# Mafia: Simpletown **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 27, 2008, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974 "2008-03-27T21:40:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 50
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2008, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/981 "2008-04-21T01:24:41Z")
All right: some **Nanook** post analysis. Day One: Casts fifth and final vote on Menocchio (full disclosure: I voted for him as well). Day Two 522. Refers to a mini-train on BlaM, but there’s only one vote (mine). 533. Apparently decides to continue this “mini-train” by casting suspicions on BlaM. 675. Unvotes MtS. 679. Votes pedescribe to tie with MtS. 684. Thinks MtS may not be dead, NNS MAY have forced a tie, he thinks. Day Three 749. Defends last three posts of Day Two, saying he was simply unsure if it was a tie, not being cozy with MtS. Also says if anybody claims not to have believed MtS’s detective claim, they’re lying (I disagree heartily). 760. Unvotes zuma, votes WF Tomba, confirmed townie. 853. Unvotes WF Tomba; ties self to FD lynch by saying it has merit, but there’s no point in voting for FD. Votes MindWanderer, who had already stated that NNS was suspicious. Total OMGUS. It all started with a gut scum feeling on NNS, but after reviewing these posts, I find myself fairly certain that NNS is scum. ---
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2008, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/982 "2008-04-21T01:53:15Z")
Forgot something: **vote Nanook of the North Shore** ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2008, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/983 "2008-04-21T02:22:51Z")
I understand that **Nanook of the North Shore** is playing his first game on this board. But when I read his posts he sure comes across a heck of a lot more polished than a cherry. I am having a real disconnect with the whole **MTS** unvote. I certainly didn’t give any credibility to his ( **MTS** ) claim since it came so late. An experienced player would have known to make that type of claim much earlier, if true. Why would someone fall for that? And my nose is still burning you fucking bastard **Blaster Master** ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2008, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/984 "2008-04-21T02:23:17Z")
[QUOTE=peekercpa] And I think this gets double bonus points for making someone laugh so hard that they also get an answer to **brewha** ’s urine thread. [/QUOTE] I’m afraid you’ll have to enlighten me… to which thread exactly are you refering? ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2008, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/985 "2008-04-21T02:30:34Z")
[QUOTE=Blaster Master] I’m afraid you’ll have to enlighten me… to which thread exactly are you refering? [/QUOTE] [Urine on my pants](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=464154) ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2008, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/986 "2008-04-21T02:37:51Z")
[QUOTE=Blaster Master] I’m afraid you’ll have to enlighten me… to which thread exactly are you refering? [/QUOTE] I don’t know how to do the linky linky thing but if you look around in the Game Forum you should find something along the lines of Urine on My Pants by **Brewha**. Your Al Gore response tickled the heck out of me. Pk ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2008, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/987 "2008-04-21T02:40:56Z")
[QUOTE=Rysto] [Urine on my pants](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=464154) [/QUOTE] Day late - dollar short. Thanks **Rysto** ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2008, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/988 "2008-04-21T13:55:27Z")
So much to respond to. Kinda wish I had time on weekends, since this is gonna take a while. I might have to break it up and spread it out over the course of the day, it depends on how work goes. Let’s start with Blaster. He’s decided that I’m scum since I decided not to vote for fluid after her lynch was already a done deal. At the beginning of the Day, I didn’t buy the case against her. As the Day went on, I started learning the other way. I decided that since it was a done deal, and nothing I said or did short of claiming detective and an investigative result on her would change things, I would instead get a head start on the next Day. This is apparently scummy. Which is fascinating if you consider that Blaster did more or less the same thing later in the Day, when he unvoted fluid and voted for me. Not only that, but after driving hard for fluid all day, he suddenly decided she was town. He claims now that it was all part of his master plan to catch scum, but I don’t believe that for a second. He more or less lead her to the gallows, and he claims it was to see how she would react? Bull. I’m completely sure at this point that he is scum. Let’s also go back a few Days. Which will have to wait, since I just got a work call. To be continued in a little bit. ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2008, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/989 "2008-04-21T14:22:06Z")
