# Mafia: Simpletown **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 27, 2008, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974 "2008-03-27T21:40:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 31
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2008, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/601 "2008-04-09T21:30:07Z")
[QUOTE=NAF1138] I was really much more interested in what you were saying than Mad to be honest. [/QUOTE] Mad knows what I was saying, but you’ll have to read the thread…if you haven’t already that is. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2008, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/602 "2008-04-09T21:46:58Z")
Maybe it’s to late in the day to have this discussion so if the cocensus is to leave it be them I will back off. Why does it seem that the universal wisdom is to lynch the lurkers but that the application is to target the posters. Now obviously if you post a lot there is the chance that you make a statement that is perceived to be scummy by someone. But to a great extent isn’t that just jousting at shadows? At least early in the game when everyone is, more or less, just trying to get a feel for everyone else. ---
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2008, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/603 "2008-04-09T21:48:45Z")
[QUOTE=Sitnam] I swear to god, **MadTheSwine** , if you’re not scum I have no idea what I’m doing in this game. [/QUOTE] Even if he’s not, it’s becoming aggravating that he refuses to explain himself. Either play or don’t, but don’t get all huffy when you’re expected to answer why you’re advocating a position. Giving me a > [@MadTheSwine](#): > > Yeah,your right, it ain’t important. when asking for an explanation is simply bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2008, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/604 "2008-04-09T21:59:43Z")
1 - zuma (pedescribe) 1 - pedescribe (NAF1138) 1 - NAF1138 (Blaster Master) 1 - Mind Wanderer (Ice Cream Man) 3 - MadTheSwine (fluiddruid, WF Tomba, Sitnam) 1 - peekercpa (Mind Wanderer) 1 - fluiddruid (MadTheSwine) Day ends at 4:00PM EDT on Thursday. Day ends in less than 24 hours. ---
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2008, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/605 "2008-04-09T22:00:45Z")
[QUOTE=NAF1138] While I appreciate what you are doing here, I think this is a mistake. Extreame lurking usually means that they player forgot about the game or had a real life crisis. I am more worried about someone like pedescribe, who seems to have low post numbers for the whole game. In my reread -scriber seems to fit the “under the radar” new scum profile fairly well. vote pedescribe I had best get my feet wet. [/QUOTE] Well I went back through his posts Day 1 and frankly I don’t see what you’re posting here - he was in no way a lurker and posted quite a lot, actually (spread pretty evenly throughout the day, too). I’m not convinced he is scum. He posted not a little for a newbie and was sort of all over the place, suspecting one day and trusting another. I don’t see a newbie scum sticking his neck out this far, but here’s the record below. It’s a little messy but hopefully everyone gets the gist of it. ONLY Day 1 - no Day 2 posts by the way. (But I won’t be able to post 8AM-3PM weekdays.) Prior to game start, just possible lurkerdom defense. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9626533&postcount=64](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9626533&postcount=64) Guess that there are no power roles. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9626609&postcount=72](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9626609&postcount=72) Definitely no no-lynch (despite no votes for or push for no-lynch) [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9626618&postcount=74](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9626618&postcount=74) entire post: “just throwing out thoughts, btw” [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9626709&postcount=83](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9626709&postcount=83) votes Koldanar because Koldanar asked if there is any instalynch rule in this game / if there is likely to be a hidden scum role [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9626756&postcount=89](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9626756&postcount=89) Asks what a FOS is and why you use it [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9626861&postcount=102](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9626861&postcount=102) Unvotes Koldanar based on his defense but says he is still FOS’ing him. Generally saying the game is confusing. [Frankly seems a bit put on] [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9626940&postcount=108](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9626940&postcount=108) fluff [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9628125&postcount=127](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9628125&postcount=127) Vaguely fluffy, says he has no new suspicions but