# Mafia Reunion - NIGHT ZERO **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [January 4, 2017, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315 "2017-01-04T16:43:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/241 "2017-01-05T22:24:37Z")
Ah. Well it’s _always_ the case that a player could refuse to read a role pm beyond what faction/role he/she has. I thought you were saying that the setup could prevent scum from knowing who each other are. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/242 "2017-01-05T22:25:59Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > ~ > I am operating under the assumption that all scum know who each other are via the common communication board. If that is not the case, then I would classify such as “a hidden element of the scum PM,” which was explicitly disavowed by the moderators. not all ‘scum’ all mafia have an off board and all wolves have an off board ( the way I read it) ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/243 "2017-01-05T22:35:58Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > So a member of a scum team would choose to not visit the off board- and willingly ‘play blind’ > is that what you are saying? > > good for Town but poor scum form I think Yes. But bad for us and helpful to Scum. It’s much harder to kill off 14 third parties than 14 Scum. ---
**Author:** ![BillMC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3be4f8/32.png) [@BillMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BillMC)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/244 "2017-01-05T22:37:42Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Good point, for a claim under pressure. I don’t think I’d be much inclined to believe such a claim, either. But it’s also not uncommon for a third party to claim on their own (usually either very early, or when the third party believes it’ll be beneficial in some way). Holy smokes…200+ posts on night 0, going to be a challenging game to keep up with the volume of posts. Heck, even the google doc is a good read in its own right and its only the town and scum roles. Well I see Pleo already claimed nilla town, I guess we are just awaiting Idle to claim in a suitably large font. The literary style of the roles makes it relatively challenge for scum or a 3rd party to fabricate a role, but given the open set up, scum can easily claim a town role, and we’ve no idea what role or cover information 3rd parties may have been provided with. The Patsy is interesting "Well, you investigate as Scum if either the Seer or Homicide Detective target you (the Investigative Journalist will always receive accurate results regarding you). However, if you are lynched (but NOT if you are killed by Day or Night), you may make one reciprocal kill at your own discretion. " but ultimately they are only confirmed town if lynched or the journalist sticks their neck out. Tho I’d have to laugh if idle is the patsy. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/245 "2017-01-05T22:46:42Z")
**BillMC** , I’m not sure you fully grasp the implications of an open setup. Yes, Scum could claim any role on that list (including Patsy), but if they do, the real one can counterclaim, and then we’d know for certain that one of them is lying. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/246 "2017-01-05T22:48:23Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > Hm.:dubious: Derpclear attempt? I will throw out the ceremonial first FOS of the game! > > (Glossary: Derpclear: When a player appears Town (truly or otherwise) by asking a question that Scum would already know the answer to). Nonsense. Announcing that I was going to vote for hawkeyepoop up above was clearly a FOS equivalent. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/247 "2017-01-05T22:52:58Z")
Holy smokes is right… I’m not going to vote to lynch the lurker. I’m going to vote to lynch the fluffer. Too much to keep up with, even without any fluff. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/248 "2017-01-05T22:53:54Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > So a member of a scum team would choose to not visit the off board- and willingly ‘play blind’ > is that what you are saying? > > good for Town but poor scum form I think At least one player I know has claimed to, at least once, learn they were scum, ignore the scum board and who their teammates are and played Day 1 as if they were vanilla townie. The justification is that if they do bus a scum, it will read more naturally than if they knew they were bussing and if they do bus a scum, they get lots of townie cred. It’s not for me, but few things are. ---
**Author:** ![ToeJam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dfb087/32.png) [@ToeJam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ToeJam)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/249 "2017-01-05T23:03:40Z")
> [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > I say all the obvious things so you smart doctor types can work on the more difficult stuff. Give yourself some credit there, gumshoe. We’re going to need more than just the “smarties” to solve this case! -R ---
**Author:** ![HookerChemical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/278dde/32.png) [@HookerChemical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HookerChemical)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/250 "2017-01-05T23:09:01Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > I been peemed and I’m still of the opinion no-lynch is rarely a good idea. Agreed. No-lynch will not be pro-town. Town is moderately powerful, but not so much that I’d entertain a no-lynch. > [@ToeJam](#): > > Put me in the list of people who feel the Patsy should claim Day 1. If anything, it puts scum into an awkward position of do they want to pre-emptively claim patsy day 1 (in which case the Actual patsy can counter claim as this is an open setup), or (more likely) scum would stay silent, the actual patsy would claim their role, and then we can start the ball rolling on the day with the doctors having the WIFOM of dealing with Patsy and Scum WIFOMing to waste a kill on the patsy. Obv. the investigators and Vig should avoid Patsy, but then if things get closer to end game and the patsy’s still alive then we’ll see what’s up. Though in those cases, i feel like the Patsy would end up becoming a ScumKill likely by the scum team that feels that the Patsy is a false-claim by the other scum team. > > Basically- all in all- i’m pro-Patsy claiming Day 1, and then we should NOT lynch the Poor patsy day 1 either though. This seems reasonable to me. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/251 "2017-01-05T23:22:11Z")
> [@BillMC](#): > > Well I see Pleo already claimed nilla town, I guess we are just awaiting Idle to claim in a suitably large font. It’s nice to know that even in these divisive times, there are still some things that we can rely on. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/252 "2017-01-05T23:34:41Z")
