# Mafia Reunion - NIGHT ZERO **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [January 4, 2017, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315 "2017-01-04T16:43:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/321 "2017-01-06T06:57:32Z")
I wager it was a typo and the basement dweller is effected by the switcher of both factions ( not just the mafia one) **Do switches reset to ON after the phase they were turned off in ( if not influenced by another 'switcher"?)** ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/322 "2017-01-06T06:59:06Z")
Sinjin, last time there were switches, each scum had a specific power to switch. One was cop switch, one was blocker switch, one was doc switcher. And I think it was serial killer could switch them all, but not individualy. But snice none of this specificity is mentioned in this game, it makes me think that there is a 3rd party for each class of power (block, protect, investigation, watch/track). ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/323 "2017-01-06T07:01:39Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > I wager it was a typo and the basement dweller is effected by the switcher of both factions ( not just the mafia one) > **Do switches reset to ON after the phase they were turned off in ( if not influenced by another 'switcher"?)** I don’t think it’s a typo. Both the basement guy and mafia guy work during the night. The wolf guy is during the day. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/324 "2017-01-06T07:02:18Z")
> [@sinjin](#): > > Switches in the pm’s; > > The wolves and mafia can both reset switches off. The town basement dweller can reset the switches back on unless he acts on the same night the mafia switcher acts and the mafia order rules. Therefore setting switches off is anti-town. > > I think, hah, that the scum off switch option means towns powers are dead for the day/night when the scum team invokes the switch. It can’t be a forever switch because that would bork the game. But I can’t figure out how the town on switch works. It can’t change the Mafia off-switch so how does basement boy know when to use it? > > Or maybe the off-switch turns off all powers for the Day or Night. Gah. In Mahaloth’s HOH2 game the switches, the powers involved, and who controlled these switches were all spelled out at the start of the game. Once one role switch controller was dead, the other player had complete control of the switch. The switches defaulted back to “on” during that game every cycle. ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/325 "2017-01-06T07:07:21Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Sinjin, last time there were switches, each scum had a specific power to switch. One was cop switch, one was blocker switch, one was doc switcher. And I think it was serial killer could switch them all, but not individualy. But snice none of this specificity is mentioned in this game, it makes me think that there is a 3rd party for each class of power (block, protect, investigation, watch/track). But in this game the power to switch is given to an individual Mafia, Wolf, and Town player. Both Mafia and Wolf can switch off and Town can switch on. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/326 "2017-01-06T07:09:45Z")
> [@sinjin](#): > > But in this game the power to switch is given to an individual Mafia, Wolf, and Town player. Both Mafia and Wolf can switch off and Town can switch on. Is it? DID I completely miss that? Is that stated in the wolfia pm’s? I’ll check again. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/327 "2017-01-06T07:11:29Z")
> [@sinjin](#): > > But in this game the power to switch is given to an individual Mafia, Wolf, and Town player. Both Mafia and Wolf can switch off and Town can switch on. Oh, no, I misread what you said. No. IN this game only one of each can throw ALL the switches. Not each power switch individually. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 7:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/328 "2017-01-06T07:13:41Z")
Btw, sorry for the all caps first words of sentences. My phone likes to do that on its own. I so rarely mean to do that. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 8:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/329 "2017-01-06T08:12:22Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > I don’t think it’s a typo. Both the basement guy and mafia guy work during the night. The wolf guy is during the day. Doesn’t that change the balance of power? ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 8:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/330 "2017-01-06T08:46:07Z")
I’m here and stuff, reveling in the freedom of not playing for so long that I can’t remember shit about anything or anyone. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 8:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/331 "2017-01-06T08:58:34Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > I’m here and stuff, reveling in the freedom of not playing for so long that I can’t remember shit about anything or anyone. I start almost every game that way— intended or no ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 11:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/332 "2017-01-06T11:12:13Z")
