# Mafia: Simpletown **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 27, 2008, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974 "2008-03-27T21:40:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 64
**Author:** ![RyJae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9d8465/32.png) [@RyJae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RyJae)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/1261 "2008-05-01T18:57:12Z")
[QUOTE=ShadowFacts] (color removed by me) Seriously? Do you have anything other than that he is “not even being looked at”? [/QUOTE] Damn right I do, he switched votes off a scum! I’ve seen others defend him as a new townie etc. Frankly it does **not** add up! He may be a new player but he is one of the most informed players in this game, able to metagame up there with experienced players because he read the previous games. His action did not read townie it read inexperienced scum, you cannot “read” what scum should do in the previous games unless you look at the perfect info board which I assume he didn’t do. So he knows the game, he analyzes like a pro, he’s playing a townie to the freaking T, and everyone wants to erase his glaring scum tell by brushing it aside as “inexperience” I’m fighting for my life because dang I want to live, but this reeks of everyone being played by a good first time player now with the help of an old hand. I think he is snookering you and his death will confirm that, where as I do not see bufftabby acting scummy in the least bit. RoOsh would be my vote, but voting on Nanook at least puts my vote somewhere I can firmly believe that I hit scum. I would vote RoOsh and probably still hit scum if my theory is correct but people are already attacking RoOsh I meanwhile am attacking who I believe to be the other scum. ---
**Author:** ![RyJae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9d8465/32.png) [@RyJae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RyJae)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/1262 "2008-05-01T19:06:02Z")
[QUOTE=RoOsh] That one-off vote is useless there, dude. Weak sauce. :dubious: [/QUOTE] Now you’re trying the scatter shot approach, lovely. I have consistently voted for Nanook NOTHING has changed to make me think Nanook is not scum. If anything it looks to me like someone told Nanook to keep his head down today while they orchestrated a lynch going a townies way. That means town will lose 4 and scum will lose none, you’d have to be blind or scum to ignore this. Nice attempt though, trying to help your partner out by trying to get the suspicions off Nanook. My theory is becoming more and more likely by the looks of these posts. ---
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/1263 "2008-05-01T19:07:20Z")
[QUOTE=ShadowFacts] Well, I decided to go back to the start of toDay to look closer at the RoOsh/bufftabby argument. Here’s a couple things I found: Note - this is after both **Blaster** and I suggested continuing against the unknowns and explaining why (plus it was a successful strategy yesterDay). Yet **RoOsh** doesn’t understand? Really? And he certainly never attacked either of us about it. (On a related note, he’s been absolutely adamant about voting for **RyJae**. Why? One potential motivation is that it’s easy to hide behind the Detective’s investigation if **RyJae** comes up town.) [/quote] You may also have noticed that I also explained my reasoning to RoOsh like, a billion times, and he still continues to act like I haven’t justified myself _whatsoever_. I’m glad somebody else is starting to see how scummy he is. Even if I get lynched today (which is looking ever-so-likely), you guys will know _exactly_ who to go after. [Quote=ShadowFacts] What **bufftabby** actually said was “You’re just too damn townie-wannabe for me.” Not a huge difference, but definitely a qualitative one. I find it very scummy when people mis-quote others, particularly when they actually use quotation marks. A minor point, to be sure, but a point nonetheless. I’m going to keep reading that argument to see if I come up with anything else, but we’re running out of time, so for now I am going to: **vote RoOsh** [/QUOTE] Yes, this is what I’ve been talking about that he’s been doing to me the past Day and a half. I knew I wasn’t just imagining this shit! ---
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/1264 "2008-05-01T19:12:50Z")
[QUOTE=RyJae] RoOsh would be my vote, but voting on Nanook at least puts my vote somewhere I can firmly believe that I hit scum. I would vote RoOsh and probably still hit scum if my theory is correct but people are already attacking RoOsh I meanwhile am attacking who I believe to be the other scum. [/QUOTE] So you’re basically throwing your vote away and letting me die, 'cause you just don’t feel like voting RoOsh right now? 'preciate it. ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/1265 "2008-05-01T19:12:55Z")
