. I want to trust sachertortes claim however I think it’s best to find out for sure Ugh. I thought we went over this. I did post information before your claim. Breadcrumbs, remember? Focus, crys, focus! Then you went all paranoid on me because of speculation that scum were given the third party role PM, but that same line of “reasoning” that allows you to think I ‘could’ be scum, also pokes holes in your cultist claim too, right? Don’t let the paranoia rule your life. Write stuff down Crys, and don’t get swept up in the moment. You are a bit too impressionable. Write stuff down and then make your own decision. ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/1215 "2017-01-23T23:42:51Z")
> [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](#): > > I’m sorry I missed the second of D2. There’s been a pair of deaths in my wife’s family, and it’s hard to concentrate on things right now. My condolences. ☹ {{{hugs}}} ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/1216 "2017-01-23T23:47:47Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Seriously? They’re deciding who to kill. Talking about who we are and aren’t suspicious of just gives them more data to inform that decision. The fact that there are also daykills doesn’t mean we should actively contribute to what they end up deciding. > > What am I missing here? With your reasoning, you would not chat in the Night so you wouldn’t draw the Night Kill- right? So it would follow that you won’t chat in the Day so you don’t draw the Day Kill. Your reasoning in this game holds no water Unless you are Mafia- then the Day Kill is no threat to you ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2017, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/1217 "2017-01-24T00:00:45Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Seriously? They’re deciding who to kill. Talking about who we are and aren’t suspicious of just gives them more data to inform that decision. The fact that there are also daykills doesn’t mean we should actively contribute to what they end up deciding. > > What am I missing here? Yes you do seem to be missing something. You don’t want to talk at Night because the wolves are deciding who to kill. By your same logic we shouldn’t talk during the Day either because the Mafia are deciding who to kill during Day. That leaves town with no time at which you feel it would be safe to talk. In case that still doesn’t make it clear… no matter when we talk we will be giving info to one scum group or the other during the same phase that they will be choosing who to kill. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2017, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/1218 "2017-01-24T00:13:44Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > With your reasoning, you would not chat in the Night so you wouldn’t draw the Night Kill- right? > So it would follow that you won’t chat in the Day so you don’t draw the Day Kill. > > Your reasoning in this game holds no water > > Unless you are Mafia- then the Day Kill is no threat to you Oh look at that… we said the same thing pretty much… my bad. > [@sachertorte](#): > > Ugh. I thought we went over this. I did post information before your claim. Breadcrumbs, remember? Focus, crys, focus! Then you went all paranoid on me because of speculation that scum were given the third party role PM, but that same line of “reasoning” that allows you to think I ‘could’ be scum, also pokes holes in your cultist claim too, right? Don’t let the paranoia rule your life. Write stuff down Crys, and don’t get swept up in the moment. You are a bit too impressionable. Write stuff down and then make your own decision. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2017, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/1219 "2017-01-24T00:16:00Z")
NETA sorry about the Sach quote… must have clicked on the post accidentally. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2017, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/1220 "2017-01-24T00:16:29Z")
> [@Crys75](#): > > Well sachertorte COULD be scum. They have given nothing that I didn’t say first. So since sachertorte has claimed I feel the need to investigate just to be sure, not only for my piece of mind but for others as well. > > A few others want me not to investigate sachertorte and that is pinging me. I want to trust sachertortes claim however I think it’s best to find out for sure > > Sent from my XT1526 using Tapatalk The breadcrumbs weren’t enough for you? If Scum were given the cover roles of a third party that actually exists in the game, the game is broken AF. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425.md?page=60) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425.md?page=62)