# Mafia--T2: Behind the Scenes **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 2, 2008, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699 "2008-09-02T17:07:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2008, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/261 "2008-09-07T03:14:02Z")
Vote Count! Complete Votes Storyteller: 1. NBC, 2. Storyteller, 3. Cookies Incomplete Votes Peeker: 1.Sach, 3. Rysto NOTE: INCOMPLETE VOTES DO NOT COUNT TOWARDS DUSK TALLIES Extra Effects Sarah Connor is currently intimidtating anyone voting for CatInASuit. Totals: Sach: (3) (Peeker 1st) NBC: (3) (Storyteller 1st) Storyteller: (2) (Storyteller 2nd) Cookies: (1) (Storyteller 3rd) Rysto: (1) (Peeker 3rd) CatInASuit: (-3) (Sarah Connor Special Effect) ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2008, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/262 "2008-09-07T03:37:33Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > I’m curious, Peeker. What exactly is the difference, by your estimation, between the thesis behind what AH said and the thesis behind what I’ve been saying? Let me try. I thought that **sach** was displaying post set knowledge that makes him questionable. **AH** said it more bluntly but it was what I was thinking. You, seemed to be running interference for him. And ultimately this is why I removed my vote from you. In my first game **shadow** (we were Masons) covered my ass and lollipopped me a couple of questions. Upon re-read it was ovious as hell. That’s the feeling that your response to my question to **sach** felt like. But when I really sat down and drank about it you folks are to experienced for that nonsense. WIFOM aside. Make any kind of sense? If not, I’ll try again if you so desire. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2008, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/263 "2008-09-07T03:57:35Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > (1) _Were_ you scum? > (2) Which scum role? > (3) Did you have a quirk, and if so, what was it? > > No pro-Town reason on Earth not to answer this. Rysto says he never received his first PM and therefor can’t confirm or deny NAF’s testimony, nor answer the rest of the questions. Does he get a pass, or do you think that makes him suspicious? ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2008, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/264 "2008-09-07T04:24:30Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > (1) _Were_ you scum? > (2) Which scum role? > (3) Did you have a quirk, and if so, what was it?. \ For the first time in my life I am going to be a smart ass. What’s the friggin’ point. The only way that this has any town benefit is if a previous scum with an idntifiable quirk is now town and that quirk is the same post reset. I don’t think our Mods are that obtuse (well maybe). I’ll answer your questions, however. Based on a previous life. I’m chanelling heavily so be patient. 1. Ask the peasants 2. Tsar Nicholas 3. My son suffered from being a hermaphrodite. Now we are getting somewhere. Sheesh. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2008, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/265 "2008-09-07T04:25:10Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > And… > > So… you can’t see a reason someone would lie about what they were in the past (Quote 1). > > But you can’t see a reason we should pay attention to what people said they were in the past (presumably because they could be lying) - Quote 3 > > No one has any reason to lie about what they were in the past (Quote 1) but Town might lie to cover up Town quirks (Quote 2)? > > I think you’re saying whatever you can to push suspicion on **sachertorte** , whether it makes sense or holds together or what. > > I think you’re scum. Your presumption is wrong, I see no reason why we should pay attention to role prior to reset, as it is no indication of current scumminess and the information handed out so far has not enhanced our understanding of the scum powers above what was contained in the oringinal role post. So based on an incorrect assumption you think I am saying what ever I can to push suspicion on Sachertorte and thus think I am scum. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2008, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/266 "2008-09-07T04:32:45Z")
**Mod Question** **Were all role PMs sent before the reset?** This a yes or no question, BTW. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2008, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/267 "2008-09-07T04:44:37Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > **Mod Question** > > **Were all role PMs sent before the reset?** > > This a yes or no question, BTW. I sent all but two. Drainbead and NBC only recieved one. Unfortunately, I had to delete my sent items folder to make space, so I have no proof of this. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2008, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/268 "2008-09-07T05:17:36Z")
And while I see no advantage of discussing pre v post roles it would be interesting to know why **Rysto** is apparently lying. Not a real strong town plus mark in my book. Reshuffle coming. **Unvote all** ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2008, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/269 "2008-09-07T05:22:12Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > **Flyfisheron** , **Squid** , **One and Only Wanderers** , and **Rysto** : > > NAF has identified you as pre-reset scum. I would like you to explicitly state whether or not your previous role had a “quirk.” And if it did, what it was. > > Thanks. Was scum. No quirk. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2008, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/270 "2008-09-07T05:25:57Z")