[QUOTE=RyJae] My theory is becoming more and more likely by the looks of these posts. [/QUOTE] Except your theory is wrong, and frankly kinda stupid. I’m this amazing mastermind player, on a level with storyteller from M2, but I made this incredibly stupid mistake early. Do you not see the contradiction in this? And I’m also this amazing player, but I need Roosh, who is apparently my scum partner, to tell me to keep my head down. And you’re telling the truth about being a miller and Roosh and I are scum, even though NAF, who knows the math behind these games better than 90% of the players do, stated that if you were miller there was only 3 scum to start. I actually thought there was a chance you were telling the truth about being a miller, maybe 40% chance or so, but now I think I’m with Blam, no more than single digit chance of that. You’re acting so much like you did right before you died in Batman it’s like you’re reading off a script. The Batman game you were PFK(think Serial Killer type) in I might point out. Not likely to be a SK here, but scum is scum, whether on a team or flying solo. ---
**Author:** ![RyJae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9d8465/32.png) [@RyJae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RyJae)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/1266 "2008-05-01T19:17:27Z")
[QUOTE=bufftabby] So you’re basically throwing your vote away and letting me die, 'cause you just don’t feel like voting RoOsh right now? 'preciate it. [/QUOTE] You won’t die if I can help it, thanks though for pointing that out for the scum. I benefit by you living I thought I left enough crumbs out there for you/others to catch. I do not think you’re scum, and if a tie was in place I was going to throw it on a person I suspected way more than you, RoOsh. But my main goal worked, it helped drag the second person in the scum wagon outta the oasis and into the forum, hiya Nanook. Nanook is now pulling the same shit as RoOsh, interesting isn’t it. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/1267 "2008-05-01T19:20:45Z")
> [@RyJae](#): > > If we ever eliminate a townie with our lynch then by all means cut me open and play with my miller innards. If we did that and you were a miller, WE’D LOSE. That’s another point in the scum category. ---
**Author:** ![RyJae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9d8465/32.png) [@RyJae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RyJae)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/1268 "2008-05-01T19:26:43Z")
Um pedescribe I’ve been pretty consistent with saying we need to hit scum, or I die. And that’s really all there is to it. That’s why I would like to see Nanook swing today because Nanook is scum and hiding behind “an innocent mistake” to boot. Nanook by far did the scummiest thing of any unconfirmed. bufftabby on the other hand hasn’t did shit and I think she is town, so if she dies that’s bad for town and bad for me. Because scum will be up 4 (as I kept saying over and over and over) with no loss. Nanook gets lynched, then RoOsh or vice versa and we win, cut and dry. With no need to dissect my innards. Unless of course bufftabby is scum and if that’s the case I deserve to die for falling for her complete and total towniness 100% ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/1269 "2008-05-01T19:27:34Z")
[QUOTE=Blaster Master] And I’m completely fine with a **Ryjae** lynch if we don’t agree. I’d just rather try to sort out the unconfirmeds while we have as many trustables as we can. Even if we lynch wrong Today, the remaining scum would have to be pretty damn bold to resist a **Ryjae** lynch Tomorrow. That said, let’s assume for a moment that we lynch Ryjae and he does, indeed, show up as scum, where do you think the last scum resides? At this point, I’d lynch **bufftabby** then **RoOsh**. **Shadow** seems to think **RoOsh** then **bufftabby**. I’d really like to know what you and **pedescribe** think. We even have orderings from all of the unconfirmeds implicitly. [/QUOTE] If I had to stack rank them, right now the order would be **bufftaby** **Nanook** then **RoOsh** although the last two are neck and neck. And great, now it looks like we’ve got our votes all over the flippin’ place. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/1270 "2008-05-01T19:29:40Z")
> [@RyJae](#): > > we need to hit scum, or I die. And that’s really all there is to it. No, you said, ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/1271 "2008-05-01T19:32:38Z")
[QUOTE=RyJae] But my main goal worked, it helped drag the second person in the scum wagon outta the oasis and into the forum, hiya Nanook. Nanook is now pulling the same shit as RoOsh, interesting isn’t it. :rolleyes: [/QUOTE] I have no idea what the hell this even means. I haven’t been lurking at all. What exactly am I doing that’s the same as Roosh? And for the record, at this point, if Bufftabby comes up town(I don’t think she will mind you, but it’s possible) I don’t think lynching you is the correct course of action. The reason I say this is there’s a non-zero, if vanishingly small, chance that lynching Roosh first will win the game on the spot. If town lynches you, bufftabby and Roosh, we will win, barring a godfather hiding in Blam/pedscribe(and if that’s the case, we’re probably fucked at this point regardless). The order doesn’t matter. As such, might as well take the option that has a chance to win sooner rather than later. ---
