# Mafia: Simpletown **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 27, 2008, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974 "2008-03-27T21:40:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2008, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/461 "2008-04-06T14:58:51Z")
[QUOTE=zuma] vote:\*\* pedescribe\*\* Color removed. For looking for who **queen** was protecting. I’m open to changing it. [/QUOTE] Stump question: I don’t have any problem with your vote but could you explain a little more why trying to figure out who **QOT** was protecting is deserving of a vote? Just curious. Oh, also to stimulate any type of discussion. ---
**Author:** ![zuma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9c0ed/32.png) [@zuma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zuma)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2008, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/462 "2008-04-06T15:12:09Z")
[QUOTE=peekercpa] Stump question: I don’t have any problem with your vote but could you explain a little more why trying to figure out who **QOT** was protecting is deserving of a vote? [/QUOTE] Because trying to figure out who QOT was protecting is not anything we should be doing. Who do you think QOT was protecting? The cop. And who will benefit from this? The scum. That’s obvious, isn’t it? Frankly, I’m not going down this road any longer. ---
**Author:** ![zuma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9c0ed/32.png) [@zuma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zuma)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2008, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/463 "2008-04-06T15:15:37Z")
my vote on pedesribe stands. And peeker his a huge-ass fos. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2008, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/464 "2008-04-06T15:21:43Z")
[QUOTE=zuma] Because trying to figure out who QOT was protecting is not anything we should be doing. Who do you think QOT was protecting? The cop. And who will benefit from this? The scum. That’s obvious, isn’t it? Frankly, I’m not going down this road any longer. [/QUOTE] Okie Dokie. Like I said previously, I just would like to have a little more traffic. You have provided your reason(s) and I respect that. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2008, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/465 "2008-04-06T16:10:04Z")
**Queen of Town** is new, is it conceivable that she didn’t know the rules and was too late to cast her vote to protect anyone? But I agree, as Doctor the smart play day one is to protect yourself, she didn’t, trying to figure out who she protected (if anyone) is an investigative dead end. She had as much information to act on as everyone else here. ---
**Author:** ![WF\_Tomba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/d9b06d/32.png) [@WF\_Tomba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WF_Tomba)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2008, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/466 "2008-04-06T18:51:57Z")
[QUOTE=Blaster Master] Now, as for why **Queen** is dead, well, she had newbie non-vanilla role written all over her; she spent a lot of time looking for advice and seemed very tenative about drawing suspicion and such. [/QUOTE] Well, I don’t think a newbie would have picked up on that. At least, I sure didn’t. So it seems likely to me that the Mafia have at least one experienced player among them. Therefore, at least one of the experienced players in this game is probably scum. I am also against discussion of who the Doctor was protecting, but I don’t know if I would go as far as voting for **pedescribe** just for broaching the topic. ---
**Author:** ![MadTheSwine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MadTheSwine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MadTheSwine)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2008, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/467 "2008-04-06T19:29:58Z")
[QUOTE=WF Tomba] Well, I don’t think a newbie would have picked up on that. At least, I sure didn’t. So it seems likely to me that the Mafia have at least one experienced player among them. Therefore, at least one of the experienced players in this game is probably scum. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=WF Tomba] I’m in! Never played before but I’ve been watching a lot! [/QUOTE] **WF** wanting to distract suspicion from the newbies raises some concerns. Could it be all the scum are “newbies”? I doubt it, since I think **fluiddruid** is scum,but if I am wrong about **fluiddruid** then the scum may all be “newbies”. ---
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2008, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/468 "2008-04-06T19:57:24Z")
[QUOTE=MadTheSwine] **WF** wanting to distract suspicion from the newbies raises some concerns. Could it be all the scum are “newbies”? I doubt it, since I think **fluiddruid** is scum,but if I am wrong about **fluiddruid** then the scum may all be “newbies”. [/QUOTE] Do you intend to address my FoS on you and my contention that you have perhaps deliberately misinterpreted FD’s statements? I’d really like to hear from you on this so that I can decide whether or not I would like to turn my FoS into a full-fledged vote. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2008, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/469 "2008-04-06T22:52:58Z")
