# Mafia--T2: Behind the Scenes **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 2, 2008, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699 "2008-09-02T17:07:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 34
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/661 "2008-09-17T02:49:14Z")
And I apologize for not being as concise in my logic as I typically am. The decisive insightful logic conclusions that lead to apparrent concensus agreed upon by all are not as readily apparent. The crystal ball is murky. Fuck it. I am going to play a little like **sach**. I am a town power role. Ain’t gonna tell you exactly what, just yet, just to keep the scummers guessing. Doc, Block or Secret Power. Something, however. Scum screwballs come to daddy. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/662 "2008-09-17T02:52:55Z")
Well, I haven’t seen any good reasons not to claim, so: **I am the Bus Driver**. By the way, I had a discussion with **pedescribe** early in the game about slipping certain phrases specific to my role PM into a post so that the pre-reset Bus Driver could confirm me. **pedescribe** indicated that would incur a modkill. Power roles, be _very_ cautious about what you reveal out of your PM. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/663 "2008-09-17T02:53:18Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > (snipped) > Here’s the thing: Towns in these games have started to play very poorly lately. There’s next to no discussion, there’s an almost pathological need to quash ideas, but worst of all, there’s this increasingly unproductive compulsion to seek consensus on every single thing. Consensus is a good and a worthwhile thing, but when everyone becomes paralyzed because “hey, not everyone has agreed yet,” then we’ve taken it a few steps too far. > > We can talk about this claim thing all Day and wind up with a rushed, wasted lynch, or we can just _do it_ and get to the business of finding scum while there’s still time to do it. I’ve claimed, so my end of this is basically done. I’m going to focus my attention on the votes that killed **Zsofia** , and if a mass claim happens then great, and if not, then maybe we can still tease information out of our situation instead of wasting the whole day in endless consensus-seeking. Like I said, I can’t really see anything that speaks against your idea. However, I’m feeling a bit under the weather right now (tons of medication, etc.) and not really up to the task of critiquing the whole thing. I was thinking maybe someone else would come up with a meaningful reason to not do this. Since no one has stepped up, I will disclose that **I am a vanilla scientist**. Pre-reset I was **John Connor**. However, ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/664 "2008-09-17T02:55:00Z")
I wanted to add: However, right now I’m not free to vote for whoever. The politician selected me during the Night and I’ll have to vote for whomever (s)he chooses. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/665 "2008-09-17T02:58:25Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > Well, I haven’t seen any good reasons not to claim, so: > > **I am the Bus Driver**. > > By the way, I had a discussion with **pedescribe** early in the game about slipping certain phrases specific to my role PM into a post so that the pre-reset Bus Driver could confirm me. **pedescribe** indicated that would incur a modkill. Power roles, be _very_ cautious about what you reveal out of your PM. Ah, interesting. Do you mind disclosing what your play was last night? ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/666 "2008-09-17T03:01:21Z")
Current claims, and then off to bed: VANILLA storyteller0910 Santo Rugger (implicit - correct me if I’m wrong) Diggit BUS DRIVER Rysto POWER-ROLE-TO-BE-NAMED-LATER-OR-NOT-DEPENDING peekercpa 'Night all. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/667 "2008-09-17T03:05:01Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > I’d like to point out that _you_, and no one else, were the first to make that connection. > > (I note that **Total Lost** has faced some mild suspicion, but less for her refusal to claim and more for her oddly anxious tone). > > That you bring up this in a pre-emptive fashion does nothing whatsoever to cool my suspicions of _you,_ by the way. The inspiration for my concern over potentially being labled scum for not potentially agreeing with a mass claim was post 651 by your good self. So no, not pre-emptive at all and I was not the first to make that connection, why characterise it as so? > [@storyteller0910](#): > > Who is bullheading you? I assume you mean me, I am refering to the several people who have already claimed (which you are one, but honestly my post was not about you), and who have said they will claim iminently, it does have the effect of applying a whole heap of pressure, particularly in light of your post 651 that could reasonably be parsed as throwing suspicion on people who are not on board. > [@storyteller0910](#): > > If you see flaws in my argument, or if you just want to talk about it, go ahead. I am talking about it (mass role claim), that what my post focused on (with the exception of a minor diversion about a small town). > [@storyteller0910](#): > > Give _your_ reasons for opposing a mass claim. Why presume I oppose it. > [@storyteller0910](#): > > But don’t _tsk-tsk_ the rest of the group about not discussing a subject to your satisfaction before acting, and then fail to contribute in a meaningful way to the discussion. Where did you pull the tsk tsk ing from? I think that is a tone you are reading into my post from your head. My post was pretty explictly about my own feelings which were, woah this came up quick, followed by my usual paranoid who is making us do this and why reaction. Anyay the ,not fully though, comment was probably not the best phrasing and was not intened as a slight on your post which was indeed a good case , and as I mentiond, I cant see a scum reason for a mass claim, so it might be a good idea, well at least not a scum idea. My major concern is the effect of the jester and the vig in the pool of unknowns. If I read your post right, for the scum claiming scientist you say there is a pool of 9 players with 4 scum. We would then have a pool of 10 players with 4 scum with the vig. This worsens the odds for the role blocker hitting scum and for a mislynch. The recruitment would count as a miss lynch would it not, which further worsens things and the recruit could end up in the pool of knowns which means our pool to lynch from is back to the full group, with the downside that all our power roles are exposed. ---
