# Mafia: Simpletown **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 27, 2008, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974 "2008-03-27T21:40:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2008, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/121 "2008-03-29T00:41:25Z")
[QUOTE=Queen of Town] I’m just sort of hanging back at the moment and trying to listen and learn from the more experienced players. **Mindwanderer** and **Blaster Master** are on a whole different plane than me right now, so I think the only thing for me to do is vote random and try to keep up. 😃 [/QUOTE] It’s good that we have a lot of new blood in this game (I myself have played in a couple of games, but still consider myself a novice), but please be cautious about over-reliance on veteran players’ experience. In the You-Solve-It game, there was a new player who got in a little over her head (didn’t understand the time commitment and also had strong emotional reactions to people accusing her of stuff), and several times she essentially said (paraphrase): “I don’t know who to vote for - someone tell me what to do.” This is extremely poor play for Town, as it invites Scum manipulation. So despite being new to the game, I encourage everyone to not be intimidated: do your own analysis and don’t be led around by the nose by veterans. (Yes, I recognize the irony of my post giving advice to new people sort of telling those same new people not to listen too much to advice. 😛 ) ---
**Author:** ![MadTheSwine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MadTheSwine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MadTheSwine)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2008, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/122 "2008-03-29T00:43:34Z")
[QUOTE=Blaster Master] NETA: This is pure fluff but, **Queen of Town** , I find your username amusing in the context of this game. For your sake, I hope it is coinicidence and not irony. [/QUOTE] Hehe, I was thinking the same thing BM. That said, HI Everyone! I’m back from my mafia sabbatical,time for a nice relaxing game of mafia :rolleyes: . ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2008, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/123 "2008-03-29T01:14:21Z")
> [@Queen Of Town](#): > > This game is already turning me paranoid. Did Mindwanderer volunteer to crunch numbers so he can lead us astray? Is pedescribe such an eager beaver because he’s new, or because he’s trying to cast suspicion on everyone other than him? I just don’t know! Don’t like random. Sounds like an accusation with no accountability. \*\* Vote Queen of Town\*\* ---
**Author:** ![Euryphaessa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Euryphaessa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euryphaessa)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2008, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/124 "2008-03-29T01:34:38Z")
[QUOTE=ShadowFacts] It’s good that we have a lot of new blood in this game (I myself have played in a couple of games, but still consider myself a novice), but please be cautious about over-reliance on veteran players’ experience. In the You-Solve-It game, there was a new player who got in a little over her head (didn’t understand the time commitment and also had strong emotional reactions to people accusing her of stuff), and several times she essentially said (paraphrase): “I don’t know who to vote for - someone tell me what to do.” This is extremely poor play for Town, as it invites Scum manipulation. So despite being new to the game, I encourage everyone to not be intimidated: do your own analysis and don’t be led around by the nose by veterans. (Yes, I recognize the irony of my post giving advice to new people sort of telling those same new people not to listen too much to advice. 😛 ) [/QUOTE] Thanks, I appreciate the advice. I think I was sort of sending off the wrong vibes, I understand better now how the game should be played. ---
**Author:** ![Ice\_Cream\_Man](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9f8e36/32.png) [@Ice\_Cream\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ice_Cream_Man)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2008, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/125 "2008-03-29T03:35:07Z")
Is the possible (but not in reality) Queen of Town reference the character that takes up a day after she dies? I found a flash tutorial online that mentioned something like this. Here it is: [http://www.sitesled.com/members/mikeburnfire/mafiascum04.swf](http://www.sitesled.com/members/mikeburnfire/mafiascum04.swf) (for other newbs) ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2008, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/126 "2008-03-29T03:44:24Z")
