# Mafia: Simpletown **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 27, 2008, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974 "2008-03-27T21:40:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 42
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2008, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/821 "2008-04-15T23:53:38Z")
[QUOTE=peekercpa] I didn’t get that he thought that I was overly clean but was merely agreeing with me about zuma being overly clean. **pedescribe** if I have misunderstood please let me know. Also, I don’t necessarily think **zuma** is clean, merely that his silence makes it impossible to read one way or the other. As such I don’t see how this helps the town at all. [/QUOTE] It’s possible I misread him. I have a lot of other stuff going on today. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2008, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/822 "2008-04-16T00:08:55Z")
[QUOTE=NAF1138] It’s possible I misread him. I have a lot of other stuff going on today. [/QUOTE] [Fluff]I feel your pain. While I don’t practice any more I still have a couple of derelicts that are chasing me down from the old days. I have basically told the missus that the phone doesn’t get answered any more today - else I run the risk of folks showing up on my doorstep all night getting me to file extensions.[/fluff] ---
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2008, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/823 "2008-04-16T00:37:26Z")
[QUOTE=pedescribe] It was akcwardly put, since it was originally one thing but morphed into another. What I meant was that, the probability–in my opinion–of these people being scum is this: (zuma/mindwanderer)\>(fluiddruid/blastermaster/bufftabby)\>(icecreamman/peekercpa/nanookofthenorth/naf1138) if and only if these people are taken as a group. [/QUOTE] Ok, but still, why is this? I can see why you’d think me, Blaster Master, and/or bufftabby as a group would have one scum in it at least (I agree actually) but why is zuma connected to Mind Wanderer and Ice Cream Man to peekercpa? ---
**Author:** ![WF\_Tomba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/d9b06d/32.png) [@WF\_Tomba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WF_Tomba)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2008, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/824 "2008-04-16T00:41:33Z")
Has anyone yet brought up [post 217](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9634654&postcount=217), by **zuma**? ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2008, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/825 "2008-04-16T00:51:57Z")
[QUOTE=WF Tomba] Has anyone yet brought up [post 217](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9634654&postcount=217), by **zuma**? [/QUOTE] Care to elaborate? ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2008, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/826 "2008-04-16T01:28:36Z")
[QUOTE=WF Tomba] Has anyone yet brought up [post 217](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9634654&postcount=217), by **zuma**? [/QUOTE] Okie Dokie. Does this have a point? ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2008, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/827 "2008-04-16T01:40:36Z")
[QUOTE=fluiddruid] Ok, but still, why is this? I can see why you’d think me, Blaster Master, and/or bufftabby as a group would have one scum in it at least (I agree actually) but why is zuma connected to Mind Wanderer and Ice Cream Man to peekercpa? [/QUOTE] Well I see the connection between me and **Ice Cream Man**. It was one of my favorite Van Halen songs back in the day when I was still smoking a lot of dope. ---
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2008, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/828 "2008-04-16T01:58:41Z")
I would definitely like to hear your case against me, **pedescribe**. Last game, I could understand how some of my newb-as-hell town behaviors could appear scummy, but I just don’t see it this time. Maybe you just don’t like cats. ;p ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2008, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/829 "2008-04-16T02:09:48Z")
OK, everyone, I’ve been mulling it over for a while now, and I have concluded that it is in the Town’s best interest if I claim today, for reasons that I will explain shortly. **I am a Mason.** The reason I am claiming now is because there are only two of us (not three as is usual and as many have speculated), and if one of us is killed overnight, the other will be unconfirmable, which is our most useful function to the Town. I believe that I will be a top scum target toNight for the following reasons: [ul] [li]I had a leading role in **Mad’s** lynch[/li][li]I am leading the charge against **fluiddruid** , who I believe will turn up scum when lynched (which looks good to happen today)[/li][li]Several players have listed me on their “probable” Town lists today, making me a fairly trusted Townie[/li][li]I have two other reasons, but revealing them would negate their value, so I won’t list them here[/li][/ul] I believe that my Masonic compatriot should also come forward so that we can confirm each other, but in case s/he disagrees with my choice here, I will let him/her speak (or not speak) for him/herself. I hope you agree with my move 🙂 I am doing this now so as to avoid any last minute drama on Thursday, and to leave plenty of time for discussion if necessary. For those who think I am claiming too early, I can only say that I feel like this is the correct move based on my read of the game so far. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2008, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/830 "2008-04-16T02:22:52Z")
