# Mafia--T2: Behind the Scenes **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 2, 2008, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699 "2008-09-02T17:07:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2008, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/201 "2008-09-05T21:42:01Z")
Vote Count: Complete Votes None Incomplete Votes None Extra Effects Sarah Connor is currently intimidtating anyone voting for CatInASuit. Totals: CatInASuit: (-3) (Sarah Connor Special Effect) ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2008, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/202 "2008-09-05T21:58:47Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > Vote Count: > > Complete Votes > None > > Incomplete Votes > None > > Extra Effects > Sarah Connor is currently intimidtating anyone voting for CatInASuit. > Totals: > CatInASuit: (-3) (Sarah Connor Special Effect) So, what happens if no one votes before the Day ends…everyone but CIAS dies as a result of a massive tie? Oh wait, that’s my game. Tie here = no lynch right? Is it possible for thier to be a tie with the boarda count system? More to the point, will it be easy to spot and avoid? Gah! ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2008, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/203 "2008-09-05T22:09:44Z")
Does anyone know when the DAY ends? (because I’m going to be away for 24 hours - I would not like to get mod-killed for that reason 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2008, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/204 "2008-09-05T22:10:47Z")
Bold and green. Bold and green. I will not answer seemingly mod-directed questions unless they are in bold and green. ---
**Author:** ![Flyfisheron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/fbc32d/32.png) [@Flyfisheron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flyfisheron)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2008, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/205 "2008-09-05T22:13:13Z")
> [@Total\_Lost](#): > > Does anyone know when the DAY ends? > > (because I’m going to be away for 24 hours - I would not like to get mod-killed for that reason 🙂 The Day ends next Friday at noon. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2008, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/206 "2008-09-05T22:14:02Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > Bold and green. Bold and green. I will not answer seemingly mod-directed questions unless they are in bold and green. I know. Unless I wasn’t one of those “people” you were talking to. In which case, I will shut up. ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2008, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/207 "2008-09-05T22:20:02Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > Bold and green. Bold and green. I will not answer seemingly mod-directed questions unless they are in bold and green. I agree - everyone (but me) ought to remember this!!.. and just for fun: I might remember it too 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2008, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/208 "2008-09-05T23:58:41Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > So what do you guys think? I think it’s an even dumber idea than the last time you had it. Doc claims honestly, T-1000 copies him, and protects himself every Night. This makes him immune to our Vig(s). The next Night he copies our Doc. I don’t see how this is in any way advantageous. In other news, I’m going to be in Farmington this weekend, I’ll shoot you a PM. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2008, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/209 "2008-09-06T00:00:47Z")
Also, I’ll be gone all weekend. NAF, can you tell **tdn** if it comes up? ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2008, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/210 "2008-09-06T00:01:03Z")
> [@Santo\_Rugger](#): > > I think it’s an even dumber idea than the last time you had it. Doc claims honestly, T-1000 copies him, and protects himself every Night. This makes him immune to our Vig(s). The next Night he copies our Doc. I don’t see how this is in any way advantageous. > > In other news, I’m going to be in Farmington this weekend, I’ll shoot you a PM. Or he copies the bus driver, and if any Vig takes a shot at him a townie dies instead. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2008, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/211 "2008-09-06T00:05:13Z")
> [@Flyfisheron](#): > > Personally, I was “18-20” vanilla scum. No special “quirk” to speak of, although **the method of killing seemed a little strange to me** - that may be due to the fact that I’ve only played games where there is a “group lynch”, and have never played as scum, so don’t really know how the whole scum-thing works. Care to elaborate? > [@Rysto](#): > > Or he copies the bus driver, and if any Vig takes a shot at him a townie dies instead. That would get him busted if the Bus Driver and Vig both claimed, but you’re completely right. I don’t like it one bit. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2008, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/212 "2008-09-06T00:12:21Z")