mildly trusts Queen of Town, Blaster Master, Shadowfax [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9630139&postcount=162](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9630139&postcount=162) Voting zuma for lurking [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9630143&postcount=163](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9630143&postcount=163) Addendum to previous post due to no-edit [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9632962&postcount=199](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9632962&postcount=199) Unvote zuma due to defense of lurking. "I need to find something else suspicious. Lessee…BlaM stopped posting, but I fail to see how that would be a skum tell…peekerca is (very) loud and (slightly) confusing with her many posts and votes, but I can’t see how that would help skum, either…Shadowfax seems really heplful…and most of that help is not particularly analytical, padding, perhaps? Still not enough to indict him. " [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9635909&postcount=239](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9635909&postcount=239) “I can’t put my finger on it, but Shadowfax is acting slightly different today. Maybe fewer people are asking questions, or maybe he’s revising his strategy to avoid looking skummy. I’m still suspicious, but… Ah, whatever. It’s the first day, it won’t turn into a bandwagon (famous last words)” [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9635934&postcount=240](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9635934&postcount=240) Casting doubt on own vote. Then, “Sitnam seems very ordinary, as well as zuma, fluiddruid, and Meccichino (iff he is under the weather as said). Not much to say here. Queen of Town is striking me as suspicious. She’s posted more than her share of fluff (correct me if I’m wrong, but name thing, and blackberry thing), and I haven’t really seen anything substantial, except ‘trust peekercpa’. I may switch my vote.” [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9636971&postcount=264](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9636971&postcount=264) unvotes ShadowFax, revotes WF Tomba. More assessments on the group - this is one of his longest posts of the day. Adds peekercpa, MindWanderer, MadtheSwime, Ice Cream Man to suspicion list. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9637179&postcount=268](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9637179&postcount=268) Defense of prior post [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9640914&postcount=324](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9640914&postcount=324) Another long post. Case against WF Tomba [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9648744&postcount=418](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9648744&postcount=418) Doubt of case against WF Tomba but doesn’t unvote “yet” (this is an hour before the end of the day) ---
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2008, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/606 "2008-04-09T22:01:43Z")
Anyway, to summarize, I read him as scummy at first but I think it’s just newbie play in force. I don’t think **pedescribe** is worth a vote, but hopefully the summary helps anyone on the fence. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2008, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/607 "2008-04-09T22:13:25Z")
[QUOTE=Blaster Master] This said, as others have pointed out, those also aren’t the kind of tells that I’d expect someone who doesn’t have a lot of experience would pick up. I’d expect a newer player to simply target whom they deemed as the greatest threat or possibly try to direct town suspicion, but not to trust a more esoteric tell that they probably don’t have. So, while there may be other new playes amongst the scum, I would certainly expect that at least one of them has a fairly decent amount of experience playing this game. [/QUOTE] But to a great extent does not your reasoning justify a vote for you. I want to get a vote in while there is still some day light left but am continuing to re-read. For now, **Vote Master Blaster** ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2008, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/608 "2008-04-09T22:17:59Z")
[QUOTE=Sitnam] Mad knows what I was saying, but you’ll have to read the thread…if you haven’t already that is. [/QUOTE] Yeah yeah yeah. When did it become acceptable to talk in code? I did a search for your posts in the thread Sittyboy and I don’t see one where you lay out a case for why Mad is scum. Maybe he is, but, and here is the really important part of what I am saying so pay attention, I don’t really care if you think he is if you don’t back it up. The closest thing I can see it this post from earlier today. > [@Sittnam](#): > > Quote: > Originally Posted by MadTheSwine > Nor was I asking the Detective to come out and say"I’m the Detective" even if he found scum. > Liar. > Quote: > Originally Posted by MadTheSwine > (from post #448) > If the Detective(assuming we have one) detected a