# Mafia: Simpletown **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 27, 2008, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974 "2008-03-27T21:40:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2008, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/441 "2008-04-05T13:52:08Z")
Guess us newbies don’t drink as much as the vets. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2008, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/442 "2008-04-05T20:07:49Z")
Good Morning Town. **Queen of Town** , the Doctor, is dead. Have a Nice Day! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2008, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/443 "2008-04-05T20:10:31Z")
1. Blaster Master 2. bufftabby 3. IceCreamMan 4. zuma 5. pedescribe 6. WF Tomba 7. Koldanar 8. MindWanderer 9. [del]Queen of Town[/del] Doctor 10. MadTheSwine 11. Nanook of the North Shore 12. ShadowFacts 13. [del]Menocchio[/del] Simpleton 14. peekercpa 15. Sitnam 16. fluiddruid Menocchio, lynched Day One Queen of Town, killed Night One ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2008, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/444 "2008-04-05T20:57:01Z")
Fuck ---
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2008, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/445 "2008-04-05T21:26:14Z")
The doctor is dead? Bloody hell. Okay, here’re my thoughts so far. Queen of Town had voted for fluiddruid. FD is a pretty experienced player, so I honestly can’t see her turning around and offing someone who had voted for her, because that simply wouldn’t be smart. Of course that is bit of a WIFOM, as she would know that. But I’m inclined to believe the former rather than the latter with the WIFOM, as I’m also sure that she would be aware that some of our newer players would jump straight to suspecting her, and we do have a number of new players (and new_er_ players such as myself). Yeah, I guess this kinda counts as a fluiddruid snuggle, but this is my take on the situation so far. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2008, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/446 "2008-04-05T22:01:08Z")
Got a question? Snuggle, this is the first I’ve ever heard. Does \*\*Blaster Master \*\* get a copyright? ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2008, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/447 "2008-04-05T22:05:07Z")
Guess the ‘should we lynch in spite of role claim?’ question is pretty moot now, at least for Doctor. ---
**Author:** ![MadTheSwine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MadTheSwine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MadTheSwine)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2008, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/448 "2008-04-05T22:08:42Z")
[QUOTE=fluiddruid] You raise a decent point, though I believe I’d like to still go with my gut on this one. I think a scummy feeling is better than just lynching a lurker. In any case, perhaps it’s best not to vote for **MadTheSwine** - I’d take a possible modkill at this point - it essentially means a double lynch for Town, since **MadTheSwine** is likely to end up second on the vote list (if he’s not first and lynched anyway). [/QUOTE] Crap.Down the Doc on Night1. I gotta believe there are 4 scum, 5 is just too many fer us to have a decent chance at winning and 3 would make it difficult for the scum to win, I think. Assuming there are 4 scum and we miss our chance toDay at killing one of them, that will make the score 8-4 by the start of Day3. If the Detective(assuming we have one) detected a scum last Night,do you think it would be a good idea to say so? 9-3 looks a helluva lot better than 8-4. Calling for a modkill is very scummy, I will **vote fluiddruid**. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2008, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/449 "2008-04-05T22:36:11Z")
Iwant to be real careful of what I say next. I hear what the more experienced players are saying but I have to look to the motivation behind their statements. Therefore, I am now approaching this in a more jaundiced eye (if that can be possible). ---
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2008, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/450 "2008-04-05T22:49:31Z")
[QUOTE=MadTheSwine] Calling for a modkill is very scummy, I will **vote fluiddruid**. [/QUOTE] Huh. I really didn’t see her statement as calling for a modkill, but rather a cry of “Don’t lynch the lurkers, let’s look for scumminess instead.” Part of me wants to give you the benefit of the doubt that you were not intentionally misinterpreting her statement, but it also seems very strange to be concerned about someone basically saying “if the lurking is that much of a problem, it will be dealt with as stated in the rules”. It’s not like we can convince sachertorte one way or the other on something like that. So, for now, I’m gonna go with FoS MadtheSwine ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2008, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/451 "2008-04-05T23:18:35Z")
That’s _really_ odd. Normally doctors self-protect unless they have a really good reason not to. So, who was Queen of Town protecting? Or did the rules say that she couldn’t self-protect. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2008, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/452 "2008-04-05T23:29:14Z")
Just a question for discussion: **Blaster Master** is more experienced and tends to create, in my head, a kind of feeling that if you don’t agree with me you are dumb. I understand his math but don’t see how it applies - the underlying logic I get but the approach not so much. Why wouldn’t scum take him out if he’s on the right track (here comes my ass handed on a platter, me thinks). ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2008, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/453 "2008-04-06T00:42:46Z")