**Author:** ![RyJae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9d8465/32.png) [@RyJae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RyJae)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/1272 "2008-05-01T19:39:14Z")
What’s the vote count? Anyone know? And Nanook you have subtly changed what I was saying to make what I did say seem less relevant. Padawan is learning eh? ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/1273 "2008-05-01T19:40:54Z")
Anyone else notice that RyJae has _always_ gone with the assumption that there are four scum? It’s always ‘lynch two scum out of the three unknowns’ when he actually posts strategy (and could you please use caps? It’s soo annoying to read a chunk of solid text without caps), despite the fact that he says he’s a miller. So I found it interesting when he said: > [@RyJae](#): > > NAF had a good plan in place Keep in mind that NAF thought that there were three scum and a miller, or four scum. Why would RyJae assume two scum if he knew he was a miller AND he was following NAF’s plan. It puzzled me for a little while… but then I rememberd this: > [@RyJae](#): > > If we ever eliminate a townie with our lynch then by all means cut me open and play with my miller innards. If there are two scum LIKE HE’S ASSUMING, than HIS PLAN would MAKE TOWN LOSE. My theroy: he and either RoOsh or Bufftabby (if I’m right, it’s probably bufftabby, since RoOsh is working on her, and she’s the highest vote getter, so he’s trying to distince himself from that whole mess) are working to lose the town by this: Lynch a townie today, then RyJae takes a dive. While town is distracted, the last scum builds up massive townie cred, and we lose the coin flip on the last day. It’s a good plan, but scum smoke machines are generally easier to spot than unknown smoke machines. ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/1274 "2008-05-01T19:42:40Z")
[QUOTE=RyJae] And Nanook you have subtly changed what I was saying to make what I did say seem less relevant. Padawan is learning eh? [/QUOTE] What exactly have I changed? Show me where I did this. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/1275 "2008-05-01T19:43:51Z")
Pre-Seminar Vote Count: 3 - bufftabby (Blaster Master, Nanook of the North Shore, RoOsh) 2 - RyJae (pedescribe, peekercpa) 2 - RoOsh (bufftabby, ShadowFacts) 1 - Nanook of the North Shore (RyJae) ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/1276 "2008-05-01T19:44:44Z")
Also, does anyone see the similarity to his situation to CatInASuit’s behaivor in Conspiracy? Cat, when outed, falsley roleclaimed, than directed strategy clearly and falsely. If RyJae is scum, his behaivor is pretty much the same. Remember: if we’ve called out a scum, don’t believe anything he says! MadTheSwine almost pulled that. Blaster Master almost pulled that. CatInASuit pulled that, and almost got away with that. There’s a reason townie won (or will win :)) those games: they didn’t pay too much attention to them. They’re acting as a distraction. Nanook, peekercpa, Shadow Facts, Blaster Master, let’s take down the scum. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/1277 "2008-05-01T19:46:05Z")
P.S. I usually trust my former enemies the most. So RyJae, if you survive, you may wind up being defended by me. 🆒😃 ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/1278 "2008-05-01T19:49:32Z")
[QUOTE=Blaster Master] And I’m completely fine with a **Ryjae** lynch if we don’t agree. I’d just rather try to sort out the unconfirmeds while we have as many trustables as we can. Even if we lynch wrong Today, the remaining scum would have to be pretty damn bold to resist a **Ryjae** lynch Tomorrow. That said, let’s assume for a moment that we lynch Ryjae and he does, indeed, show up as scum, where do you think the last scum resides? At this point, I’d lynch **bufftabby** then **RoOsh**. **Shadow** seems to think **RoOsh** then **bufftabby**. I’d really like to know what you and **pedescribe** think. We even have orderings from all of the unconfirmeds implicitly. [/QUOTE] Well, we’ve got 15 minutes or so left with no consensus, so it looks like I will be switching my vote to **RyJae**. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/1279 "2008-05-01T19:49:54Z")
I don’t see even a remote concensus between the four confirmeds. So, I’m going to change my vote to **Ryjae**. **Shadow** , if you’re around, please do the same. Unvote **bufftabby** Vote **Ryjae** ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/1280 "2008-05-01T19:51:48Z")
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