# Mafia--T2: Behind the Scenes **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 2, 2008, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699 "2008-09-02T17:07:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2008, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/281 "2008-09-07T13:19:59Z")
NETA If **sach** is drinking then both are clear. If you are on deck then you be phuqued 'cause both are death makers. Just to let you know. That’s just the way he plays. Nothing wrong with that, BTW. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2008, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/282 "2008-09-07T13:38:58Z")
[Oog]I just want to say thank you to the newbies in the pool. **TL** , **AH** , and **ESPN** (I told you that you would get upgraded to the standard package). Some of the old tight asses in this forum need to be shaken up.[/oog] ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2008, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/283 "2008-09-07T13:40:57Z")
> [@Total\_Lost](#): > > I’m not sure what to think af Sarah Conner - but since she had to vote at dawn, could she have information about Town, that only she knows? > Is her voting today a guess or is it significant? I would geuss (FWTIW) that it is a pure random vote. I can´t see SC voting for herself (ok the player could be a he, but writing Sarah Conner voting for himself seams wrong) as it would sort of attract attention in her direction. Why she picked the well dressed cat, who knows, random pick, some snuggling due to prior game interactions, or Sarah Conner is a crazy cat lady. We do know that the power is activated at dawn, and I geuss SC cannot change it during the day. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2008, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/284 "2008-09-07T13:46:44Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > [Oog]I just want to say thank you to the newbies in the pool. **TL** , **AH** , and **ESPN** (I told you that you would get upgraded to the standard package). Some of the old tight asses in this forum need to be shaken up.[/oog] Been hitting the juice early this morning Peeky 😛 Thanks dude, now after a few hours of incisive analysis it is time to go and fire up the parilla and cook a sizeable chunk of cow for the folks. Consider yourselves virtually invited. Should I post anything more today please be aware my thought process will have been lubricated by a low viscosity mix of Malbec and decongestants. You may not notice any change. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2008, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/285 "2008-09-07T14:20:15Z")
> [@NaturalBlondChap](#): > > I should probably let this go, but just let me get this right > If I say something that makes sense and it makes me suspicious of **sachertorte** that makes me scum > > If I say something that does not make sense and it makes me suspicious of **sachertorte** that also makes me scum I think you are trying to make other people suspicious of sachertorte whether or not your reasons make any sense. Which they don’t; your reasoning is internally inconsistent. You’re just saying whatever. > [@](#): > > For you to think some one is scum all they need to do is raise an eyebrow (not even a vote ) in **sachertorte** direction. An absolute mischaracterization. All they need to do is make an inconsistent argument. > [@](#): > > Why do you have such a faith that **sachertorte** is not sucm and any slight questioning of his line of reasoning is scummy. I assume you have as much knowledge as the rest of us as to the scumminess or not of him or would that be a bad assumption. I haven’t the faintest idea what sach is. I don’t need to know his alignment to know that your argument is faulty. My feeling that your argument is scummy exists independently of whether sach turns out to be scum or not. And I really hope, at this point in our collective Mafia-playing experience, we have come to learn the difference between attacking an argument against a player and defending that player. ---
**Author:** ![Almost\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/919ad9/32.png) [@Almost\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Almost_Human)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2008, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/286 "2008-09-07T14:23:01Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > Maybe that’s the quirk. The SA T - 1000 doesn’t get a PM. You betcha. > > And I think I have found my long lost cuata. I went to **A** lamo **H** eights high school. And now we have a new player that is thinking like me. Of course, talk to the vets and being included in this “special” club might not be a positive thing. > > The fact that we are both probably having a breakfast high in fiber is just icing on the cake. 'Course I have to scrape most of the icing off since it is so chock full of the bad types of fat. No corner or edge piece for me, thanks. But the bad fats are the best bits - live on the edge a little before the commode and the male nurse called Todd becomes your best friend. Coincidentally Almost Human is a special effects company that worked for the Sarah Connor Chronicles which is odd because I’ve used this name on other things before. I’ll admit to being a tad concerned about being in your “special club” but as long as we can swap pills and grumble at “kids these days” from the porch I guess it could be fun. Even more worrying - I seem to be able to understand most of what you’re saying though I’ve no clue what ‘cuata’ means’ but it sounds kind of dirty 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2008, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/287 "2008-09-07T14:30:57Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > Rysto says he never received his first PM and therefor can’t confirm or deny NAF’s testimony, nor answer the rest of the questions. Does he get a pass, or do you think that makes him suspicious? Frankly, in light of **pedescribe’s** statements, **Rysto** looks a bit suspicious. Particularly given that of all the scum roles that might have quirks, obviously the Jester and the T-1000 are the ones most likely to (the vanilla scum are probably all identical). It’s entirely possible that, if the T-1000 is the scum role with