I’m SO glad I missed the signup for this one! (And I’m not even going to read past the first page for now, just in case it’s still open.) 😃 [QUOTE=Nanook of the North Shore] I know I can’t help but think SCUM whenever I see a post by Santo Rugger [/QUOTE] How rude!! 😃 K, I’m out, have fun guys! ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2008, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/127 "2008-03-29T04:29:56Z")
> [@Blaster Master](#): > > Going “I agree with so-and-so” doesn’t cut it. Along those same lines, please, everybody, don’t go “vote \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ for the same/similar reasons I said yesterday/before.” It is so confusing, and it lets scum get away with idiotic/fallistic reasoning because nobody cares enough to look it up. I’d rather people quote themselves than do this. And I don’t see anyone acting too suspicious since I last posted. I’m inclined to take **Queen of Town’s** comments at face value, and **Blaster Master** & **Shadowfax** are giving advice which seems reasonable. Not sure if they’re doing it for reasonable reasons though. I’ll have to look it over again. ---
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2008, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/128 "2008-03-29T05:14:40Z")
My goodness, that all took a minute to catch up with. I didn’t expect so much posting to have already taken place! Hmm…the last game was a no-lynch Day One, and I don’t really think it was helpful. We killed plenty of town anyway! If nobody emerges as a scum frontrunner in the next 48 hours or so, I suppose I’ll choose someone at random. But I don’t especially like random choices, because that’s not really much of a choice. So I’m going to hold off on voting for now. I wanna see how this plays out. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2008, 9:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/129 "2008-03-29T09:16:18Z")
I still don’t see how random helps at all. Seems like just DBS (diversionary bull shit) for scum to justify any vote they feel inclined to make. I mean, FCS, at least have a reason even if it’s based on name or post count. Guess I ain’t gonna be worth a shit at this. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2008, 9:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/130 "2008-03-29T09:52:05Z")
Upthread Ice Cream Man makes a statement along the lines of (blackberry coding curses) waiting to see where the votes accumulate before he votes sounds kind of scummy to me. We can win this thing right now if we lynch everyone but me. If you don’t agree, then die scum, die. ---
**Author:** ![MadTheSwine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MadTheSwine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MadTheSwine)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2008, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/131 "2008-03-29T13:29:24Z")
[QUOTE=peekercpa] Upthread Ice Cream Man makes a statement along the lines of (blackberry coding curses) waiting to see where the votes accumulate before he votes sounds kind of scummy to me. We can win this thing right now if we lynch everyone but me. If you don’t agree, then die scum, die. [/QUOTE] That does seem odd.I also thought asking for examples of mistakes is scummy. Vote Ice Cream Man ---
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2008, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/132 "2008-03-29T14:25:20Z")
Yes and no. We have a lot of newbies in this game, and I don’t think newbie tells are the same as for more veteran players. In my first game, I was completely town but was mortified of “screwing up”. This got me lynched on, what, Day 3? But, that didn’t change the fact that I was Town. > [@Menocchio](#): > > I’m sick as a dog atm, so I’m not firing on all four cylinders, but can someone explain how the scum could give themselves away by not voting randomly? Town will use a set of 15 (each eliminating him or herself, as we saw above), while cautious scum will use a set of ~12 (bolder scum may include other scum in the set of possible choices). Since we’ll only get a single sample, I’m not sure how we could distinguish them. Not so much today. Barring a big mistake by scum (like bandwagoning someone, but that’s one example), I don’t think it’s possible to grab someone based on voting on Day 1. I’m also going to **vote Menocchio** Just for kicks mostly, but the question you asked seemed slightly weird for a veteran. ---
