# Mafia Reunion - NIGHT ZERO **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [January 4, 2017, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315 "2017-01-04T16:43:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/101 "2017-01-05T03:42:34Z")
So Town can still win if their numbers are even to (or outnumbered by) total Scum – but with no Scum having a majority over a combination of both Town and the other Scum team right? This makes my head hurt. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/102 "2017-01-05T03:45:54Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > Sounds hot. Yes. I still carry a torch for her. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/103 "2017-01-05T03:59:23Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > So Town can still win if their numbers are even to (or outnumbered by) total Scum – but with no Scum having a majority over a combination of both Town and the other Scum team right? > > This makes my head hurt. You don’t know the half of it. You will though. The full town and Scum role Pms are going to be posted very very soon. They will help a little. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/104 "2017-01-05T04:06:52Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > [SIZE=“5”]NIGHT ZERO[/ > > \*\* > **Anything posted by any moderator in black text will be color text, and may contain misdirections and outright falsehoods and/or clues.** \*\* > [@storyteller0910](#): > > RULES AND REGULATIONS > > **Basic Setup** > ::snip:: Interesting… ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/105 "2017-01-05T04:19:03Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > Interesting… Only if you aren’t reading the whole thread. I promise we aren’t trying to trick you about how the game works. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/106 "2017-01-05T04:36:57Z")
odd thought- before I sign off- I am seeing posts that look scummy and started to note the player. then realized- roles are not out. science fail. and on the other foot it has to change the goggles too ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/107 "2017-01-05T04:39:00Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > To be fair, sign ups opened before a game existed. > > Also, did you see the tottenham game today? COYS! Tottenham are the greatest thing the world has ever seen! ---
**Author:** ![Dante\_G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/977dab/32.png) [@Dante\_G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dante_G)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/108 "2017-01-05T04:40:12Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > Yes. I still carry a torch for her. Yes, but does she still start a fire in your loins? ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/109 "2017-01-05T04:42:39Z")
Well, there _is_ a burning sensation…does that count? ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/110 "2017-01-05T04:46:21Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > So Town can still win if their numbers are even to (or outnumbered by) total Scum – but with no Scum having a majority over a combination of both Town and the other Scum team right? > > This makes my head hurt. If I correctly understand your question, then yes, you are right. Here’s an example; suppose the nonexistence of third parties for the purposes of this hypothetical. It is late-ish in the game, Dawn of Day X; only 12 players remain. Five are Town-aligned, along with 3 Wolves and 4 Mafia. Town is outnumbered, 7-5, by Scum. At this moment, Town does not win, because not all Scum players are dead. Wolves do not win, because 3 is not greater than 50% of 12. Mafia do not win, because 4 is not greater than 50% of 12. The game continues. Any side could still win. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/111 "2017-01-05T04:57:51Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > If I correctly understand your question, then yes, you are right. > > Here’s an example; suppose the nonexistence of third parties for the purposes of this hypothetical. > > It is late-ish in the game, Dawn of Day X; only 12 players remain. Five are Town-aligned, along with 3 Wolves and 4 Mafia. Town is outnumbered, 7-5, by Scum. > > At this moment, Town does not win, because not all Scum players are dead. > Wolves do not win, because 3 is not greater than 50% of 12. > Mafia do not win, because 4 is not greater than 50% of 12. > > The game continues. Any side could still win. and you just qualified the idea that there are 14 wolf/mafia combined. did you intend to? ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/112 "2017-01-05T05:05:54Z")
> [@DiggitCamara](#): > > I underlined the relevant word. Which makes it obvious and undeniable that you are a wolf. Prepared to confess? I noticed that Freudian Slip also! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/113 "2017-01-05T05:09:17Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > [ol] > [li]Town Wins! if all 14 Scum players are dead.[/li][li]Mafia Wins! if the total number of living Mafia is greater than or equal to 50% of the total population AND greater than the number of living Wolves.[/li][li]Wolves Win! if the total number of living Wolves is greater than or equal to 50% of the total population AND greater than the number of living Mafia.[/li][li]Third party win conditions are checked after checking all three of the above. Thus, a Town win supersedes an exclusive third party win even if both occur simultaneously.[/li][/ol] Post one told us 14 scum players. Why is that new? ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/114 "2017-01-05T05:10:20Z")
NETA sorry post 2 ---
**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/115 "2017-01-05T05:29:06Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > Post one told us 14 scum players. Why is that new? > [@raventhief](#): > > NETA sorry post 2 Not to mention that as has been mentioned multiple times by the mods all town and scum roles will be openly revealed. So really we will know going in how many town, mafia, and werewolves will be in the game just by counting the revealed roles. And the remainder number will be third party. (This is assuming they don’t double up on roles without telling us they are doing so or throw a bunch of remainder town into an unquantified vanilla pool.) Regardless, as you said, we know there are 14 between the wolves and mafia based on the rules. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Klutz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captain_klutz/32/4993_2.png) [@Captain\_Klutz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Klutz)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/116 "2017-01-05T05:47:48Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > As to strategy, I think the hardest part of this game early is going to just be keeping everyone straight. The pages are going to likely multiply at a rapid rate. After an 8 hour work day there could easily be a dozen pages to pore over. > > I usually suspect anyone who makes reference to their “notes,” but I think some kind of notes are going to be absolutely necessary. How the heck do you keep track of things without notes? Although for a game this size, my notes are likely to become a bit unwieldy. Day 1 is gonna be huge. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/117 "2017-01-05T06:05:41Z")
> [@Captain\_Klutz](#): > > How the heck do you keep track of things without notes? > > Although for a game this size, my notes are likely to become a bit unwieldy. Day 1 is gonna be huge. The first few games I played, I kept notes. But after a while I found simply rereading the games and getting to know many of the regulars was enough. But that’s not going to work here. It’s going to be a huge undertaking just to try and grab hold of whatever role I receive in this game and then to try like hell not to get too dizzy on the ride as long as it lasts. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 8:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/118 "2017-01-05T08:42:16Z")
Oh, I keep notes. I’ve got notes on ALL of you jerks. SO many notes. The BEST notes. I’m the best at notes. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 11:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/119 "2017-01-05T11:34:29Z")
I see little point in posting until we have roles. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/120 "2017-01-05T13:11:55Z")
I always take notes, but I don’t refer to them all that often. Rather, I find that the process of making the notes itself helps me see things clearly. When I do refer to them, it’s mostly for things like “Wait, I remember someone suggested this. Who was it?”. My biggest difficulty is that, when just reading a message board, I usually don’t pay much attention to usernames, just to the content of posts. But of course, that doesn’t work very well in Mafia. Since my notes include names, I’m forced to pay attention to them. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315.md?page=7)