Well now I can’t find the post. There was a post on Day 1 or Day 2 where I stated that I disagreed with the current vote leaders, and then stated who I thought was scummy at the time and then placed my vote there. Blaster quoted it later and claimed it was vaguely scummy and that if I disagree with a vote I should lay out who I found scummy instead. Which I did. In the very post that he quoted. If that’s not the definition of skimming, I don’t know what is. Skimming is generally accepted to be a scum tell, since scum don’t need to pay attention to certain details as closely, as they already know who is scum and who is not. There were other points where he did something similar if you look through his posts. Another point against Blaster is his reaction to WF Tomba’s formula. It was not a paticularly good formula, at least from the standpoint of catching scum since two of the people named by it, fluid and peeker, are confirmed town at this point. It also had errors, since it named me which was later retracted. He seemed to think it was somewhat interesting, but not very useful early on. A seemingly reasonable reaction yes? Except Blaster is the Math Master, and in any game where he was town I would fully expect him to deconstuct it much more heavily. Of course, if you’re scum and you know the list is naming 3 townies as scum then you won’t do a thing to call it out. Blaster is leading us, the town, around by the nose. If we continue to allow it to happen, we will lose. **Vote Blaster Master** ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2008, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/990 "2008-04-21T14:35:39Z")
[QUOTE=peekercpa] In #853 you mention **zuma** being erratic. Is that from other games 'cause I don’t see a heck of a lot of posts in this game that one could use to reach any type of conclusion one way or the other? [/QUOTE] It’s mostly from other games. He has a history on this board of posting drunk, posting seemingly random things from his phone, voting, unvoting, and revoting in the space of 10 minutes, and other weird things. Take a look at the currently running Batman game offboard. In there he yelled at someone for roleclaiming early with no pressure, then roleclaimed himself 7 minutes later with no votes on himself. Later, he freaked out after a Do-Gooder(scum in that game) was lynched, claimed he was going to lose yet again, claimed to be Batman(the head of the scum), and then ended up deleting his board account. This is an issue, since his posts were no longer searchable. He ended up getting subbed out by the mods. ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2008, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/991 "2008-04-21T14:54:13Z")
[QUOTE=bufftabby] All right: some **Nanook** post analysis. Day One: Casts fifth and final vote on Menocchio (full disclosure: I voted for him as well). [/quote] Which made no difference in whether or not he was lynched. > [@](#): > > Day Two > 522. Refers to a mini-train on BlaM, but there’s only one vote (mine). Which I explained, that the train was not based on the number of votes, but on the way the discussion was going. A train doesn’t need votes to be a train. > [@](#): > > 1. Apparently decides to continue this “mini-train” by casting suspicions on BlaM. > 2. Unvotes MtS. > 3. Votes pedescribe to tie with MtS. > 4. Thinks MtS may not be dead, NNS MAY have forced a tie, he thinks. > Day Three > 5. Defends last three posts of Day Two, saying he was simply unsure if it was a tie, not being cozy with MtS. Also says if anybody claims not to have believed MtS’s detective claim, they’re lying (I disagree heartily). In between the time of the last official vote count and the time I posted, there were multiple votes and unvotes. There wasn’t enough time left before the Day ended to carefully count up the total votes and see if I was right or wrong. And I ask again, which no one has yet to answer, WHY would I want to get “cozy” with a scum minutes before he was lynched? What possible benefit do I, assuming for the sake of argument that I’m scum, derive from such an action? If I’m wrong, and Mad is actually leading at that point, or the coin flip comes up on Mad as it did, he’s exposed as scum and I get, what exactly? Besides a crapton of suspicion. > [@](#): > > 1. Unvotes zuma, votes WF Tomba, confirmed townie. > 2. Unvotes WF Tomba; ties self to FD lynch by saying it has merit, but there’s no point in voting for FD. Votes MindWanderer, who had already stated that NNS was suspicious. Total OMGUS. I disagree that it was an OMGUS. I laid out my reasns for it, and I still believe him to be possible scum. I’m not voting for him because I feel that BM is scummier. > [@](#): > > It all started with a gut scum feeling on NNS, but after reviewing these posts, I find myself fairly certain that NNS is scum. Interesting since you were so credulous of the reasoning when BM laid it out. You are also wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2008, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/992 "2008-04-21T15:06:56Z")
[QUOTE=peekercpa] I understand that **Nanook of the North Shore** is playing his first game on this board. But when I read his posts he sure comes across a heck of a lot more polished than a cherry. I am having a real disconnect with the whole **MTS** unvote. I certainly didn’t give any credibility to his ( **MTS** ) claim since it came so late. An experienced player would have known to make that type of claim much earlier, if true. Why would someone fall for that? [/QUOTE] This is my first game of Mafia anywhere. If I come across polished, it’s because I have read every game played on this board, all the games played at the offsite board except for Pirates, which I skimmed, and a few games played at other sites not affiliated with this one in any way. (As an aside, I don’t remember the name of the other site that I read the other games at, but man they seemed to do things in a weird way. Lots of posts, but not much discussion of things and a lot of seemingly random votes. Plus they rely on power roles a lot more than any of the games I’ve seen here.) Yes, in hindsight, I should have been more skeptical of Mad’s claim. But I paniced a bit. The claim came in so close to the deadline, and I happened to be posting a reply to Tomba at the time that I felt I had to act. And then there wasn’t enough time to really apply the reasoning necessary to make a good decision on it’s believability. I think the people attacking me and doubting it, other than the actual detective, are applying a lot of post hoc reasoning. He was lying, therefore it was obvious at the time that he was lying. ---
