# Mafia--T2: Behind the Scenes **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 2, 2008, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699 "2008-09-02T17:07:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 30
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2008, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/581 "2008-09-14T23:02:14Z")
As improbable as it might be, the bus driver could have been involved in he nights outcomes as well, yes? ---
**Author:** ![Almost\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/919ad9/32.png) [@Almost\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Almost_Human)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2008, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/582 "2008-09-14T23:17:58Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > As improbable as it might be, the bus driver could have been involved in he nights outcomes as well, yes? Oh thanks - now my head **really** hurts! ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2008, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/583 "2008-09-14T23:54:38Z")
With the SA dead, I see no reason Sarah should remain alive. I won’t bring up the subject again, I promise. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/584 "2008-09-15T00:39:17Z")
> [@Almost\_Human](#): > > It could be that BLAM targetted TF himself after TF offed Sach if it can work that way. > > If TF targetted one of the Connors then if he followed the other T1000s orders they know who she/he is which makes them vulnerable toNight. If we knew which one was targetted they could claim and be protected but we don’t. If both claimed then one doc could protect John while another plus the roleblocker protected Sarah. I know it’d stop her ability to intimidate but it’d also stop her driving people nuts tomorrow. It’d also leave the docs vulnerable so I’m not sure how good an idea this is. On the one hand John’s role is useful and Sarah’s role if blocked would be of no use at all. But we’d have 2 confirmed town and the scum would have to look elsewhere. > > Of course if TF targetted BLAM in the first place then the above is moot. > > **Is the first scenario possible? Assasin T1000 kills scientist then T800 kills assasin T1000?** Yeah, that could work. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/585 "2008-09-15T01:15:20Z")
I also think that, with the SA gone, we should look into the numbers of what a Mass Claim would do for us. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/586 "2008-09-15T01:43:48Z")
> [@Santo\_Rugger](#): > > I also think that, with the SA gone, we should look into the numbers of what a Mass Claim would do for us. Well you guys like to do the plus one minus .5 times the square root of the radius of the moon kind of calculations. All I know is that we got one scum at the cost of three towmies. All the while having a loose cannon vig as well as a recruiting/replenishing scum still in play. Not ideal, I would say. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/587 "2008-09-15T02:03:17Z")
Who is Sarah intimidating today? Just want to know since the **Wanderer** and **Cold Dinner** are already out of the blocks. And this whole borda thing is going to make stuff a little murky. And I still await specifics on my voters. On skimming re read there seemed to be a lot of, “Yeh, what somebody else said”. The abscence of an item can be as conclusive as its prescence. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/588 "2008-09-15T02:37:28Z")
Can we assume JC got blocked? I can’t seem to find his question/answer session posted. If he asked a question of somebody who died, wouldn’t we still get their answer? ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/589 "2008-09-15T02:39:47Z")
> [@Santo\_Rugger](#): > > Can we assume JC got blocked? I can’t seem to find his question/answer session posted. If he asked a question of somebody who died, wouldn’t we still get their answer? Excellent question. **If John Connor asks a question of a night-kill victim, would we still hear the question and the answer?** ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/590 "2008-09-15T02:40:33Z")
Hmm, for some reason I thought the Day started on Monday. Man, I have got to get my head into this game. Sorry, everyone. I haven’t looked back at the rules just now, but from what I remember, this: [QUOTE=Rysto] The most likely explanation as to what happened last Night is that the T-1000 targeted one of the Connors, and one of our Vigs took out sach(bad Vig: no cookie). [/QUOTE] is the only explanation that makes any sense. Is there some other scenario that fits both the T-800 and T-1000 dying? Also, I have a question for **MHaye** … [QUOTE=MHaye] We’ll find out which [vig] targeted Sach last Night at the dawn of Day 3, unless I miss my guess. [/QUOTE] I’m not sure what you mean here, can you explain? ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/591 "2008-09-15T02:51:33Z")
> [@ShadowFacts](#): > > is the only explanation that makes any sense. Is there some other scenario that fits both the T-800 and T-1000 dying? Either of the Vigs could have targeted the T-1000 SA. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/592 "2008-09-15T02:56:13Z")
> [@Santo\_Rugger](#): > > Either of the Vigs could have targeted the T-1000 SA. The suicidal Vig can’t kill the SA. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/593 "2008-09-15T02:57:52Z")
> [@ShadowFacts](#): > > I’m not sure what you mean here, can you explain? If we have an extra kill toNight and the suicidal Vig is one of the players who bites it, that’s a pretty good indication that it was the suicidal Vig who did the kill. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/594 "2008-09-15T03:22:16Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > Excellent question. > > **If John Connor asks a question of a night-kill victim, would we still hear the question and the answer?** Yes. You would have heard the answer if JC had asked a question (even if he or she had died). He or she didn’t; however, I will not reveal why. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/595 "2008-09-15T03:58:47Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > Yes. You would have heard the answer if JC had asked a question (even if he or she had died). He or she didn’t; however, I will not reveal why. I’m guessing they were roleblocked. If that’s the case, our two roleblockers have a 50/50 shot of knowing who JC is. PROPOSAL: The Paranoid Doc should protect who they protected last night, and the roleblocker should protect somebody else. If we don’t hear from JC in the Morning, one of them will know who they are, and we will have two roles that can’t be counterclaimed (the blocker and JC; the blocker will state who JC was when the time is right, confirming both of them) I realize it’s a long shot, but it might just work. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 7:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/596 "2008-09-15T07:43:34Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > If we have an extra kill toNight and the suicidal Vig is one of the players who bites it, that’s a pretty good indication that it was the suicidal Vig who did the kill. if that was the case, surel;y they would fess up now to aid with the day’s strategising. They would have nothing to lose. In absence of such s claim, I would assume this didn’t happen ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 10:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/597 "2008-09-15T10:41:23Z")
> [@ShadowFacts](#): > > Also, I have a question for **MHaye** … > > > [@](#): > > > > We’ll find out which [vig] targeted Sach last Night at the dawn of Day 3, unless I miss my guess. > > I’m not sure what you mean here, can you explain? If the Scientist with BFG killed **Sachertorte** , he’s going to blow his own head off in remorse Tonight. If the T-800 killed **Sach** , he wouldn’t suicide if he was alive. Speaking personally (and as the player who, pre-reset, was the scientist with the BFG) I would not kill any Night without a fair degree of certainty about the role of the target. If I had been the T-800, I would have required a lower degree of certainty before acting. My money would be on **BlaM** being the killer (if I was a betting man, that is) for that reason. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/598 "2008-09-15T12:52:22Z")
Vote count: Extra Effects: Sarah Connor is currently intimidating Santo Rugger. OaOW has a mod-penalty for not paying enough attention yesterday. Koldanar does not. (The list was made about a half hour before dusk and Koldy made a full vote after it was made) Totals: Santo Rugger: (3) (Sarah Connor Special Effect) OaOW: (3) (Mod Penalty) ---
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/599 "2008-09-15T13:45:37Z")
A brief note from me. 1. Yay for being alive on Day 2. 🙂 2. Sach, Blam, sorry to see you go. ☹ 3. Thing Fish, good riddance. 😃 Will get back to analysis when job allows. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/600 "2008-09-15T13:56:38Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > Sarah Connor is currently intimidating Santo Rugger. Heh. Guess Sarah Connor herself doesn’t like my ideas. ☹ Sorry, Sarah, but as your poor judgment of whom to intimidate Today has shown, combined with the fact that your role cannot help the Town, you’re better off not alive. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699.md?page=29) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699.md?page=31)