[QUOTE=ShadowFacts] OK, everyone, I’ve been mulling it over for a while now, and I have concluded that it is in the Town’s best interest if I claim today, for reasons that I will explain shortly. **I am a Mason.** The reason I am claiming now is because there are only two of us (not three as is usual and as many have speculated), and if one of us is killed overnight, the other will be unconfirmable, which is our most useful function to the Town. I believe that I will be a top scum target toNight for the following reasons: [ul] [li]I had a leading role in **Mad’s** lynch[/li][li]I am leading the charge against **fluiddruid** , who I believe will turn up scum when lynched (which looks good to happen today)[/li][li]Several players have listed me on their “probable” Town lists today, making me a fairly trusted Townie[/li][li]I have two other reasons, but revealing them would negate their value, so I won’t list them here[/li][/ul] I believe that my Masonic compatriot should also come forward so that we can confirm each other, but in case s/he disagrees with my choice here, I will let him/her speak (or not speak) for him/herself. I hope you agree with my move 🙂 I am doing this now so as to avoid any last minute drama on Thursday, and to leave plenty of time for discussion if necessary. For those who think I am claiming too early, I can only say that I feel like this is the correct move based on my read of the game so far. [/QUOTE] What the **Fuck**. He’s right I am the other **Mason**. I sure as hell hope you know what you are doing. Posted to give maximum time for analysis. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2008, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/831 "2008-04-16T02:32:02Z")
And I guess now that we are out in the open I guess we can count the days… I know/think that you were next on the block. I do disagree with you alittle bit, though. **Blaster Master** shouldn’t be alive if he is town. Feel free to take the gloves off. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2008, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/832 "2008-04-16T02:34:41Z")
I am bewildered by this development. I trust it, as I trust Shadow Facts, and besides peekercpa has been a bit of a loose cannon, it makes more sense if s/he had backup. But…, actually, no, ShadowFacts has a good point. I can see the mafia killing him off, simply to reduce our “trusted townies” pool. The problem is, even with an extra trusted townie today, I can still see the mafia killing you both off, Shadow tonight and peek tommorow. Unless those unstated reasons are extra powers you can use to fend the assassains off, I’m not quite sure that was the right decision. G’night everybody. (It seems like we take a lot of naps. But we do have long days.) ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2008, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/833 "2008-04-16T02:43:05Z")
[QUOTE=pedescribe] I am bewildered by this development. I trust it, as I trust Shadow Facts, and besides peekercpa has been a bit of a loose cannon, it makes more sense if s/he had backup. But…, actually, no, ShadowFacts has a good point. I can see the mafia killing him off, simply to reduce our “trusted townies” pool. The problem is, even with an extra trusted townie today, I can still see the mafia killing you both off, Shadow tonight and peek tommorow. Unless those unstated reasons are extra powers you can use to fend the assassains off, I’m not quite sure that was the right decision. G’night everybody. (It seems like we take a lot of naps. But we do have long days.) [/QUOTE] I am a he not a s/he if it matters. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2008, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/834 "2008-04-16T02:50:41Z")
[QUOTE=peekercpa] What the **Fuck**. He’s right I am the other **Mason**. I sure as hell hope you know what you are doing. Posted to give maximum time for analysis. [/QUOTE] I confirm that **peekercpa** is the other Mason. And I sure as hell hope I know what I’m doing, too, since this is my first game as a Mason. 😃 [QUOTE=peekercpa] I am a he not a s/he if it matters. [/QUOTE] I know, but I was trying to conceal your gender in case you decided not to speak up. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2008, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/835 "2008-04-16T03:06:35Z")
[QUOTE=ShadowFacts] I confirm that **peekercpa** is the other Mason. And I sure as hell hope I know what I’m doing, too, since this is my first game as a Mason. 😃 I know, but I was trying to conceal your gender in case you decided not to speak up. [/QUOTE] Fuck dude: Confusing my gender was probably a heck lot harder than confusing my stupidity. Let’s get another scum before the clock strikes zero for the Mason faction of this game. Let’s pull it out for the town. ---