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2008, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/993 "2008-04-21T15:15:19Z")
[QUOTE=Nanook of the North Shore] Which made no difference in whether or not he was lynched. Which I explained, that the train was not based on the number of votes, but on the way the discussion was going. A train doesn’t need votes to be a train. [/quote] I disagree. [Quote=NNS] In between the time of the last official vote count and the time I posted, there were multiple votes and unvotes. There wasn’t enough time left before the Day ended to carefully count up the total votes and see if I was right or wrong. And I ask again, which no one has yet to answer, WHY would I want to get “cozy” with a scum minutes before he was lynched? What possible benefit do I, assuming for the sake of argument that I’m scum, derive from such an action? If I’m wrong, and Mad is actually leading at that point, or the coin flip comes up on Mad as it did, he’s exposed as scum and I get, what exactly? Besides a crapton of suspicion. [/quote] I think it was inadvertant coziness. You saw a scum brethren on the block, and with very little time to spare, you attempted to save him. This is according to my personal NNS-is-scum theory. I’m not totally convinced that you’re scum, but I do find you scummiest. [Quote=NNS] I disagree that it was an OMGUS. I laid out my reasns for it, and I still believe him to be possible scum. I’m not voting for him because I feel that BM is scummier. [/quote] Fair enough. [Quote=NNS] Interesting since you were so credulous of the reasoning when BM laid it out. You are also wrong. [/QUOTE] Please be more specific about what reasoning I was so credulous of. I initially revealed my suspicion of you when MindWanderer mentioned he felt you were scummy, but didn’t think anyone else did. I mentioned that I had been feeling the same way. ---
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2008, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/994 "2008-04-21T15:19:36Z")
NETA: No, no post hoc reasoning on MtS here. As soon as I read his claim, I said “no way”. Really, like, out loud. But it was also an hour or so after the Day ended, so I was unable to say so. I had not read the lynch results, and it was still obvious to me that the claim was total bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2008, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/995 "2008-04-21T15:20:22Z")
Hey all, I haven’t read the thread yet but I see that the scum made the mistake of not taking out a mason last Night. Stupid scum. I think I can break the game with last Night’s reading. Oh yeah, I am the Detective. BlaM is town (Night 1) Pedescribe is town (Night 2) Ice Cream Man (now Ryjae) is SCUM (Night 3) How do you like them apples. Looks like I am going to die now. See you all on the flip side. Got to catch up on my reading. Oh, and I pegged Ice Cream Man as scum based on my analysis of the vote patterns. I then made a case for him and decided not to vote for him so I could investigate him that Night without risking being killed. Turned up right. Do some real analysis and you might not have to worry about me not getting another chance to investigate. Hey town, I will be around toDay to try to provide analysis, but I sort of feel like my job here is done, so I am going to be focusing on the off board game. I think we just won. **vote Ryjae** ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2008, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/996 "2008-04-21T15:27:01Z")
[QUOTE=bufftabby] You’ll have to pardon me, but I don’t see how you went from point A to point B here. The snipped part of your post, to me can be summed up as: “I helped drive the suspicion against fluiddruid, here’s why that townie and not scum”. Then you say that gives a “fair amount of reasoning” to vote for Nanook, MindWanderer, and I. Wherte the hell is the connection here??? Hell, there is probably at least one scum on that list, but I am not seeing this “reasoning” you speak of. [/QUOTE] Right here. And I meant incredulous, but typo’d. > [@](#): > > I think it was inadvertant coziness. You saw a scum brethren on the block, and with very little time to spare, you attempted to save him. This is according to my personal NNS-is-scum theory. In other words, you think I’m scum, so therefore what I did shows that I’m scum, which is your reason for thinking I’m scum. Nice circular logic/confirmation bias. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2008, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/997 "2008-04-21T15:27:48Z")
