# Mafia--T2: Behind the Scenes **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 2, 2008, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699 "2008-09-02T17:07:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 36
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/701 "2008-09-17T13:52:05Z")
> [@Total\_Lost](#): > > Okay - I have a role that is more the plain town - and I’m not sure of the right word to describe it… I don’t want to say it “out loud”, because I see that as a downside for Town Care to elaborate? ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/702 "2008-09-17T13:53:59Z")
> [@CatInASuit](#): > > Don’t forget a successful recruit means that the scum can effectively remove a power role from the game. I misunderstand the Jester role, or this is incorrect. The Jester can only recruit Vanilla. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/703 "2008-09-17T13:54:43Z")
> [@Total\_Lost](#): > > Okay - I have a role that is more the plain town - and I’m not sure of the right word to describe it… I don’t want to say it “out loud”, because I see that as a downside for Town OK, fair enough. I will assume that you are claiming one of our power roles, and put you on the list with Boozy and peeker. Fair enough? VANILLA storyteller0910 Santo Rugger Diggit Cookies NBC BUS DRIVER Rysto COMMUTER One and Only Wanderers POWER-ROLE-TO-BE-NAMED-LATER-OR-NOT-DEPENDING peekercpa Boozahol Squid, PI Total Lost ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/704 "2008-09-17T13:57:30Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > OK, fair enough. I will assume that you are claiming one of our power roles, and put you on the list with Boozy and peeker. I strongly disagree with this! We’re basically making a list that says, so far: People the Jester can recruit: storyteller0910 Santo Rugger Diggit Cookies NBC ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/705 "2008-09-17T14:04:03Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > Ah, interesting. > > Do you mind disclosing what your play was last night? I swapped myself and **Blaster Master**. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/706 "2008-09-17T14:16:49Z")
I know that by claiming I’m locking us onto to this path. I think that it’s a good idea so I’m going to fully claim. I was hoping to see what CIAS claimed first hoping I could verify him but that doesn’t look like that the claim is coming any time soon. I am your paranoid doctor. Last night I protected CIAS. I think I misspelled my role but I’m on my phone and can’t spell check. ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/707 "2008-09-17T14:18:53Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > Fair enough? I never presumed you wasn’t fair 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/708 "2008-09-17T14:24:36Z")
> [@Santo\_Rugger](#): > > I misunderstand the Jester role, or this is incorrect. The Jester can only recruit Vanilla. 1. Jester Scum If he is lynched before there are 12 people or less, he will recruit target of his choice as vanilla scum. And where does it say that the target of choice has to be vanilla :dubious: From this, the new recruit will be vanilla, but why can the target of choice not be a power role. So effectively, a successful recruit can remove a town power role from the game. Personally, I am working through my concerns to ensure the plan is valid instead of just following along. If you are right and I am wrong and they can only recruit a vanilla scientist, this game is more or less over and a mass role claim is the right thing to do. ---
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/709 "2008-09-17T14:26:34Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > I know that by claiming I’m locking us onto to this path. I think that it’s a good idea so I’m going to fully claim. I was hoping to see what CIAS claimed first hoping I could verify him but that doesn’t look like that the claim is coming any time soon. > > I am your paranoid doctor. Last night I protected CIAS. > I think I misspelled my role but I’m on my phone and can’t spell check. Much appreciated **Oredigger77** , given my usual lifespan in these games. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/710 "2008-09-17T14:33:52Z")
Actually, easy way to find out. **Pedescribe: Can the Jester recruit any member of the Town or only a Vanilla Scientist.** ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/711 "2008-09-17T14:43:50Z")
> [@CatInASuit](#): > > Actually, easy way to find out. > > **Pedescribe: Can the Jester recruit any member of the Town or only a Vanilla Scientist.** Holy, shit. I read that completely backwards. Well, now that the topic has changed, I might as well say this now: I have a feeling that the Jester is going to -try- to get lynched before there are less than 12 people left in the game. It’s really something we need to be aware of, especially if somebody starts spouting off at the mouth with a bunch of nonsensical claims (not including, of course, reading a role description completely wrong! :p) ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/712 "2008-09-17T15:55:20Z")