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2008, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/836 "2008-04-16T03:30:54Z")
[QUOTE=ShadowFacts] OK, everyone, I’ve been mulling it over for a while now, and I have concluded that it is in the Town’s best interest if I claim today, for reasons that I will explain shortly. **I am a Mason.** The reason I am claiming now is because there are only two of us (not three as is usual and as many have speculated), and if one of us is killed overnight, the other will be unconfirmable, which is our most useful function to the Town. [/QUOTE] I… totally disagree with you outing yourself and peekercpa as well, though granted I feel a little vindicated that my read on you at least was correct. For the sake of argument… what do you hope to gain here? Sure, you’ve confirmed each other. To what end? To show that the lynch attempt on me was started by a townie? I myself indicated that I thought it was the case, and that you were the closest that we have to a confirmed town player. Nobody’s disputed it. So what now? You’re Town, great. So what? What’s the next step from here? Why bother to claim when neither of you are in real jeopardy? You’ve confirmed each other. Great. But in the end, we have no Doctor, and the best you’ve bought us is maybe saving the Detective an investigation (if he/she believes you), in exchange for making you plum night kill targets because you’re basically unlynchable unless you’re challenged (and no two scum players are going to be stupid enough to fake Mason now) Bad for Town. Bad bad bad. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2008, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/837 "2008-04-16T03:33:45Z")
Furthermore, you’re driving the lynch against me hard. Fine. What happens if/when I turn up Town? You’ve raised no other possible suspects Today. In fact we have barely discussed anyone but me and MTS today. So that will leave you with absolutely nothing tomorrow, even if I’m scum – because you’ve given everyone an easy vote, and the remaining people will be a bunch of one-off votes and hard to track. Again, bad for Town. I said it before, I’ll say it again - lynch me if you like, but at the very least we need to get something out of it. As of right now I don’t think that’s the case because it’s basically turned into a “lynch Fluiddruid, yea/nay” referendum and it’s going to be way too easy for scum to hide when there’s no real debate. ---
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2008, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/838 "2008-04-16T03:51:27Z")
Yeah, I don’t understand why you claimed right now, Masons. There hasn’t been any suspicion on either of you toDay, really. I’m bewildered, I must say. And I noticed that you’ve had a lot to say toDay, **NAF** , about not voting **fluiddruid** , but you haven’t said a damn thing about who you _do_ think is scummy. Perhaps you would like to do so at some point. And **mindwanderer** , I noticed in my re-read that you mentioned finding **nanook** scummy, but weren’t sure that anyone else agrees. I do, especially if fluiddruid turns out scum, as I expect to happen. I’ve seen a lot of mutual snuggly-type posts between the two. In case one of us drops dead overnight, I wanted to go ahead and get that out there. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2008, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/839 "2008-04-16T04:19:24Z")
[QUOTE=bufftabby] And I noticed that you’ve had a lot to say toDay, **NAF** , about not voting **fluiddruid** , but you haven’t said a damn thing about who you _do_ think is scummy. Perhaps you would like to do so at some point. [/QUOTE] Curse you for making me post from my phone. Two quick points. First, I don’t think fluid isn’t scummy, I think the town at large is being blind and even if she is scum we will be lucky at best. My last non fluff post I said that the case isn’t without merrit, but the bandwagon has grown too quickly and without decent analysis from most of the voters. My other point is, tax season. I mentioned it a couple of times already. I haven’t been able to actally do any analysis of what went down yesterday, so I don’t have a suspect yet. Sorry, I plan to rectify that when I get to a compter in the am. ---
**Author:** ![WF\_Tomba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/d9b06d/32.png) [@WF\_Tomba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WF_Tomba)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2008, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/840 "2008-04-16T04:51:15Z")
[QUOTE=ShadowFacts] Care to elaborate? [/QUOTE] Well, it was what initially pinged me about him. It was the tying vote between **fluiddruid** and **Menocchio** , and it was _not exactly_ well justified. It’s potentially a piece in the case against **zuma**. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974.md?page=41) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974.md?page=43)