[QUOTE=Nanook of the North Shore] So much to respond to. Kinda wish I had time on weekends, since this is gonna take a while. I might have to break it up and spread it out over the course of the day, it depends on how work goes. Let’s start with Blaster. He’s decided that I’m scum since I decided not to vote for fluid after her lynch was already a done deal. At the beginning of the Day, I didn’t buy the case against her. As the Day went on, I started learning the other way. I decided that since it was a done deal, and nothing I said or did short of claiming detective and an investigative result on her would change things, I would instead get a head start on the next Day. This is apparently scummy. Which is fascinating if you consider that Blaster did more or less the same thing later in the Day, when he unvoted fluid and voted for me. Not only that, but after driving hard for fluid all day, he suddenly decided she was town. He claims now that it was all part of his master plan to catch scum, but I don’t believe that for a second. He more or less lead her to the gallows, and he claims it was to see how she would react? Bull. I’m completely sure at this point that he is scum. Let’s also go back a few Days. Which will have to wait, since I just got a work call. To be continued in a little bit. [/QUOTE] Nice try, this is absolutely NOT what the post in question said. I encourage everyone to reread [post 853](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9695925&postcount=853). Allow me to quote the relevant part: > [@](#): > > First, the fluid train that seems unstoppable at this point. **I can see and buy a lot of the arguments that were made now** , since I just did a fairly hefty reread. However, I am not going to place my vote there. This is mostly because it seems like something of a waste, simply joining a bandwagon that isn’t stopping regardless of what I do, with a small smattering of not wanting to get shit and waste town time on why I switched my vote at the last minute once again. Emphasis mine. You’re not saying you disagree with it or that you were trying to stop it, you specifically say you can buy it. But wait, in the post to which I’m replying, you specifically say you didn’t buy the case against her, and as the Day went on, you leaned the other way. So, which is it? Did you buy the arguments for her or not? You also go on to point the finger at **zuma** and **Mindwanderer**. > [@](#): > > There are two people I want to mention at this time. One is zuma. He is so erratic and oftentimes anti-town, even when town, that I would be willing to lynch him right now. However, barring something drastic, he’s going to be replaced so a revote of him is not worth it. The other person is Mindwanderer… The latter, okay, fair enough, but you weren’t the only one suspicious of him. But **zuma** … he’s erratic… really? He’d barely posted anything at that point, and rather than drawing attention to the fact that he’s lurking, you decide he’s erratic and anti-town? And you provide NO evidence to this point? But yet, you mention his lack of participation as reason to NOT vote for him? Didn’t it occur to you that if he’s replaced, the person who replaces him would ALSO be scum and so it’s NOT a waste of time? This stinks to me of fake analysis, when it’s really just a baseless generalization of someone who isn’t even participating. So, to satisfy my suspicion of you, you have to do two things. First, you need to explain the blatant contradiction. Did you buy the arguments against **fluiddruid** or not? Second, you need to justify your analysis of **zuma**. Give me some quotes that support that he was SO erratic and anti-town. ---
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2008, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/998 "2008-04-21T15:28:15Z")
Hmm. I think I might believe _this_ role claim. Time to take a look at some voting patterns, eh? ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2008, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/999 "2008-04-21T15:29:40Z")
_snip NAF’s claim_ Well. That is certainly interesting. Since there’s actually plenty of time this time around, I’m going to hold off on doing anything for a little while while I gather my thoughts on it. I also would hope that if he’s lying the real detective counter claims. ---
**Author:** ![RyJae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9d8465/32.png) [@RyJae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RyJae)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2008, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/1000 "2008-04-21T15:33:17Z")
[QUOTE=NAF1138] Hey all, I haven’t read the thread yet but I see that the scum made the mistake of not taking out a mason last Night. Stupid scum. I think I can break the game with last Night’s reading. Oh yeah, I am the Detective. BlaM is town (Night 1) Pedescribe is town (Night 2) Ice Cream Man (now Ryjae) is SCUM (Night 3) How do you like them apples. Looks like I am going to die now. See you all on the flip side. Got to catch up on my reading. Oh, and I pegged Ice Cream Man as scum based on my analysis of the vote patterns. I then made a case for him and decided not to vote for him so I could investigate him that Night without risking being killed. Turned up right. Do some real analysis and you might not have to worry about me not getting another chance to investigate. Hey town, I will be around toDay to try to provide analysis, but I sort of feel like my job here is done, so I am going to be focusing on the off board game. I think we just won. vote Ryjae Wow, that sucks for us. I was hoping to go through some more posts before doing what I think needed to be done in the first place by ICM but I am a Miller, but most certainly town. Wish it wasn’t so, so you could think you broke the game, but this doesn’t do it. This will surely mess up with the Day’s discussion being where it needs to be, but it does say you are town at least we have that. And you’re other investigations and masons as town so it does help our cause nonetheless. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974.md?page=49) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974.md?page=51)