# Mafia--T2: Behind the Scenes **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 2, 2008, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699 "2008-09-02T17:07:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 38
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/741 "2008-09-17T19:39:31Z")
> [@Santo\_Rugger](#): > > Is there a specific reason you feel that your claiming would be a downside for the town? I mean, we already know (assuming everybody has told the truth who has claimed so far, that you’re either a roleblocker, the doc, suicidal vig, or one of the Conners. No, you are mistaken - I haven’t made myself clear… Maybe it’s a language-mix-up ☹ Why do you KNOW I’m neither? ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/742 "2008-09-17T19:41:02Z")
> [@Total\_Lost](#): > > No, you are mistaken - I haven’t made myself clear… Maybe it’s a language-mix-up ☹ > Why do you KNOW I’m neither? Because all the other roles have claimed. ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/743 "2008-09-17T19:43:39Z")
> [@Santo\_Rugger](#): > > Because all the other roles have claimed. And then you KNOW I’m lying? Why? ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/744 "2008-09-17T19:44:11Z")
The way to stop this from happening is to make it not have the desired result. If instead of getting modkilled, nonvoters start the day with a number of vote points equal to three times the number of days they have failed to vote, it will be harder and harder for them to avoid being the condemned at the end of the day. If they’ve been not voting to get modkilled and thus clear the way for the rest of their team to win, they become a mislynch, thus making it harder for their team to win. That on top of failing to have their say in who should be lynched, thus allowing the scum more influence than they should have. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/745 "2008-09-17T19:46:48Z")
> [@MHaye](#): > > The way to stop this from happening is to make it not have the desired result. > > If instead of getting modkilled, nonvoters start the day with a number of vote points equal to three times the number of days they have failed to vote, it will be harder and harder for them to avoid being the condemned at the end of the day. > > If they’ve been not voting to get modkilled and thus clear the way for the rest of their team to win, they become a mislynch, thus making it harder for their team to win. > > That on top of failing to have their say in who should be lynched, thus allowing the scum more influence than they should have. NETA : Four posts while I was drafting that. This suggestion is (of course) arising from the question of people not voting in order to get modkilled. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/746 "2008-09-17T19:47:45Z")
> [@Total\_Lost](#): > > And then you KNOW I’m lying? Why? Kindly point to where I said you were lying. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/747 "2008-09-17T19:50:06Z")
> [@Total\_Lost](#): > > And then you KNOW I’m lying? Why? Well, in his explanation, he did say “assuming everyone else has been truthful.” However, if your plan is to claim something already claimed by another player, then just remember: if you’re actually Town: (1) you have just caught scum; and (2) you have made yourself essentially un-Night-killable, at least for the near future. Bear those things firmly in mind as you proceed. ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/748 "2008-09-17T19:52:26Z")
> [@Santo\_Rugger](#): > > Kindly point to where I said you were lying. I didn’t say - I asked! I see, I didn’t claim using the right words - but I don’t understand why you don’t think I have a Power (?) role… If I don’t ask you - I’ll never get to know, will I? ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/749 "2008-09-17T19:58:17Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > Bear those things firmly in mind as you proceed. I’m trying - but I need a bit of information. Why do you distinguish between “role” and “power role” - and what role isn’t a power role… ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/750 "2008-09-17T20:01:56Z")
**Total** , let’s start over. These are the Town roles still left in the game: 1-5: Vanilla 8. Politican 9. Bus Driver 10. Roleblocker 11. Commuter 12. Doc 13. Paranoid Doc 14. Suicidal Vig 16. John Conner 17. Sarah Conner These roles have been claimed: 1-7: Vanilla 8. Politican 9. Bus Driver 11. Commuter 13. Paranoid Doc 16. John Conner ASSUMING those rules are telling the truth, that leaves: 1. Roleblocker 2. Doc 3. Suicidal Vig 4. Sarah Conner So you’re either one of those, you’re not a Town power role, or somebody else has already claimed your real role. Now, my question is, now that we’ve narrowed down what your role is, how will revealing it hurt the town? ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/751 "2008-09-17T20:02:56Z")
> [@Total\_Lost](#): > > I’m trying - but I need a bit of information. Why do you distinguish between “role” and “power role” - and what role isn’t a power role… Vanilla Scientist isn’t a power role, because they have no powers. ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/752 "2008-09-17T20:06:27Z")
> [@Santo\_Rugger](#): > > Vanilla Scientist isn’t a power role, because they have no powers. I’m SORRY! I’m a POWER role - but why do I need to say which?? ---
**Author:** ![Pollux\_Oil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/858c86/32.png) [@Pollux\_Oil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pollux_Oil)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/753 "2008-09-17T20:09:28Z")
Well since everybody else is doing it, and when in Rome… I’m a vanilla scientist. I’m just going to assume I’m playing at this point since neither Koldanar nor drainbead has posted in a while. I will also say I’m not a fan of modkilling myself just to “win” the game. Bleck. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/754 "2008-09-17T20:13:56Z")
> [@Total\_Lost](#): > > I’m SORRY! > I’m a POWER role - but why do I need to say which?? So that the scum are forced to claim Vanilla. Otherwise, they will pair up with a conformable town member. This reduces the pool we have to look into to find them. We also have roles that can protect our power roles at Night, as well as switch an attempted kill onto a Vanilla, further lowering the pool. We need all the power roles to claim, or this won’t work. ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/755 "2008-09-17T20:18:40Z")
> [@Santo\_Rugger](#): > > So that the scum are forced to claim Vanilla. Otherwise, they will pair up with a conformable town member. This reduces the pool we have to look into to find them. We also have roles that can protect our power roles at Night, as well as switch an attempted kill onto a Vanilla, further lowering the pool. We need all the power roles to claim, or this won’t work. Shit - I the doc (and I protected myself last Night) ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/756 "2008-09-17T20:45:40Z")
> [@Total\_Lost](#): > > I’m trying - but I need a bit of information. Why do you distinguish between “role” and “power role” - and what role isn’t a power role… A vanilla role. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/757 "2008-09-17T20:47:13Z")
> [@Pollux\_Oil](#): > > Well since everybody else is doing it, and when in Rome… > > I’m a vanilla scientist. > > I’m just going to assume I’m playing at this point since neither Koldanar nor drainbead has posted in a while. I will also say I’m not a fan of modkilling myself just to “win” the game. Bleck. You too? Man, pedescribe really unbalanced this game… so many vanilla scientists, so few scum. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/758 "2008-09-17T20:51:05Z")
> [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > You too? Man, pedescribe really unbalanced this game… so many vanilla scientists, so few scum. Speaking of, I don’t believe you ever addressed this concern I had Yesterday: > [@Santo\_Rugger](#): > > The above posts were _three_ minutes apart. How did your number one candidate just miraculously fall off the list? > > [COLOR"blue"]**1. Booze > 2. DiggitCamera > 3. ShadowFacts**[/COLOR] ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/759 "2008-09-17T20:56:41Z")
> [@Santo\_Rugger](#): > > Speaking of, I don’t believe you ever addressed this concern I had Yesterday: I did, with my first post of the night. I wasn’t particularly concerned about ordering my candidates, in either of my two votes. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/760 "2008-09-17T21:15:39Z")
so if i’m doing my sums right thats 8 claims of vanilla (out of 5 left alive) That means 3 scum have already claimed (minimum) and have all gone vanilla. Who hasn’t claimed yet? They’re either all town or have 1 scum amongst them. Thats the group we need to look at. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699.md?page=37) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699.md?page=39)