scum last Night,do you think it would be a good idea to say so? 9-3 looks a helluva lot better than 8-4. > The first sentence was a question, but the second sentence meant you already had an answer. > Quote: > Originally Posted by MadTheSwine > I simply wanted to put out a scenario of “What If” and get thoughts on the matter. BM answered that question very nicely and I agree with his thoughts on the subject. > You can certainly change your mind and agreed with his thoughts on the matter, but just don’t pretend that was what you where saying from the start. And this is not a case. Here is the thing, I don’t think any of this makes you scummy. In fact I would say more likely the opposite, but just because you probably aren’t scum doesn’t mean you are helping the town right now. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2008, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/609 "2008-04-09T22:22:42Z")
[QUOTE=fluiddruid] Well I went back through his posts Day 1 and frankly I don’t see what you’re posting here - he was in no way a lurker and posted quite a lot, actually (spread pretty evenly throughout the day, too). I’m not convinced he is scum. He posted not a little for a newbie and was sort of all over the place, suspecting one day and trusting another. I don’t see a newbie scum sticking his neck out this far, but here’s the record below. It’s a little messy but hopefully everyone gets the gist of it. [/QUOTE] I didn’t say he was a lurker. No, I said he was under the radar. This is totally different from being a lurker. Lurkers are in no way under the radar, becasue everyone notices, without fail, that they are lurking. Under the radar types are middle of the packers who don’t say much to draw attention to themselves, and the fact that you (I think it was you) didn’t know the difference between him and peekercpa, who is far and away the most prolific poster in this game, speaks volumes for his under-the-radarness. ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2008, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/610 "2008-04-09T22:26:56Z")
My root canal turned into two. I’m still recovering from it, but I’ll make sure to get a vote in tomorrow morning before Night falls. ---
**Author:** ![Ice\_Cream\_Man](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9f8e36/32.png) [@Ice\_Cream\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ice_Cream_Man)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2008, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/611 "2008-04-09T22:59:25Z")
I was suspicious of pedescribe yesterday and nothing he’s done has made me any less suspicious. I agree with NAF that he’s been under the radar today and it just seems too cautious to me. As Mind Wanderer has checked in I don’t see any reason to vote for him any longer. \*\*Unvote Mind Wanderer Vote pedescribe\*\* ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2008, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/612 "2008-04-09T23:59:57Z")
[QUOTE=NAF1138] I did a search for your posts in the thread Sittyboy and I don’t see one where you lay out a case for why Mad is scum. Maybe he is, but, and here is the really important part of what I am saying so pay attention, I don’t really care if you think he is if you don’t back it up. [/QUOTE] While it is by no means a “case” against **MadTheSwine** , you may be interested to closely review the conversation **Mad** and I had yesterDay starting around post 343. [QUOTE=NAF1138] Here is the thing, I don’t think any of this makes you scummy. In fact I would say more likely the opposite, but just because you probably aren’t scum doesn’t mean you are helping the town right now. [/QUOTE] Agreed. **Sitnam** , like you I suspect that **Mad** is scum, but you’re not doing yourself or the rest of us any favors with these recent posts. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2008, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/613 "2008-04-10T00:12:20Z")
[QUOTE=Nanook of the North Shore] My root canal turned into two. I’m still recovering from it, but I’ll make sure to get a vote in tomorrow morning before Night falls. [/QUOTE] Sorry about that. Dental work is almost as sucky as backyard work, if you get me drift. Having said that I feel it would be a heck of a lot more helpful if you got a vote out with some type of reason earlier rather than waiting until the last minute. Posting on Percoced, if that’s what you are on, can be intellectually challenging and gratifying. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2008, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/614 "2008-04-10T00:15:53Z")
It occurs to me that I have not voted yet today, and that is a bad thing. For the time being, I am going to stick with **Mad** , as I still find him the most suspicious. However, I am beginning to wonder if his style is just rubbing me the wrong way. A similar thing happened to me in a previous game, where I was convinced, _absolutely_ convinced \*\*Idle Thoughts \*\*was scum. I found him evasive, manipulative, confrontational and a whole host of other scummy characteristics. Turns out, I was totally wrong - we were both Town. _shrug_ So, in light of that, I feel like I need to re-examine **Mad’s** posts before I make a final decision. But that will take a little time and I need a vote on record, so: **Vote MadTheSwine** ---