> [@Santo\_Rugger](#): > > Also, I’ll be gone all weekend. > > NAF, can you tell **tdn** if it comes up? Sure thing. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2008, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/213 "2008-09-06T01:22:56Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > What the hell is that supposed to mean? > If they know who he isn’t then they know who he is. > > The only way I can make sense of this is if they know a subset of who he is not. That is, The scum know who half of the town are, but the T-1000 is unknown amongst the other half. > > NAF, could you clarify this for us? Catching up. Cripes one afternoon on the golf course and the heavy hitters come out of the wood work. And I read the post where **pede** clarifies that isn’t really isn’t isn’t but really is is (GD I feel like Bill Clinton). But why ask **Naf** for clarification? Did I miss something? ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2008, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/214 "2008-09-06T01:28:24Z")
NAF (allegedly) received a scum role round one, and can potentially dish the details about what his PM might have said with respect to the other scummies. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2008, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/215 "2008-09-06T01:33:18Z")
And I think the whole Borda count thing could be potentially fascinating. Who you _don’t_ vote for is almost as telling who you do. Depending on how deep we get into this game, I believe that it provides town an edge. Having said that, it’s going to take someone a hell of a lot smarter than me to crunch the numbers. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2008, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/216 "2008-09-06T01:59:21Z")
I think that the Borda count voting is going to make it critical that Townies state their suspicions as early as possible. My worry is that the later somebody votes, the easier it is to vote strategically(which is obviously most value to the scum). If the Town publicly state their suspicions ahead of time, then a late scum voter will be constrained by their public “suspicions” and will find it much more difficult to vote strategically. I personally will be looking askance at anybody who’s continually coming in late with key votes, especially if it contradicts previously stated suspicions or if they didn’t name any suspects before the vote. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2008, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/217 "2008-09-06T02:26:24Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > NAF (allegedly) received a scum role round one, and can potentially dish the details about what his PM might have said with respect to the other scummies. I understand that. My question was why does **sach** think that a preset **naf** Jester has any type of insight on a postset T-1000? Jeepers, no makey no sense as usual. And in other news **ESPN** will be included on basic cable. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2008, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/218 "2008-09-06T04:02:45Z")
> [@Santo\_Rugger](#): > > I think it’s an even dumber idea than the last time you had it. Doc claims honestly, T-1000 copies him, and protects himself every Night. This makes him immune to our Vig(s). The next Night he copies our Doc. I don’t see how this is in any way advantageous. > > In other news, I’m going to be in Farmington this weekend, I’ll shoot you a PM. I think its a decent idea but I’m not to push it beyond trying to generate some conversation. Here isn’t problem with worry about the t-1000 copying people there are four other scum that don’t have that option. We could use a mass claim to flush them out and then we would be able to look just for the t-1000. Also if the t-1000 is copying the doc every night we can just rolebloc his ass and then we don’t have to worry about that either. My biggest concern is that it might expose some one important but looking through the role every one has a second role that is equivalent except for John Connor. Now it wouldn’t supprise me if part of the scum win condition involved killing him but with all of the redudency on our side it doesn’t particularly worry me to lose any single role. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2008, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/219 "2008-09-06T04:25:53Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > I understand that. My question was why does **sach** think that a preset **naf** Jester has any type of insight on a postset T-1000? It’s really not that weird. NAF claims pre-reset scum. In his PM he would have been told whatever information he (scum) deserve regarding the T-1000. Therefore NAF knows to what extent scum know who the T-1000 is. Voila! ---
**Author:** ![Flyfisheron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/fbc32d/32.png) [@Flyfisheron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flyfisheron)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2008, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/220 "2008-09-06T04:49:44Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > Now it wouldn’t supprise me if part of the scum win condition involved killing him but with all of the redudency on our side it doesn’t particularly worry me to lose any single role. According to my initial role PM, the scum only need to outnumber town, or last longer than a preset number of days. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699.md?page=12)