**1. Vote rysto 2. Vote sach 3. Vote peeker** 1. Is a placeholder BTW. I was going to put **story** there but it seems so contrived. I am sure that after a couple more days thay I’ll come up with something. Work Mods work. ---
**Author:** ![Flyfisheron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/fbc32d/32.png) [@Flyfisheron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flyfisheron)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2008, 6:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/271 "2008-09-07T06:41:35Z")
> [@NaturalBlondChap](#): > > Post 122 Thanks, NBC… I guess it makes sense that us ‘vanilla scum’ weren’t informed who was the Jester… I just never made the connection. I was PM’d as an 18-20: T-1000, and wasn’t in the role long enough to catch on to the math and see that made only 3 Vanilla. If NAF was the Jester (as he claims), does anyone think that there was something to made of the order in which the players were listed in the PM? When the other scum were listed for me (as an **F** ), the other names are listed in the order O, B, N, R. ---
**Author:** ![Almost\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/919ad9/32.png) [@Almost\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Almost_Human)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2008, 10:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/272 "2008-09-07T10:34:36Z")
Sorry, can’t figure out the inner workings of the board so in the quotes the normal text is mine and the bold text is Sach’s and it’s all relating to his post 251 > [@](#): > > Quote: > Originally Posted by Almost Human View Post > What’s getting to me though is why is Sachertorte assuming that NAF is going to tell the truth about anything else preset scum related? > > **Who the hell said I was assuming anything?** Perhaps you weren’t but the tone of your posts to NAF have certainly sounded that way to me. > [@](#): > > Quote: > After all, as the Jester, he’d presumably have had a different role pm to the other scum so he could lie to his heart’s content if he wanted to. There’s no reason to expect him to be town this time around so what gives? > > **So because someone might lie, you don’t want to ask questions? I want to put scum in a position where they have to lie to us and put their lie on record. Then I want to catch them in the lie.** > Gah! Of course I want to catch people out in lies - are you deliberately misunderstanding me? My point was this: As the Jester pre-reset his role pm would be unique. If he’s town this time all well and good - no doubt he’s telling the truth but I don’t see how he’d have knowledge of the other scum roles other than who had them which he’s already told us, therefore no new information to be gained as a way of catching out any other scum in a lie. But if he’s still scum then nothing he says is going to be contradicted as regards to his role. It’d be really nice if the current Jester popped up and said “Actually that isn’t how the role works - you’re lying” but I think it’s highly unlikely don’t you? So yeah, I don’t see how asking him further questions is going to catch any scum out. > [@](#): > > Quote: > Does Sachertorte know that NAF’s town this time around because he’s scum himself? > > **Where did this come from?** > > > [@](#): > > > > Quote: > > Is Sachertorte scum and trying to make his fellow scum NAF look innocent this time around? > > > > **Ha. That’s funny. Do you really think anyone here is stupid enough to accept NAF as Town, simply because … wait a second. I haven’t done anything to imply NAF was Town. Peaches Christ. You don’t know what’s swimming around in my head or what my opinion of NAF is. All I’ve done is ask him questions about his pre-reset role. How exactly does that ‘make him look innocent?’** I’m speculating as you well know. Without anything more concrete to go on you look suspicious to me and I’ve said why. No, I don’t know what’s swimming around in your head but you do seem to be getting unecessarily peeved over a few relatively mild musings at such an early stage of the game. ---