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2008, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/615 "2008-04-10T00:34:17Z")
[QUOTE=peekercpa] Posting on Percoced, if that’s what you are on, can be intellectually challenging and gratifying. 🙂 [/QUOTE] Heh. I like you. So, I feel like I’m in a bit of a quandary on whom to vote for. Nothing is jumping out at me as superscummy, but I do still feel uneasy about **Mad** ’s reaction to **fluiddruid** ’s suggestion to not vote for someone who might be modkilled anyway. I mean, her reasoning makes sense to me as well, even though it was incorrectly based on the idea that Mad’s post count was low enough for that to happen. I understand that a difference of opinion does not a scumtell make, which is why I initially dismissed the feeling I had on this after he responded on that issue, but his continued responses on the subject continue to make me uneasy, and I’m obviously not the only one who still feels this way, so I’m gonna have to **vote MadtheSwine** ---
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2008, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/616 "2008-04-10T00:40:21Z")
[QUOTE=NAF1138] I didn’t say he was a lurker. No, I said he was under the radar. This is totally different from being a lurker. Lurkers are in no way under the radar, becasue everyone notices, without fail, that they are lurking. Under the radar types are middle of the packers who don’t say much to draw attention to themselves, and the fact that you (I think it was you) didn’t know the difference between him and peekercpa, who is far and away the most prolific poster in this game, speaks volumes for his under-the-radarness. [/QUOTE] Well, to be fair, you specifically said “pedescribe, who seems to have low post numbers for the whole game.” Perhaps you meant “seems to” a bit more literally than I understood, but to me this was an accusation of lurkerdom. Nonetheless, though his play has been more cautious today, I don’t see it as so yesterday. Though, admittedly, this could mean that he was reeled in after having been able to talk to the other scum players. **pedescribe** - I’d like to hear from you. Why the change? ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2008, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/617 "2008-04-10T00:47:30Z")
Well, fluiddruid, the first day ended on thursday. –Friday I was driving all day. –Saturday I had an all-day interview. –Sunday I was driving all day. –Monday had school, and then catching up on the things I missed over the weekend. –Tuesday school, and sleeping. –Wedensday school, and meeting with family members. It’s been a busy week. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2008, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/618 "2008-04-10T01:05:06Z")
[QUOTE=pedescribe] Well, fluiddruid, the first day ended on thursday. –Friday I was driving all day. –Saturday I had an all-day interview. –Sunday I was driving all day. –Monday had school, and then catching up on the things I missed over the weekend. –Tuesday school, and sleeping. –Wedensday school, and meeting with family members. It’s been a busy week. [/QUOTE] You know, if you’re not participating (for whatever valid reasons), it’s probably best not to get snippy when called on it. ---
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2008, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/619 "2008-04-10T01:05:35Z")
Uh, hmm. I find it a little peculiar that you’ve been too busy to post much for the rest of the day… but when specifically called out by me, you answered in less than 10 minutes. That to me says intentional lurkdom. Sorry, newbie: \*\* unvote MadTheSwine vote pedescribe\*\* ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2008, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/620 "2008-04-10T01:13:20Z")
[QUOTE=pedescribe] Well, fluiddruid, the first day ended on thursday. –Friday I was driving all day. –Saturday I had an all-day interview. –Sunday I was driving all day. –Monday had school, and then catching up on the things I missed over the weekend. –Tuesday school, and sleeping. –Wedensday school, and meeting with family members. It’s been a busy week. [/QUOTE] Not being a snuggle but I can so get behind this. I mean this is fun but you gals/guys ain’t my whole life. I have more time right now sitting in a hotel room in SF and because you are more entertaining than what’s on TV (at least until the Spurs/Suns game tips off)my diarreha (sp?) will continue. I don’t think that makes me or anyone else scum. Human, maybe. Shoot **Nanook** jumps on me for being agressive and then he jumps on me for not being aggresive enough. All because of RL stuff that is uncontollable. YMMV [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974.md?page=30) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974.md?page=32)