[QUOTE=peekercpa] Just a question for discussion: **Blaster Master** is more experienced and tends to create, in my head, a kind of feeling that if you don’t agree with me you are dumb. I understand his math but don’t see how it applies - the underlying logic I get but the approach not so much. Why wouldn’t scum take him out if he’s on the right track (here comes my ass handed on a platter, me thinks). [/QUOTE] Well, as for taking me out, there’s a whole lot of WIFOM thought that goes into it. So, here goes nothing… If I’m a good player, then you might think I’d be a good target for scum. So, you’d expect I’d be taken out early. However, by not taking me out, the “only” reason for scum to leave a good player up is if I’m scum. So, they can either take me out, or leave me alive and hope that people will start to wonder why they haven’t, and let me get lynched as well. The scum used this to perfection in M2 against **strumhauke**. Similarly, let’s say the scum DO adopt a strategy of killing all the good players, then if there’s, say, 3 or 4 widely regarded good players, but one of them is scum, then killing all but the scummy one puts a lot of suspicion on him as to why all the rest were killed but he wasn’t. Hence, it sometimes makes sense to leave some good players alive to leave people wondering. The scum did this in the off-board pirates game, leaving me alive to cover for **Gadarene**. Another similar philosophy is whether or not to take out people who were on the right track. If the scum always kill those on the right track, then it’s easy to figure out where things point. OTOH, if they leave them alive too long, they’re bound to nail them. Scum may also deliberately kill someone who was WAY off to make it LOOK like they are right, and get the town looking in the wrong direction. Either way, this sort of kill is deliberately designed to confuse the town, and really shouldn’t be used in any sort of reasoning, because we just don’t know. So, take that for what it’s worth, which probably isn’t much. Now, as for why **Queen** is dead, well, she had newbie non-vanilla role written all over her; she spent a lot of time looking for advice and seemed very tenative about drawing suspicion and such. I was a little suspicious at first because it’s often hard to tell whether it’s scumminess or power role. Considering my approach to this game, which is to assume the scum are at least as smart together as I am alone, they probably had a similar read. Also, considering they knew she wasn’t scum, and their primary goal is to fish out power roles, it’s little surprise that she was targetted. As for why she wasn’t self-protecting… I can only guess she thought much like you did, that they’d target an experienced player over a new player. I’m going to give this some thought and see if I can come up with any leads… ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2008, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/454 "2008-04-06T01:36:07Z")
Fair enough: All I am saying is that you still being here can be a WIFOM kind of proposition. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2008, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/455 "2008-04-06T11:31:01Z")
Cricket chirp and doves coo. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2008, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/456 "2008-04-06T11:33:55Z")
NETA: Obviously cricket should be plural since they do seem to come in some type of community - at least in my neck of the woods. ---
**Author:** ![zuma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9c0ed/32.png) [@zuma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zuma)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2008, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/457 "2008-04-06T11:43:35Z")
I’m fucked yet again. hold on, I’ll try to save us. I may grasp victory from the jaws of defeat. ---
**Author:** ![zuma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9c0ed/32.png) [@zuma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zuma)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2008, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/458 "2008-04-06T12:37:08Z")
[QUOTE=pedescribe] That’s _really_ odd. Normally doctors self-protect unless they have a really good reason not to. So, who was Queen of Town protecting? Or did the rules say that she couldn’t self-protect. [/QUote] Self-protecting doctors are really a SDMB thing. Normally they don’t self-protect. What bugs me is that you want to speculate on who **Queen** was protecting. If you’re speculating on a specific role, fine. But let’s not speculate on who she might or might not have been protecting. Really let’s lay it all out there. Are you asking who you think she thought the cop was? ---
**Author:** ![zuma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9c0ed/32.png) [@zuma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zuma)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2008, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/459 "2008-04-06T12:49:30Z")
**Blaster Master** , sorry to get out of game on you, but REALLY. > [@](#): > > Considering my approach to this game, which is to assume the scum are at least as smart together as I am alone, they probably had a similar read. Are you really that smart? A little humility would do some good. ---
**Author:** ![zuma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9c0ed/32.png) [@zuma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zuma)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2008, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/460 "2008-04-06T12:55:46Z")
**vote: pedescribe** For looking for who **queen** was protecting. I’m open to changing it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974.md?page=22) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974.md?page=24)