> [@zuma](#): > > Who do you think QOT was protecting? The cop. Actually, I disagree with this. Since, as Sitnam said, she had no more information than the rest of us, it is unlikely that a)she found the cop, and b)she was worried about him/her enough to not self-protect. Personally, I think that there are two possibilities. One, she protected the most-in-danger person that wasn’t lynched. Since the votes were pretty much evenly spread, this is highly unlikely. Or, two, she didn’t know/couldn’t self-protect. This, I see as more likely, since this is probably a bog-standard game, so the reason for going closed would be for rules quirks like this. It means we know a little more about Sach’s modding style. And that’s all _I’m_ going to say on it, since it’s apparently not kosher. > [@W F Tomba](#): > > Well, I don’t think a newbie would have picked up on that. At least, I sure didn’t. So it seems likely to me that the Mafia have at least one experienced player among them. Therefore, at least one of the experienced players in this game is probably scum. I’m removing the FOS on W F Tomba because of this. It doesn’t seem like something a newbie scum would say. As for fluiddruid…I haven’t seen much out of the ordinary with her. I’ll have to keep an eye out, but I’m not suspicious yet. I am suspicious of Blaster Master. I know that he usually has a lot of in-depth strategy posts, but this time it seems like he’s yanking us around on a chain. The “skum would do this” post just seemed a little too strongly worded for it to be honest townie speculation. I’m not too sure though… It’s getting dangerous to be gung-ho, so I’m not voting for now. ---
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2008, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/470 "2008-04-07T00:24:57Z")
[QUOTE=MadTheSwine] Crap.Down the Doc on Night1. I gotta believe there are 4 scum, 5 is just too many fer us to have a decent chance at winning and 3 would make it difficult for the scum to win, I think. Assuming there are 4 scum and we miss our chance toDay at killing one of them, that will make the score 8-4 by the start of Day3. If the Detective(assuming we have one) detected a scum last Night,do you think it would be a good idea to say so? 9-3 looks a helluva lot better than 8-4. Calling for a modkill is very scummy, I will **vote fluiddruid**. [/QUOTE] I’m not sure where to start here, **MadTheSwine**. First of all - why is calling for a modkill of a known lurker scummy? As I said at the time (and you failed to quote or reference), killing someone who was already a high vote target is essentially two lynches for town. Now, check me if my math doesn’t work out, but this is like a night kill failing - a free lynch with scum not able to fight back. How exactly is this scummy? It’s the opposite - it’s clearly pro-town and I find it very peculiar that you’ve tried to state otherwise with no basis. Secondly, frankly, the number of scum in play has little to nothing to do with the discussion of the Town at this point (considering it’s Day Two, we have no real leads, and no role claims). That combined with the fact that you’ve ham-handedly asked the Town “should we ask the Detective to step forward”? What, wasn’t losing the Doctor already enough? I’m sure some may see this as an OMGUS vote, but frankly I don’t care, this is the scummiest post I’ve seen all game. **vote MadTheSwine** ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2008, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/471 "2008-04-07T01:08:42Z")
Hey everyone - sorry not to have posted yet toDay. I’ve been closing and striking a show, so I’ve just been flat out all weekend. I will be back in full swing tomorrow. All I will say for now is the obvious: losing the Doctor on night 1 is teh suxx0r. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![WF\_Tomba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/d9b06d/32.png) [@WF\_Tomba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WF_Tomba)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2008, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/472 "2008-04-07T01:13:43Z")
[QUOTE=MadTheSwine] If the Detective(assuming we have one) detected a scum last Night,do you think it would be a good idea to say so? 9-3 looks a helluva lot better than 8-4. [/QUOTE] It would be a good idea for the Detective to say so _if and only if_ we’re on the point of lynching him or her. Now that we’ve lost the Doctor, we can’t protect an outed power role. I want the Detective, if there is one, to have a chance of investigating more than one person. **MadTheSwine** has played this game enough to know what a dangerous suggestion he just put forth. **Vote MadTheSwine** ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2008, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/473 "2008-04-07T02:20:24Z")
[QUOTE=] [/QUOTE] I just to go with my gut. During the night the scum could have taken out a more experienced player. I know that this is a WIFOM proposition but … If I take n (the number of players) and multiply that by the probability that someome is scum (x). If you take that number and take the square root of the circumfrence of my asshole truth will be obtained. **Blaster Master** can, of course put this in a more formal notation. ---
**Author:** ![MindWanderer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d78d45/32.png) [@MindWanderer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MindWanderer)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2008, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/474 "2008-04-07T02:32:56Z")
[QUOTE=peekercpa] Everything went fine. I certainly won’t go into details and pollute this thread any more than I already have. I’ll probably start a MPSIMS thread when things calm down. What little I was able to re-read before my Blackberry ran out of juice leads me back to my first choice. In trying to look at the whole motivation thing **Queen of Town’s** “snuggle” did sure read like trying to build some cred **if** I get lynch and **when** I turn up town. I want to at least make sure I have a vote on record so therefore, Vote Queen of Town I’ll have limited access the rest of the day doing the discharge thing and getting the kid home and comfortable. [/QUOTE] So, I had suspicions yesterday about peekercpa because of the amount of accusations, vote changes, and the way they were presented (basically “smudging” many different people), and so I voted for him. And as it turned out from the above post, peekercpa’s **final vote** was for Queen of Town, which was a townie of course. To me thats extra evidence, as scum would want to try to start a bandwagon against townies. Of course it didn’t happen this time, and it turned