# Mafia Reunion - NIGHT ZERO **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [January 4, 2017, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315 "2017-01-04T16:43:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/301 "2017-01-06T04:50:28Z")
[Post #126](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19897920&postcount=126) has the role doc-ument. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/302 "2017-01-06T04:52:37Z")
[quote=“Plumpudding, post:300, topic:776315”] I meant document- if you missunderstood ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/303 "2017-01-06T04:53:00Z")
Oh, sorry. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/304 "2017-01-06T04:59:40Z")
found it \*\* Thingfish \*\* Hitman/Outrider – kills anyone protecting the player targeted (without blocking the protection) Hitman (mafia) is a Night power, and Outrider(wolf) is a Day power. So they ( mafia and wolves) potentially both have a Day and a Night kill ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/305 "2017-01-06T05:02:02Z")
thanks SNF I have it bookmarked on my home computer now 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/306 "2017-01-06T05:47:54Z")
At my local sluethjuice slinger and I’m thinking that I’m still a bit confused about the switches. I was confused by them in HOH2 at first, but I was able to figure it out because it was THE gimmick in that game that thar made it different and was thoroughly discussed in the rules. Now, though, it is barely even mentioned, except for those three powers’ pm’s. Does anybody have any insights? Is it mentioned elsewhere that I missed? ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/307 "2017-01-06T05:52:53Z")
\*starts rereading everything rules related ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/308 "2017-01-06T06:09:13Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > I agree that we need to talk, and I’m not usually against fluff, but in a game this large with 55 people, it’s going to be easy to skim past something important (at least for me) if there’s too much fluff going on. It seems like it would be easy for scum to spam the thread enough to obfuscate almost anything. This reminds me of a game I was in where I was scum and one of my teammates got caught out, I forget how. Detective? Slip? Whatever. Said person, who I cannot remember it was, started spamming the game thread with nonsense. It was vaguely entertaining to me at the time, though highly disruptive and rather unsporting. Anyone recall that? ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/309 "2017-01-06T06:15:38Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > In addition to the PMs shown at the location above, some players will receive an additional PM. In this game, certain powers will run off of switches, which are simple toggles. Each power is associated with two switches, each given to a different player. Activation or deactivation of these switches is an independent ability that can be performed at any Dawn or Dusk _as a separate action that does not prevent the player from using any personal abilities._ > > Additional information on switches may, or may not, be provided at a later date 🙂 In the other HOH2 game, the SK and the Scum controlled the switches.They could turn on/off a Town power role, but neither knew what the other was doing. So it was just mostly luck whether a Town power role went through or not at least until one of those players controlling the on/off switches died. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/310 "2017-01-06T06:17:56Z")
Yeah, but in this one, it isn’t specified whose power is switched or by whom (except for tinkerer/omega/consiglierieieseies, who only swith them all) ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/311 "2017-01-06T06:20:26Z")
So, since it isn’t explicitly mentioned in the open PM’s, are we to assume only the double secret 3rd party bastards have the specific switching powers? ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/312 "2017-01-06T06:30:41Z")
Somehow I don’t think assuming is a good strategy for this game. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/313 "2017-01-06T06:31:43Z")
And speaking of HOH2 and serial killers, huge side/stank eye at Dante G. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/314 "2017-01-06T06:33:36Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > Somehow I don’t think assuming is a good strategy for this game. Ok, maybe “assume” was the wrong word. How about “Is it likely that the 3rd party controls the specific switching”? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/315 "2017-01-06T06:35:29Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > Somehow I don’t think assuming is a good strategy for this game. Isn’t “somehow” someone else’s assume? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/316 "2017-01-06T06:37:08Z")
> [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](#): > > This reminds me of a game I was in where I was scum and one of my teammates got caught out, I forget how. Detective? Slip? Whatever. Said person, who I cannot remember it was, started spamming the game thread with nonsense. It was vaguely entertaining to me at the time, though highly disruptive and rather unsporting. Anyone recall that? On the off chance this want me (Peeker?) … Let me know once you find out. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/317 "2017-01-06T06:38:10Z")
NETA: Wasnt. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 6:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/318 "2017-01-06T06:41:01Z")
> [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](#): > > This reminds me of a game I was in where I was scum and one of my teammates got caught out, I forget how. Detective? Slip? Whatever. Said person, who I cannot remember it was, started spamming the game thread with nonsense. It was vaguely entertaining to me at the time, though highly disruptive and rather unsporting. Anyone recall that? Without looking it up, I’d bet actual money (like, $5) that it was **Idle Thoughts**. Dude’s histrionics are the stuff of legend and instalynch. ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/319 "2017-01-06T06:47:43Z")
Switches in the pm’s; > [@](#): > > Welcome to the game; you are The Basement-Based Tinkerer > ALIGNMENT: Town > YOU WIN if at any checkpoint (Dawn or Dusk) all 14 Scum players (Wolves + Mafia) are dead. > > (snip) > > POWERS: > You have three abilities, any of which may be used only by Night; the ordinary light of day both frightens and confuses you. You may use only one ability per Night, and may use any given ability only once per game. > By plugging… a… thing… into… another thing… look the terminology kind of escapes you, but in any case, you can instantly reset all switches in the game to their default “on” positions. This ability is superseded by the opposing ability of the Consigliere, such that if both of you use your powers on the same Night, all switches will be set to “off.” > [@](#): > > Welcome to the game; you are The Consigliere > ALIGNMENT: Mafia > YOU WIN if the total number of living Mafia is greater than or equal to 50% of the total population AND greater than the number of living Wolves. > (snip) > > POWERS: > You have contacts with people at the very top and the rock bottom of the great food chain that is a modern urban environment. Those contacts grant you access to the following three abilities, any of which may be used only by Night; people of the kind that you depend upon don’t like to operate while the sun shines. You may use only one ability per Night, and may use any given ability only once per game. > • At your word, your army of bought engineers, electricians, and plumbers will reset all switches in the game to the “off” positions. > [@](#): > > Welcome to the game; you are The Omega Wolf > ALIGNMENT: Werewolves > YOU WIN if the total number of living Wolves is greater than or equal to 50% of the total population AND greater than the number of living Mafia. > > (snip) > > POWERS: > You have three powerful metaphysical abilities, any of which may be used only by Day; you’re a bit busy ravening and drooling to do anything particularly useful by Night. You may use only one ability per Day, and may use any given ability only once per game. > • With but a thought, you can telekinetically reset all switches in the game to the “off” positions The wolves and mafia can both reset switches off. The town basement dweller can reset the switches back on unless he acts on the same night the mafia switcher acts and the mafia order rules. Therefore setting switches off is anti-town. I think, hah, that the scum off switch option means towns powers are dead for the day/night when the scum team invokes the switch. It can’t be a forever switch because that would bork the game. But I can’t figure out how the town on switch works. It can’t change the Mafia off-switch so how does basement boy know when to use it? Or maybe the off-switch turns off all powers for the Day or Night. Gah. ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/320 "2017-01-06T06:49:27Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > Without looking it up, I’d bet actual money (like, $5) that it was **Idle Thoughts**. Dude’s histrionics are the stuff of legend and instalynch. I’ll take that bet. I think it was Hal or maybe SpecialEd [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315.md?page=17)