**Author:** ![Koldanar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@Koldanar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koldanar)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2008, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/133 "2008-03-29T14:47:35Z")
[QUOTE=peekercpa] Upthread Ice Cream Man makes a statement along the lines of (blackberry coding curses) waiting to see where the votes accumulate before he votes sounds kind of scummy to me. We can win this thing right now if we lynch everyone but me. If you don’t agree, then die scum, die. [/QUOTE] Now see, thats a rather aggressive stance, and it sounds like you’re trying to almost claim town, as in 😉 guys hey, I’m townie here! This isn’t anything to vote on, but it’s definitely something to watch. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2008, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/134 "2008-03-29T15:08:00Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > Seems like just DBS (diversionary bull shit) for scum to justify any vote they feel inclined to make. This sounds to me like aggresive townie. It just seems too…direct to be thought over and stripped of evidence (which a scum member would probably do). I still don’t think we’ve heard from **zuma** or **Sitnam**. We need _everyone_ to help flush out the scum in our midst, c’mon guys! ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2008, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/135 "2008-03-29T15:30:02Z")
Now that I think about it I am inclined to move my vote to Ice Cream Man. But no way I am trying to code that change on this flippin’ Blackberry. And to Koldanar and pedescribe if I am too aggressive so be it. This is the first game I have ever played so my “unique” style is what it is. Oh and BTW, yes I am an “aggressive” townie trying to avenge NAF’s murder. ---
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2008, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/136 "2008-03-29T15:32:41Z")
[QUOTE=peekercpa] Just a heads up. On the weekend I am pretty much limited to posting from my Blackberry so they may not be as substantial as if I was at my normal computer. I’ll try to keep them at least as coherent as tdn’s. [/QUOTE] Oh, just on the weekend eh? You see, the Blackberry is my _only_ form of internet. I tend to be reasonably coherent, so I expect the same of you! 😉 Seriously, these things are crackberries. I love the damn things. [Slightly off-topic nerd whisper]What kind do you have? For the love of og, tell me it’s not a Pearl![/nerd whisper] **fluiddruid** , I keep forgetting you’re not the game mod this time around. I’m like, Why is she posting that? Oh yeah. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Ice\_Cream\_Man](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9f8e36/32.png) [@Ice\_Cream\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ice_Cream_Man)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2008, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/137 "2008-03-29T15:40:12Z")
[QUOTE=peekercpa] Upthread Ice Cream Man makes a statement along the lines of (blackberry coding curses) waiting to see where the votes accumulate before he votes sounds kind of scummy to me. [/QUOTE] I think you’re confusing me with someone else. I was the 3rd person to vote (for WF Tomba, reasoning: random). I voted an hour and a half into the game. [QUOTE=MadTheSwine] That does seem odd.I also thought asking for examples of mistakes is scummy. Vote Ice Cream Man [/QUOTE] In my defense I was responding to Koldanar when he said: > [@](#): > > It has been my experience that the more experienced (esp. if they’re scum) tend to jump all over newbie mistakes as “OMG He’s scum!!!” ---
**Author:** ![Menocchio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de053/32.png) [@Menocchio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Menocchio)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2008, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/138 "2008-03-29T15:43:16Z")
[QUOTE=fluiddruid] Yes and no. We have a lot of newbies in this game, and I don’t think newbie tells are the same as for more veteran players. In my first game, I was completely town but was mortified of “screwing up”. This got me lynched on, what, Day 3? But, that didn’t change the fact that I was Town. Not so much today. Barring a big mistake by scum (like bandwagoning someone, but that’s one example), I don’t think it’s possible to grab someone based on voting on Day 1. [/QUOTE] So, random is just more honest? Ok, I’ll take it. Random roll (honest!): **fluiddruid** ---
**Author:** ![Menocchio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de053/32.png) [@Menocchio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Menocchio)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2008, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/139 "2008-03-29T15:44:30Z")
That’s **Vote fluiddruid** ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2008, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974/140 "2008-03-29T15:47:32Z")
Bufftabby: I’ve got the latest and greatest (according to IM) AT+T version that even has a camera (what use that would be I have no clue). How do you code votes on or reference quotes on these stinking things? You just gotta love sitting around with the family eating dinner out while getting thumbal tunnel syndrome replying to the retards at work. Just kidding, couldn’t live without it although it does remind me of having a new born that requires constant attention. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-simpletown/442974.md?page=8)