out that QoT was night killed. So, I think once again, peekercpa is the most suspicious one out there to me. **Vote peekercpa** As for the other voting and discussion going on, I think asking for a modkill isn’t evidence of anything it particular. Its not really helpful as sach will decide where the criteria are for substantive, and the debate over that term was a pretty wasteful way for people to pass the time/posts. On the other hand, of course it would be nice to down two scum at once, but thats very optimistic, there’s no guarantee that non-substantive posting would get only scum. > [@fluiddruid](#): > > As I said at the time (and you failed to quote or reference), killing someone who was already a high vote target is essentially two lynches for town. And as I said above, I think this is bogus. Two lynches isn’t any help if we have no idea whether the modkilled people are scum. Its a deceptive tactic to frame it that way. fluiddruid is trying to imply that two lynches is two scum kills without saying it. **FOS fluiddruid** ---
**Author:** ![Ice\_Cream\_Man](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9f8e36/32.png) [@Ice\_Cream\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ice_Cream_Man)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2008, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/475 "2008-04-07T02:37:00Z")
[QUOTE=WF Tomba] It would be a good idea for the Detective to say so _if and only if_ we’re on the point of lynching him or her. Now that we’ve lost the Doctor, we can’t protect an outed power role. I want the Detective, if there is one, to have a chance of investigating more than one person. **MadTheSwine** has played this game enough to know what a dangerous suggestion he just put forth. **Vote MadTheSwine** [/QUOTE] I agree. Having the detective reveal himself now that the doctor is gone is exactly what we DON’T want. I could possibly agree with them revealing themselves now if they had some potential for protection but a scum killed now for the detective the next night doesn’t seem like a fair trade to me. **Unvote pedescribe Vote MadTheSwine** ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2008, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/476 "2008-04-07T02:52:03Z")
Hey, Mind Wanderer, there has been only one lynch not two. #4Z4. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2008, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/477 "2008-04-07T02:55:00Z")
> [@MadTheSwine](#): > > 9-3 looks a helluva lot better than 8-4. Whoa, back up. If we lynch a scum, the total number goes down, making it 8-3. And if we lose the decective in the process (and without a doctor, we probably will), that makes it 7-3. So, if the detective role-claims today, that will be 8-4 today to 7-3 tommorow. Not a spectacular leap. Was he _trying_ to give false numbers or was this an accident? I think, without the doctor, that every remaining power role should be twice as wary (unless there are scum power roles, they should feel free to slip up :)), and, as mentioned earlier, MTS knows that. So I’m happy to hop on the bandwagon (with the 4th vote) and Vote MadTheSwine but, as usual, this may change pending further parinoia, badly worded posts, and frightned, 11th hour defenses. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2008, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/478 "2008-04-07T03:33:47Z")
Heh, it sounds like **MadTheSwine** was safer in the shadows. I’d like a (real) day or two for everyone to check in before voting, Sunday evening seems a little early for a bandwagon lynch going into Thursday. Votes ARE cheap, but I’ve never read Sherlock Holmes solving a case by bending to social proof. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2008, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/479 "2008-04-07T03:56:33Z")
> [@zuma](#): > > I’m fucked yet again. hold on, I’ll try to save us. I may grasp victory from the jaws of defeat. What does this mean. Note that the post before it was > [@peekercpa](#): > > NETA: Obviously cricket should be plural since they do seem to come in some type of community - at least in my neck of the woods. , in other words, completly unrelated, and after was > [@zuma](#): > > Self-protecting doctors are really a SDMB thing. Normally they don’t self-protect. What bugs me is that you want to speculate on who Queen was protecting. If you’re speculating on a specific role, fine. But let’s not speculate on who she might or might not have been protecting. > > Really let’s lay it all out there. Are you asking who you think she thought the cop was? After that, zuma posted twice, then peekercpa posted once, then zuma posted twice again. And he hasn’t posted since (although that might not mean too much). But that first one: > [@zuma](#): > > I’m fucked yet again. hold on, I’ll try to save us. I may grasp victory from the jaws of defeat. I can’t possibly decipher it…it’s only day two, so it’s not like town is desperate, and why would zuma need to save us? Unless…unless this is the legendary “accedentally posted to the wrong board” scum slip! I…I’m really confuzulled. I…I can’t figure out what _else_ it could possibly mean. Could someone please explain this? Untill then, I’m switching my vote. Unvote MadTheSwine Vote zuma ---
**Author:** ![Ice\_Cream\_Man](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9f8e36/32.png) [@Ice\_Cream\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ice_Cream_Man)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2008, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/480 "2008-04-07T04:05:37Z")
[QUOTE=pedescribe] I can’t possibly decipher it…it’s only day two, so it’s not like town is desperate, and why would zuma need to save us? Unless…unless this is the legendary “accedentally posted to the wrong board” scum slip! [/quote] I thought that scum can only talk at night. Is that one of the uncertain rules? Still weird though. I’d also like an explanation. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974.md?page=23) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974.md?page=25)