a quirk (and bear in mind, we have no idea, really, if any scum roles have quirks at all; the quirks may all be Townie in nature), Rysto was given the same role back again, or given a new scum role, in order to keep the quirk from being revealed. In such a case, lying that the original PM was never received would be your best course. So I’m moving Rysto onto my list in your place: unvote all [/color [color=blue] 1. Vote NBC 2. Vote storyteller 3. Vote Rysto (Leaving him in the third position, rather than the second, to reflect the essentially vague nature of this suspicion). * * * To **peeker** : information, particularly about the aims and abilities of the scum, is _always_ of value in this game. If both **NAF** and **Rysto** turn out to be Town, then we may be somewhat (not entirely) confident that there _are_ no scum quirks, and that we know everything there is to know about the scum’s powers and abilities. If you’ll think back on how uncertain the existence of hidden powers made us all in Conspiracy, you’ll realize why that’s valuable. On the other hand, if we discover along the way somehow that the Jester (for instance) has a quirk not evident in his role PM - I have no idea how we might discover this, but we have - NAF is already on record as saying there is not. We would then have a good indication that he lied about his previous role (not definitive, because hypothetically pedescribe might have changed the PMs before he sent them, but good). Most importantly, there is no anti-Town danger to revealing this information for those who were past-life scum; a net increase in the information we have at no substantive risk is of value. ---
**Author:** ![Almost\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/919ad9/32.png) [@Almost\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Almost_Human)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2008, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/288 "2008-09-07T14:30:58Z")
> [@Total\_Lost](#): > > I’m not sure what to think af Sarah Conner - but since she had to vote at dawn, could she have information about Town, that only she knows? > Is her voting today a guess or is it significant? AFAIK Sarah Connor wouldn’t have any information about the Town. I’m not as certain as NBC that she wouldn’t vote for her/himself but I’ve no real reason for thinking that as yet. I guess it does make sense that she/he’d choose a minus vote for the first Day though as she/he’d have had no time to decide on anyone in particular being scummy. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2008, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/289 "2008-09-07T14:57:42Z")
And I probably spelled it wrong but cuata is the feminine of cuato - i.e. Gemini, the twins. So let’s drink our Geritol and it’s not “dirty” until **Santo** chimes in. After that, all bets are off especially if you get the “favored” position at the bottom of the scrum. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2008, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/290 "2008-09-07T15:30:53Z")
Vote Count! Complete Votes: Storyteller: 1. NBC, 2. Storyteller, 3. Rysto Peeker: 1. Rysto, 2. Sach, 3. Peeker Incomplete Votes: N/A NOTE: INCOMPLETE VOTES DO NOT COUNT TOWARDS DUSK TALLIES Extra Effects: Sarah Connor is currently intimidtating anyone voting for CatInASuit. Totals: Rysto: (4) (Peeker 1st, Storyteller 3rd) NBC: (3) (Storyteller 1st) Sach: (2) (Peeker 2nd) Storyteller: (2) (Storyteller 2nd) Peeker: (1) (Peeker 3rd) CatInASuit: (-3) (Sarah Connor Special Effect) ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2008, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/291 "2008-09-07T15:56:46Z")
I’m afraid that our esteemed mod is mistaken. I never received my first Role PM. Note that I never confirmed receipt of the first, only the second. Also note that I was the first to confirm my second PM, because I had been refreshing the boards all afternoon waiting for my Role to come in – if I had received the first I would have confirmed it right away. ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2008, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/292 "2008-09-07T16:09:57Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > Sorry, the boards kept crashing last night, I couldn’t get them out. I’m not saying Rysto is “off the hook” - but can we be 100% that the crashing af the boards isn’t the reason the PM went missing?? ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2008, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/293 "2008-09-07T16:22:44Z")
> [@Stoidela, just go away, OK?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-just-go-away-ok/47836/36): > > To **peeker** : information, particularly about the aims and abilities of the scum, is _always_ of value in this game. If both **NAF** and **Rysto** turn out to be Town, then we may be somewhat (not entirely) confident that there _are_ no scum quirks, and that we know everything there is to know about the scum’s powers and abilities. If you’ll think back on how uncertain the existence of hidden powers made us all in Conspiracy, you’ll realize why that’s valuable. > > On the other hand, if we discover along the way somehow that the Jester (for instance) has a quirk not evident in his role PM - I have no idea how we might discover this, but we have - NAF is already on record as saying there is not. We would then have a good indication that he lied about his previous role (not definitive, because hypothetically pedescribe might have changed the PMs before he sent them, but good). > > Most importantly, there is no anti-Town danger to revealing this information for those who were past-life scum; a net increase in the information we have at no substantive risk is of value. \ I’ll try to do better job of indicating when I truncate someone else’s posts. Normally pretty good about this but this time not so much. And I agree that there is no anti town danger in such acquisition. Just saying that any pre set bullshit don’t have a lot to do with post set bullshit. I mean if someone had a quirk that say, they had to post in Esparanto, pre set and they don’t get that same quirk post set and then someone starts posting in Esparanto it could be conclusive. But if that player was a townie role before and a scummy one now sure the new Esparanto poster is identified to the scum. You think that they are going to be truthful about that knowledge? I understand that knowledge is the town’s weakness and therefore its attainment should be paramount just saying that any comments about pre set could be full of crud. And to base a decision on crud don’t seem to make a lot of townie sense. I mean I was a scienist (sic) previously. If I am lying or telling the truth makes no difference post set. As you observe, who’s to say that the “quirks” wouldn’t be changed or shuffled. In which case we reach erroneous conclusions based on a false premise. Playing it straight up post set seems to be the most conservative. Yikes, I am even confusing myself. And I still want to know why **Rysto** lied about his first PM. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2008, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/294 "2008-09-07T16:28:06Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > And I still want to know why **Rysto** lied about his first PM. I did not lie. **pedescribe** is mistaken; I never received a PM in the pre-reset round of PMs. ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2008, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/295 "2008-09-07T16:34:41Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > That was my previous role as well. And I had basically the same mis-spelling that **Santo** referenced. Not exact but basically the same. Could be that **Santo** just mis-spelled the mis-spelling. And I assume that the reason I wasn’t included on the PM was because I had screwed around with my PM settings and inadvertantly tossed a switch indicating I could only get PMs from mods or contacts (or some such setting in there). So I don’t know what that does to the alphabet skew that you reference. Just thought we should know. Knowledge is power for the town, after all. Hi Peeker - I’m getting a bit confused here… Please help me out - why is knowledge not power to the town anymore? Might be me getting is all messed up - but could you clarify?? ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2008, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/296 "2008-09-07T16:36:49Z")
> [@Total\_Lost](#): > > I’m not saying Rysto is “off the hook” - but can we be 100% that the crashing af the boards isn’t the reason the PM went missing?? This is entirely possible. It was really frustrating sending them out the first time, because occasionally, it would go from “few seconds” to “five minutes”, and Rysto’s PM may have timed out. Incedentally, this is why I screwed up–it was taking so long, I was quick to take a time-saving cheat, and didn’t notice I had to _click_ on the bcc button to make it bcc. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2008, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/297 "2008-09-07T16:52:46Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > I did not lie. **pedescribe** is mistaken; I never received a PM in the pre-reset round of PMs. That’s fine. Either our Mod is lying or mistaken, in which case what’s the point since we are all phuqued. If we ask a Mod a question and don’t get a truthful or accurate answer then we might as well be playing crazy eights. Or you are lying in which case scummituide follows you like flies on a rotting corpse. Seems like an issue for you and **pede** to take up. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2008, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/298 "2008-09-07T17:05:42Z")
> [@Total\_Lost](#): > > Hi Peeker - I’m getting a bit confused here… > Please help me out - why is knowledge not power to the town anymore? > > Might be me getting is all messed up - but could you clarify?? Sure thing. I want to play this game on post set knowledge. I remain unconvinced that pre set information is a reasonable basis for post set conclusions. That’s all I am saying. I believe that **sach** was probably a pre set vanilla. That, however, has no impact on him being high on my initial scum list post set. I’ve played with a number of these fine folks before. But what they were in previous games don’t have doodly squat about how I see them now. Same thing on pre v post set. I am treating post set as a brand new game. If others want to ascribe certain information from previous games (i.e. Pre set or any other played game) then go for it. Just not making a whole lot of sense for me personlly. Meh, my two cents. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2008, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/299 "2008-09-07T17:35:07Z")
Hello everyone! Just wanted to pop in and say hi, I have been involved with moving this weekend so am just trying to quickly catch up with what is going on. Thus far I see absolutely nothing that is persuading me to vote for anyone. I always have this problem on Day One (I have only actually played one game, but have read several others and have never felt seriously suspicious of anyone on Day One). Last game I decided to pick a player at random and push that vote hard, which nearly got me lynched. So now I know what NOT to do…or rather, one of the things in the near-infinite set of things not to do. I am torn between not wanting to vote for someone without a good reason and not wanting to attract justifiable suspicion for voting late and/or randomly. So I guess I will probably throw down some random votes tomorrow if nobody has piqued my suspicions by then. Thoughts and discussion on this conundrum welcome… ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2008, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/300 "2008-09-07T17:43:10Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > This is entirely possible. It was really frustrating sending them out the first time, because occasionally, it would go from “few seconds” to “five minutes”, and Rysto’s PM may have timed out. Incedentally, this is why I screwed up–it was taking so long, I was quick to take a time-saving cheat, and didn’t notice I had to _click_ on the bcc button to make it bcc. Wonderful. Ok back to friggin’ square one since this makes sense, as well. **Unvote All** I still have some major vibes but am going to vote and unvote in blocks from here on out. Just to durn complicated for me otherwise. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699.md?page=16)