**Author:** ![Almost\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/919ad9/32.png) [@Almost\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Almost_Human)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/668 "2008-09-17T03:07:51Z")
Well bugger it Diggit I really wish I’d got my post in before you. I’m the politician and I can confirm I chose Diggit. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/669 "2008-09-17T03:10:25Z")
**Rysto** is the only soul to change alliances from pre to post. **Rysto** is the only soul who does not get a pre-set PM. **Rysto** is a chicken liver lying scum. **Rysto**. Answer, please Woot, woot now we are having fun. ---
**Author:** ![Almost\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/919ad9/32.png) [@Almost\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Almost_Human)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/670 "2008-09-17T03:17:41Z")
And if anyone wants to ask me anything about it then I’m afraid it’ll have to wait - 4.15 am over here and I’m knackered! ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/671 "2008-09-17T03:18:44Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > Current claims, and then off to bed: > > VANILLA > storyteller0910 > Santo Rugger (implicit - correct me if I’m wrong) > Diggit > > BUS DRIVER > Rysto > > POWER-ROLE-TO-BE-NAMED-LATER-OR-NOT-DEPENDING > peekercpa > > 'Night all. You forgot **ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies** (post 646), as a vanilla scientist. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/672 "2008-09-17T03:20:39Z")
And Jesu Christo: One more post like that from **Oxy** (you’ve been demoted) and I swear that I’ll do something that will make you all sorry. Probably Disco or some such nonesense. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/673 "2008-09-17T03:21:02Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > **Rysto** is the only soul to change alliances from pre to post. Does pre rest have any relavence to post reset role > [@peekercpa](#): > > **Rysto** is the only soul who does not get a pre-set PM. No, I didnt get one, and I think Drain Bead (who was subbed I think) did not get one either > [@peekercpa](#): > > **Rysto** is a chicken liver lying scum. About what, if you are saying he is lying about his claim to not have received a prereset role, then your comment about him being the only one to not recieve a pre reset role doesnt make sense. > [@peekercpa](#): > > **Rysto**. Answer, please It is considered normal to ask a question first. > [@peekercpa](#): > > Woot, woot now we are having fun. well I can agree on that. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/674 "2008-09-17T03:30:42Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > And Jesu Christo: > > One more post like that from **Oxy** (you’ve been demoted) and I swear that I’ll do something that will make you all sorry. > > Probably Disco or some such nonesense. What did I do? I know I need to work on my clarity in posting, but it wasnçt that bad was it. I blame it on a dodgy spanish keyboard with a character map that has gone haywire. ç is what I get for an apostrophe and my parenthesis have started randomly moving about. Rather than disco could you do a little waltz for us all whilst I await storys next disection of my posts, or is dancing a strictly night time activity. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/675 "2008-09-17T03:31:16Z")
> [@NaturalBlondChap](#): > > Does pre rest have any relavence to post reset role > > No, I didnt get one, and I think Drain Bead (who was subbed I think) did not get one either > > About what, if you are saying he is lying about his claim to not have received a prereset role, then your comment about him being the only one to not recieve a pre reset role doesnt make sense. > > It is considered normal to ask a question first. > > well I can agree on that. Well glad to see you sticking up for a fellow slimer. You were already in my top three. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/676 "2008-09-17T03:38:14Z")
And I just want to add. **NBC** could be anything. I am town and not Mason so I only have my own alignment to depend on. I like fucking with folks, and am typically dead wrong. I only know one thing. I am a town power role. If the folks want me to ne specific I will totally claim. If not let the scummers guess. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/677 "2008-09-17T03:44:29Z")
Ok. **NBC**. I don’t trust you as far as I can throw my car. What the fuck are you? ---
**Author:** ![Pollux\_Oil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/858c86/32.png) [@Pollux\_Oil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pollux_Oil)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/678 "2008-09-17T05:10:31Z")
Hi. So I think I’m subbing in for Koldanar who subbed for drainbead. I was waiting for an official notation here in the thread from pedescribe but I haven’t seen anything yet. Haven’t really read Day One yet, but I’ve read the mass claim part of toDay so far. **storyteller** , I’m the one you were thinking about. In Conspiracy 2 I said I was against mass claiming because it sucks the fun out of the game for me. I’m still against it, but if there’s a majority for it I’m not going to stand in your way. Just, my personal opinion for the fun of the game, is no mass claim. For the record, I’m the super-secret Terminator model: the T-Bone. If I get together with the A1 model at Night we become Delicious. Just kidding. Yeah okay, that’s enough for not until I figure out if I’m officially in the game or not. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/679 "2008-09-17T05:18:23Z")
Anyone for a $5 pool as to when P. Oil will also throw in the towel on whatever role keeps chewing through subs? ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/680 "2008-09-17T05:24:28Z")
All right. So we’re claiming. I’m favor of it. Pre-set, I was scum. Currently, I’m a very townie, very confirmable role. One that I’m not really sure of how to utilize. I’ll wait until Rysto’s plan has me in claim order to claim, but I as far as I understand it, post-claim, I won’t be very useful. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699.md?page=33) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699.md?page=35)