> [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > given the people, i thought it was obvious. All the anti-claimers. Huh. I’m anti-claim? I thought I said this: [QUOTE=me] I need more time to think about this mass claim idea before I agree, but at first blush the logic and the numbers seem sound. [/QUOTE] Anyway, the only strong argument against the mass claim so far seems to be the recruitment problem, which **story** has tried to address with this: [QUOTE=storyteller] Then we have to deal with recruitment, if it happens, but the nice thing is we’ll know if it does. Trying to plan for it now is next to impossible anyway. [/quote] I must admit that answer doesn’t exactly fill me with confidence. And I am also slightly concerned that the game is going to become a little “cookie-cutter” after this, and thus less fun. But the numbers don’t lie, and what the hell, some town needs to try a mass claim at some point, why not this one? **I am a vanilla Scientist.** And if anyone cares, I was Sarah Conner pre-reset. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/713 "2008-09-17T16:15:30Z")
Hey all. Just got back. Catching up now. Should have a post and (maybe) a vote in by late this afternoon. Disneyland was awesome. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/714 "2008-09-17T16:41:02Z")
> [@CatInASuit](#): > > Actually, easy way to find out. > > **Pedescribe: Can the Jester recruit any member of the Town or only a Vanilla Scientist.** The jester can recruit any player. This player will lose any abilities he or she had and becomes a T-1000. ---
**Author:** ![Almost\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/919ad9/32.png) [@Almost\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Almost_Human)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/715 "2008-09-17T16:45:58Z")
> [@Almost\_Human](#): > > Well bugger it Diggit I really wish I’d got my post in before you. I’m the politician and I can confirm I chose Diggit. I seem to have been missed off the list - serves me right for not bolding my role. I’m the **Politician** 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/716 "2008-09-17T17:09:16Z")
VANILLA storyteller0910 Santo Rugger Diggit Cookies NBC Shadow Facts BUS DRIVER Rysto COMMUTER One and Only Wanderers POLITICIAN Almost Human POWER-ROLE-TO-BE-NAMED-LATER-OR-NOT-DEPENDING peekercpa Boozahol Squid, PI Total Lost Fun fact #1: you can’t all know this, of course, because you don’t know my alignment, but I now know that at least one of these five people - Santo Rugger Diggit Cookies NBC Shadow Facts is a Friend of Robert Patrick. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/717 "2008-09-17T17:19:46Z")
Fun fact #2: you can’t all know this, of course, because you don’t know my alignment, but I now know that at least one of these five people - storyteller0910 Diggit Cookies NBC Shadow Facts is a Friend of Robert Patrick. Now we’re getting somewhere! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/718 "2008-09-17T17:21:36Z")
Oh, and **story** , **Oredigger** claimed Paranoid Doc. Based on this, and on who’s voters were being intimidated, I’m guessing **CatInA** is Sarah. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/719 "2008-09-17T17:27:10Z")
**OUT OF GAME PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT** The off-board game recently came to a close. The next off-board game will be starting quite soon; sign-ups have been underway for some time, but we still have two open slots. The game will be moderated by **Kat** and myself; **sachertorte** and **Captain Klutz** also contributed to the game design. It will be a completely closed, no vanilla game, no recruitment, no post restrictions, with a Marvel comics theme. We really need two more players, and can’t start without them. Once we have all slots filled, we can start the new game. So if you missed sign-ups for this one and are following along, are recently dead and want another game, or want to take on two at once, come on down! ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/720 "2008-09-17T17:43:53Z")
Now, returning to our regularly scheduled game. There may be people who feel it is better not to claim even with this turn of the game. In which case they have two alternatives; hide and hope no-one notices, or say so and explain why. Me? I’m gong to test the water. I am town-aligned, but not a vanilla Scientist. I remain reticent about my exact role at this time. For the sake of my edification; **Santo Rugger** , can you point me at your claim post please? I must have missed it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699.md?page=35) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699.md?page=37)