# Mafia Reunion - NIGHT ZERO **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [January 4, 2017, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315 "2017-01-04T16:43:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/341 "2017-01-06T16:24:08Z")
> [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > Why are you stank eyeing him? Because of something he did in another game? **MHaye** , wanna give your routine announcement about holding grudges? Might be a good idea … Grudges are bad, okay? I mean, think about it. We’re in a different game, designed by a different Mod team, and roles are random With the major exception of Drain Bead, who is always a Scum roleblocker (three games in a row!) just because they were Scum last game doesn’t mean they’re scum now. It doesn’t mean they aren’t either. In this game the a priori odds of being Scum appear to be approximately two in seven, so more than a quarter of us are known anti-Town. However (to restate the opening) prior games as Scum don’t affect which team I’m on. While I’m on; players with really long memories might recall that I’ll go to considerable lengths to avoid using the word “scum” for the main anti-Town team. This post may mark the first time ever. The problem in this game is that “mafia,” “mafiate” or “Mafia-aligned” will be seen as referring to the Mafia team, and not the Werewolf team So I need a term for the two main anti-Town teams as a whole. I have (reluctantly) chosen “scum” for that. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/342 "2017-01-06T16:26:30Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > Ooh, a puppy! I wanna pet the puppy! (Reviews Whelp PM) I think I’m gonna pass… ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/343 "2017-01-06T16:30:44Z")
I can already tell I’m going to have problems with that. I use all three terms interchangeably. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/344 "2017-01-06T16:56:16Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > I’m here and stuff, reveling in the freedom of not playing for so long that I can’t remember shit about anything or anyone. I can refresh you. I’m the intelligent succinct and cohere… No I can’t do it. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/345 "2017-01-06T17:00:46Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > I, too, have no idea what the deal is with the switches. Maybe they turn powers off, maybe they do something else to the game state. I presume that they have something to do with one or more third parties, because those are the only other major part of the game we don’t know about. > > That said, though, my general philosophy on things I can’t know about is to not worry about them. It is likely that at some point in the game, we’ll end up with more information about the switches; at that time, we should start thinking about them. At this point, though, anything we try to deduce about them is at least as likely to be wrong as right, and anything we try to do about them is as likely to hurt us as to help us. So we ignore them, for now, until and unless we have some reason not to. > > The same also goes for hostile third parties, incidentally. As of right now, we’re not even certain that we have any (though given previous games by these moderators, I think it likely). We don’t know what will hinder or advance their win conditions, and so if we try to avoid doing anything that will help them, we’ll end up paralyzed. The smart response is to just play the game as normal, and do our best to deal with the threats we do know of and understand (the two Scum factions). ““Don’t worry about the future or worry that know that worrying Is as affective as trying to solve an algebra equation By chewing bubble gum The real troubles in your life are apt to be things That never crossed your worried mind The kind that blindsides you at 4 p.m. on some idle Tuesday”” -Everybody’s Free (To Wear Suncreen) ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/346 "2017-01-06T17:06:00Z")
Is it wrong that almost everybody who posted overnight looks scummy to me? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/347 "2017-01-06T17:07:22Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Is it wrong that almost everybody who posted overnight looks scummy to me? Yes. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/348 "2017-01-06T17:08:40Z")
NETA: Yes, unless you are in the Pacific Time Zone 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/349 "2017-01-06T17:11:27Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > In Mahaloth’s HOH2 game the switches, the powers involved, and who controlled these switches were all spelled out at the start of the game. Once one role switch controller was dead, the other player had complete control of the switch. The switches defaulted back to “on” during that game every cycle. If this is the case, this immediate strikes me as a “Capture the Flag” type mechanic… The enemies gate is down. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/350 "2017-01-06T17:12:38Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Is it wrong that almost everybody who posted overnight looks scummy to me? Soooo, in favor of the multi-lynch? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/351 "2017-01-06T17:42:28Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > Soooo, in favor of the multi-lynch? 😃 How about a massively multi-lynch. String up everybody except me. Town win. Easy game. ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/352 "2017-01-06T17:48:56Z")
If there were some way to kill literally everyone, it seems to me that Town would in fact win. The win con doesn’t require anyone to be alive, just the scum teams to be dead. Wasn’t there another game that could have been broken that way? But people refused to do it because it wouldn’t be sporting or something I think. This game is tripping all my nostalgia buttons. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/353 "2017-01-06T18:08:02Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Is it wrong that almost everybody who posted overnight looks scummy to me? Name names! What’s the term for vague suspicions? I think not requiring people to confirm receipt of their role PM while also not knowing if they’ve all been sent out is a little off-putting, the game has sort of started, but not for all - is it pre-game banter or early game fluff with little scum hunting? ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/354 "2017-01-06T18:09:26Z")
> [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](#): > > This game is tripping all my nostalgia buttons. Maybe that’s all the switches do. _flip_ Aw… Remember that game where the guy had the power to do the thing and did the thing with the thing and we all died? Good times. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/355 "2017-01-06T19:02:14Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > Name names! What’s the term for vague suspicions? Oh, if I must. Toejam (I liked Sinjin’s questioning) Boozy – went straight for discrediting his critics, defense was sort of red herring-ish Septimus – do we have other than mechanics posts in us, hmm? Nanook, with the personal reminiscinces instead of playing this game Guiri – are those questions really useful? And I guess jsgoddess, for sort of fossing people who try to discourage talk but then not actually talking. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/356 "2017-01-06T19:03:18Z")
Oh, and I do have my PM. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/357 "2017-01-06T19:09:25Z")
By the way, as a game room mod, I give permission to have each and every game Day and even each different Night …its own thread. Because goodness knows these will be filled up pretty fast in the beginning. So yeah, feel free to start a new thread for every game Day and Night… or… even, for example “Day 2 (cont)” if the first Day 2 gets too many posts in it (and I can close the first one for ya). ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/358 "2017-01-06T19:09:51Z")
What game? It’s Night 0. There’s no way to know who has and has not received their PM. I’m supposed to scum hunt for people who don’t even necessarily know their role? No thanks. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/359 "2017-01-06T19:12:44Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > By the way, as a game room mod, I give permission to have each and every game Day and even each different Night …its own thread. Because goodness knows these will be filled up pretty fast in the beginning. > > So yeah, feel free to start a new thread for every game Day and Night… or… even, for example “Day 2 (cont)” if the first Day 2 gets too many posts in it (and I can close the first one for ya). oh boy- I really like this post! ^ I am at work and can’t contribute much at this point but following along as I can ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/360 "2017-01-06T19:16:18Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > For the record, I can’t speak for **Idle** , but I personally would consider it cheating to look at the previous text of an edited post, and so I will not do so. I wouldn’t ever do this either. > [@storyteller0910](#): > > **IMPORTANT MODERATOR NOTE:** > > We will be adding a brief addendum to the official rules. Specifically, rule 1 under “Basic Setup” should now read as follows (additions underlined below): > > This is a semi-open setup. All of the Town and Scum roles and win conditions will be public knowledge at the beginning of the game. Importantly, there are no secret or hidden elements to any Town or Scum role powers or win conditions. There may be secret or hidden _game mechanics_ known to individual Town or Scum players that are not public knowledge. > > Chronos or Idle Thoughts, if either if you feels inclined to edit these changes into the actual rules post, I’d be delighted, but I’m not sure if that’s kosher per forum rules. I added it for you. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315.md?page=19)