**Author:** ![Almost\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/919ad9/32.png) [@Almost\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Almost_Human)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2008, 10:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/273 "2008-09-07T10:45:11Z")
> [@Flyfisheron](#): > > Thanks, NBC… I guess it makes sense that us ‘vanilla scum’ weren’t informed who was the Jester… I just never made the connection. I was PM’d as an 18-20: T-1000, and wasn’t in the role long enough to catch on to the math and see that made only 3 Vanilla. > > If NAF was the Jester (as he claims), does anyone think that there was something to made of the order in which the players were listed in the PM? > > When the other scum were listed for me (as an **F** ), the other names are listed in the order O, B, N, R. So you’re basically saying that if you OAOW and Squid were vanilla scum and NAF was Jester then Rysto must’ve been the T1000? If that’s the case and only DB and NBC didn’t receive pre reset pms then I’d be very interested to hear what Rysto has to say about his claim to have only received one pm. [[off topic - Peeker I’m positively geriatric myself but the meds usually make me forget it - off topic]] ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2008, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/274 "2008-09-07T11:40:22Z")
we were3 all T1000’s as I understand it. ---
**Author:** ![Almost\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/919ad9/32.png) [@Almost\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Almost_Human)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2008, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/275 "2008-09-07T11:46:55Z")
> [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > we were3 all T1000’s as I understand it. Sorry, meant to write was Rysto the Secret agent T1000 ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2008, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/276 "2008-09-07T12:57:08Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > You people have no patience. Like a fine wine, this Day is best savored slowly and deliberately. We have information swimming about and trying to get a handle on what information exists and what it then means is going to take some time. I like that part of you post! And isn’t that why the “Borda count voting” (what ever does “Borda” mean???) is good for the Town? Because if I got it right - it means that the DAY can’t end premature (with the hammer-voting impossible?) ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2008, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/277 "2008-09-07T13:02:33Z")
> [@Almost\_Human](#): > > Sorry, meant to write was Rysto the Secret agent T1000 Maybe that’s the quirk. The SA T - 1000 doesn’t get a PM. You betcha. And I think I have found my long lost cuata. I went to **A** lamo **H** eights high school. And now we have a new player that is thinking like me. Of course, talk to the vets and being included in this “special” club might not be a positive thing. The fact that we are both probably having a breakfast high in fiber is just icing on the cake. 'Course I have to scrape most of the icing off since it is so chock full of the bad types of fat. No corner or edge piece for me, thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2008, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/278 "2008-09-07T13:09:06Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > And… > I think you’re saying whatever you can to push suspicion on **sachertorte** , whether it makes sense or holds together or what. > > I think you’re scum. I should probably let this go, but just let me get this right If I say something that makes sense and it makes me suspicious of **sachertorte** that makes me scum If I say something that does not make sense and it makes me suspicious of **sachertorte** that also makes me scum So what I do and do not say is irrelevent. For you to think some one is scum all they need to do is raise an eyebrow (not even a vote ) in **sachertorte** direction. Why do you have such a faith that **sachertorte** is not sucm and any slight questioning of his line of reasoning is scummy. I assume you have as much knowledge as the rest of us as to the scumminess or not of him or would that be a bad assumption. ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2008, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/279 "2008-09-07T13:09:35Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > 1. Sarah Conner–Every dawn, she intimidates someone or the people voting for somone, which makes them start with +3 lynch points, or -3 lynch points. Starting day 3, she drives people insane, making people lose their powers. 1 person on day 3, 2 on day 4, etc. Powerless people might be targeted, and the same person might be targeted repeatedly. I’m not sure what to think af Sarah Conner - but since she had to vote at dawn, could she have information about Town, that only she knows? Is her voting today a guess or is it significant? ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2008, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/280 "2008-09-07T13:13:25Z")
> [@Total\_Lost](#): > > I like that part of you post! And isn’t that why the “Borda count voting” (what ever does “Borda” mean???) is good for the Town? > Because if I got it right - it means that the DAY can’t end premature (with the hammer-voting impossible?) Yepper it ain’t ending early but positional placement for stretching is going to be highly strategic. Thank Og that we are only going three deep. Any further and I would have to fly to Nigeria to find a cafe to do my voting. And beware the wine. Princess Bride certainly confirms this. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699.md?page=15)