Mods, hats off for the effort and color. I will never buy lucky charms. @Meeko, I was joking about the google doc with 14 pages of PMs. Now I have my own, personal, PM. > [@ToeJam](#): > > 3rd party roles… Scum. Unless there’s a way to confirm their “friendly” wincon or alignment, often paranoia about win stealing 3rd parties can distract from hunting scum. @Pleo, players aren’t forced to read their role PM either… @Plumpudding, apart from 3rd party, why would you need to quote or paraphrase a role PM? Or do you mean PMs in general? @Texcat, is Patsy always a she, like a car? @Nanook, was it SpecialEd? ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 11:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/333 "2017-01-06T11:26:48Z")
> [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](#): > > This reminds me of a game I was in where I was scum and one of my teammates got caught out, I forget how. Detective? Slip? Whatever. Said person, who I cannot remember it was, started spamming the game thread with nonsense. It was vaguely entertaining to me at the time, though highly disruptive and rather unsporting. Anyone recall that? Special Ed did that, in a game I cannot now recall over on Idle’s old boards. He quoted a major speech by a US politician, each time removing a letter from the previous quote. I didn’t blame him, but I’m glad I never saw it happen a second time. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/334 "2017-01-06T12:49:15Z")
> [@Plumpudding](#): > > Mods, are we allowed to qoute, or do we have to paraphrase, when claiming or otherwise from PM’s? See the initial rules. You have no posting restrictions. Post anything you want. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/335 "2017-01-06T12:58:58Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > And speaking of HOH2 and serial killers, huge side/stank eye at Dante G. Why are you stank eyeing him? Because of something he did in another game? **MHaye** , wanna give your routine announcement about holding grudges? ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/336 "2017-01-06T13:07:38Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > I wager it was a typo and the basement dweller is effected by the switcher of both factions ( not just the mafia one) > **Do switches reset to ON after the phase they were turned off in ( if not influenced by another 'switcher"?)** I promise I’m not ignoring you on this it’s just that… Hey look at that puppy! Look everyone it’s a cute baby puppy! Who wants to pet it? ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/337 "2017-01-06T13:27:43Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > I promise I’m not ignoring you on this it’s just that… Hey look at that puppy! Look everyone it’s a cute baby puppy! Who wants to pet it? I’m picturing [Winnie](http://hoteltransylvania.wikia.com/wiki/Winnie), from Hotel Transylvania. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/338 "2017-01-06T14:10:13Z")
I, too, have no idea what the deal is with the switches. Maybe they turn powers off, maybe they do something else to the game state. I presume that they have something to do with one or more third parties, because those are the only other major part of the game we don’t know about. That said, though, my general philosophy on things I can’t know about is to not worry about them. It is likely that at some point in the game, we’ll end up with more information about the switches; at that time, we should start thinking about them. At this point, though, anything we try to deduce about them is at least as likely to be wrong as right, and anything we try to do about them is as likely to hurt us as to help us. So we ignore them, for now, until and unless we have some reason not to. The same also goes for hostile third parties, incidentally. As of right now, we’re not even certain that we have any (though given previous games by these moderators, I think it likely). We don’t know what will hinder or advance their win conditions, and so if we try to avoid doing anything that will help them, we’ll end up paralyzed. The smart response is to just play the game as normal, and do our best to deal with the threats we do know of and understand (the two Scum factions). ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/339 "2017-01-06T15:39:19Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > I promise I’m not ignoring you on this it’s just that… Hey look at that puppy! Look everyone it’s a cute baby puppy! Who wants to pet it? Ooh, a puppy! I wanna pet the puppy! ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/340 "2017-01-06T15:45:40Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > Ooh, a puppy! I wanna pet the puppy! Here’s a cat video too. Why don’t you all bookmark it. The next time you have a switch question go watch this instead, you’ll feel better. Err. I mean…did I say something about switches? Ignore that. WATCH THE VIDEO! ITS SOOOO CUTE!!! [![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/20mrEtabOLM/hqdefault.jpg?sqp=-oaymwEmCOADEOgC8quKqQMa8AEB-AG-AoAC8AGKAgwIABABGGEgZShIMA8=&rs=AOn4CLB2mihQYfOZWnbEwOzA5vlivR-QsA "THE BEST CAT VIDEO YOU'LL EVER SEE") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20mrEtabOLM) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315.md?page=18)