# Mafia Reunion - Day Two

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**Category:** Thread Games\
**Created:** [January 17, 2017, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425 "2017-01-17T22:20:08Z")\
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**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\
**Post date:** [January 19, 2017, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/284 "2017-01-19T19:02:44Z")

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Pleonast, I honestly don’t have any idea what your case against me is, and it doesn’t seem as though anyone else does either.

My case against you is as follows: in this Night Zero post:

> [@Mafia Reunion - NIGHT ZERO](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/234):
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> Skimming through the roles, I see a potential flaw: Scum are not informed of their teammates in their PMs. This gives the possibility of “ignorant” Scum who don’t know who their teammates are (since the mods don’t force someone to read the secret forums). Scum who can’t coordinate or even know who’s on their team are much harder for us to find.
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> Perhaps the game was balanced with this in mind. In any case, we should not expect Scum to know who’s on their own team.

it appears to me that you could be scum trying to persuade your teammates to adopt this strategy of not reading the scum boards and finding out who their teammates are, effectively playing as SKs. Failing that, to breadcrumb to them that you are the “missing” member of their team. I said that I couldn’t think of any reason for you to make that post if you were Town.

Then, you voted for me. I initially thought that you thought I had PIS because I assumed that _once the scum went on the scum board, they would find out who each other were._ I thought this was about the lamest case imaginable, but the more you try to explain it, the more confusing it gets.

Here’s your most recent attempt (snipped from omnibus post). I’ve bolded what appears to me to be the basic point you’re making.

> [@Pleonast](#):
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> There’s no information in saying that someone who does not read a secret board gains no information from it. That’s basic deduction: a player cannot know what’s on a secret board they haven’t read. And that deduction is completely independent of what’s on the board. Whether or not there’s information on the secret board, the player not reading it gains no information.
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> \*\ ***Thing Fish** has implicitly stated something else: that a player who has read the secret board does not know a particular piece of information. \*\*How can anyone who has no knowledge of the secret board know this? The information gained from reading a secret board is extremely dependent on what’s on that board. The only possible conclusion is that **Thing Fish** has knowledge of what’s on that board.
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> This is a clear-cut case of perfect information. It’s probably clear-cut enough that we should leave it to the Vigilante to take care of, since we’ll gain little information from lynching a self-revealed scum. But it’s good for an early vote in the Day.

I’m posting all this not to get **Pleonast’s** vote off me but to bring everyone’s attention once again to his scumminess. I don’t want to be one of those two guys with one-off votes on each other, but I will make this last attempt to get his wagon rolling before I move on.

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