> [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > So this made me think of what’s going on in the background, and why we wouldn’t be able to start yet. The only thing I can think of is setting up scum/3rd Party boards. I’m not very confident that I’ll get an answer to this, but I can’t see how it can hurt to ask if the Wolves and Mob are allowed to conspire before the game start. > > \*\* Do the Scum get to canoodle on Night Zero? \*\* I’m sorry, the only thing we could be doing is setting up boards? How incompetent do you think we are. Setting up boards takes like 5 seconds. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/253 "2017-01-06T00:04:19Z")
Holy crap. My poor brainz are already fried. **Sunny Daze** , you picked a doozy of a game for your first. I admire your guts. To not crud up the page with quotes, I’ll just hit the big issues and my brief thoughts on them. No lynch: I don’t see a good reason to do this this game. At least not yet. And it hurts my brainz to think about late game scenarios this early. Multi-Lynch: I am 100% FOR multi lynching as much as possible. For those unsure about it, go check out Mahaloth’s Hotel-of-Heros 3 over on Giraffeboard to get idea on how it works, and how we got it to work to our advantage (even if it was surprising). Concentrating on one scum faction over the other: I don’t see how we even could at this point yet. But if we smell a scum of any kind, there is no reason to not lynch them. Late game scenarios might require some weirdness, but again, brainzpainz. Not talking until Day1: That’s just rubbish. Blab away! Whiskey while curled up in the corner, surrounded by the corpses of your fallen brethren: Yes please. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/254 "2017-01-06T00:08:16Z")
NETA: Patsy claiming D1: I see good reasons FOR this to happen in this game, but I admit I’m not experienced enough to demand it from them. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/255 "2017-01-06T00:13:26Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > > [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > > > So this made me think of what’s going on in the background, and why we wouldn’t be able to start yet. The only thing I can think of is setting up scum/3rd Party boards. I’m not very confident that I’ll get an answer to this, but I can’t see how it can hurt to ask if the Wolves and Mob are allowed to conspire before the game start. > > > > \*\* Do the Scum get to canoodle on Night Zero? \*\* > > Hm.:dubious: Derpclear attempt? I will throw out the ceremonial first FOS of the game! > > (Glossary: Derpclear: When a player appears Town (truly or otherwise) by asking a question that Scum would already know the answer to). This made me :dubious: too. I second your FOS on Squid. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/256 "2017-01-06T00:17:17Z")
[HOH3 on Giraffe](http://www.giraffeboards.com/forumdisplay.php?f=41) Check out Day2/Night2 for multilynch fun. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/257 "2017-01-06T00:24:16Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > Holy smokes is right… > I’m not going to vote to lynch the lurker. I’m going to vote to lynch the fluffer. Too much to keep up with, even without any fluff. Well, hell. I am in trouble then! I have been called out in the last few games as being too fluffy. Must put on my serious face for this game! ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/258 "2017-01-06T00:28:33Z")
> [@ToeJam](#): > > Put me in the list of people who feel the Patsy should claim Day 1. If anything, it puts scum into an awkward position of do they want to pre-emptively claim patsy day 1 (in which case the Actual patsy can counter claim as this is an open setup), This makes no sense. Scum would not be put into an awkward position. There is no reason for them to do a one for one exchange on day one. > [@](#): > > or (more likely) scum would stay silent, the actual patsy would claim their role, Yes, this is vastly more likely. Why did you even bring up your previous scenario? > [@](#): > > and then we can start the ball rolling on the day with the doctors having the WIFOM of dealing with Patsy and Scum WIFOMing to waste a kill on the patsy. This makes little sense as well. Why would scum bother to kill the Patsy early on? The Patsy is basically vanilla. Scum have a huge pond with losto bigger fish right in front of them. Why would a doc protect a vanilla player on day one when they can protect a known power role? > [@](#): > > Obv. the investigators and Vig should avoid Patsy, but then if things get closer to end game and the patsy’s still alive then we’ll see what’s up. If the claimed patsy does not turn up dead or is not counter-claimed by end game what exactly do you think is going to turn up? > [@](#): > > Though in those cases, i feel like the Patsy would end up becoming a ScumKill likely by the scum team that feels that the Patsy is a false-claim by the other scum team. Really? And now you’ve circled back to your crazy original scenario of a scum claiming Patsy on day one with the added feature that the original Patsy is still alive and hasn’t counter-claimed. > [@](#): > > Basically- all in all- i’m pro-Patsy claiming Day 1, and then we should NOT lynch the Poor patsy day 1 either though. All in all this is a seriously weird post with outlandish scenarios. I really don’t know what to make of it. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/259 "2017-01-06T00:33:38Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Holy crap. My poor brainz are already fried. **Sunny Daze** , you picked a doozy of a game for your first. I admire your guts. Well, I expect to either learn quickly whilst shielded by the sheer numbers involved or die early and retire to assist with copy editing. > [@](#): > > Whiskey while curled up in the corner, surrounded by the corpses of your fallen brethren: Yes please. And this. Very much this. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/260 "2017-01-06T00:34:44Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > Holy smokes is right… > I’m not going to vote to lynch the lurker. I’m going to vote to lynch the fluffer. Too much to keep up with, even without any fluff. I don’t like plans that involve trying to keep people quiet. We need to talk. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315.md?page=14)