# Mafia--T2: Behind the Scenes **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 2, 2008, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699 "2008-09-02T17:07:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 39
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/761 "2008-09-17T21:30:35Z")
VANILLA storyteller0910 Santo Rugger Diggit Cookies NBC Shadow Facts CatinaSuit Pollux Oil BUS DRIVER Rysto COMMUTER One and Only Wanderers POLITICIAN Almost Human PARANOID DOC Oredigger77 JOHN CONNOR Boozahol Squid, PI DOCTOR Total Lost POWER-ROLE-TO-BE-NAMED-LATER-OR-NOT-DEPENDING peekercpa mhaye UNCLAIMED NAF Flyfisheron * * * So right now, we have 8 claimed vanilla and can have no more than 5 in the game. That means three are lying. However, I did technically advise the Suicidal Vig to hide in the vanilla pool, so one of the liars might be the Suicidal Vig. Hopefully we can get claims from NAF and Flyfisheron before tomorrow, at which point we’ll need to get serious about finding scum. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/762 "2008-09-17T21:33:53Z")
pour encourage les autres **vote 1.NAF** I chose NAf cos it’s easier to type :). If the suicidal vig has done as you suggested story, then it increases the odds of (at least) one of the last 2 being scum. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/763 "2008-09-17T21:47:39Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > Hopefully we can get claims from NAF and Flyfisheron before tomorrow, at which point we’ll need to get serious about finding scum. One’s got to be Sarah, and one’s got to be the roleblocker, right? In retrospect, I shouldn’t have been as anxious to get everybody to claim their actual role… had we simply claimed Power or Vanilla, we could have kept our power roles hidden. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/764 "2008-09-17T21:51:03Z")
> [@Santo\_Rugger](#): > > One’s got to be Sarah, and one’s got to be the roleblocker, right? > > In retrospect, I shouldn’t have been as anxious to get everybody to claim their actual role… had we simply claimed Power or Vanilla, we could have kept our power roles hidden. ☹ nah, that makes it more feasible for scum to false claim POWER. this way they have been coralled into vanilla. we have 2 unspecified power role claims, 2 not claimed at all and 3 unclaimed power roles, but these numbers are shaky as one of the power roles may have claimed vanilla based on advice from strategising. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/765 "2008-09-17T21:51:21Z")
> [@Santo\_Rugger](#): > > In retrospect, I shouldn’t have been as anxious to get everybody to claim their actual role… had we simply claimed Power or Vanilla, we could have kept our power roles hidden. ☹ But then scum could have claimed “generic power role”, and then we’d have two pools with scum in it instead of just one. ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/766 "2008-09-17T21:56:24Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > But then scum could have claimed “generic power role”, and then we’d have two pools with scum in it instead of just one. We could have waited until the “power”-pool was overflowing… ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/767 "2008-09-17T22:02:31Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > I know that by claiming I’m locking us onto to this path. I think that it’s a good idea so I’m going to fully claim. I was hoping to see what CIAS claimed first hoping I could verify him but that doesn’t look like that the claim is coming any time soon. > > I am your paranoid doctor. Last night I protected CIAS. > I think I misspelled my role but I’m on my phone and can’t spell check. Ok, so I am still catching up, but it’s going slow for me. Wednesdays are bad for me in general and with me being out yesterday it has been worse than usual. But I did spot this post. Um…ballsy move Oredigger, but you are a liar. The only question now is, are you the Jester or vanilla scum? **1. Oredigger77** ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/768 "2008-09-17T22:05:52Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > But then scum could have claimed “generic power role”, and then we’d have two pools with scum in it instead of just one. Yeah, but _then_ we could have had the generic power roles claim, if there were more than available slots. Then we’d have paired up more power roles, IMHO. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/769 "2008-09-17T22:11:12Z")
I just realized that I failed to actually claim in my last post. I am the paranoid doc. Unless there are two Oredigger is scum. ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/770 "2008-09-17T22:13:03Z")
> [@Santo\_Rugger](#): > > Yeah, but _then_ we could have had the generic power roles claim, if there were more than available slots. Then we’d have paired up more power roles, IMHO. 🆒 I like your “IMHO” better when your in agreement with my IMHO 🙂 I can’t find it right now - but I thought that [storyteller] did say - when the mass claim idea was discussed, that we didn’t have to claim our roles (sorry: Power roles). ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/771 "2008-09-17T22:15:09Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > I just realized that I failed to actually claim in my last post. I am the paranoid doc. Unless there are two Oredigger is scum. this is an open set up. So we have scum in either you or oredigger. Who did you protect last night and why? Same question for oredigger. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/772 "2008-09-17T22:17:52Z")
> [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > this is an open set up. So we have scum in either you or oredigger. Who did you protect last night and why? > > Same question for oredigger. Oredigger claimed to protect CIAS. It’s in what I quoted. But screw you if you think I am going to tell you who I protected and why. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/773 "2008-09-17T22:19:44Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Oredigger claimed to protect CIAS. It’s in what I quoted. > > But screw you if you think I am going to tell you who I protected and why. Sorry, on re-read that was a bit harsh. Imagine I am saying it with a smile like I think I am really clever for using harsh language. I am not going to tell you who I am protecting or why. Sorry, it just seems like a bad idea. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/774 "2008-09-17T22:26:54Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Ok, so I am still catching up, but it’s going slow for me. Wednesdays are bad for me in general and with me being out yesterday it has been worse than usual. But I did spot this post. > > Um…ballsy move Oredigger, but you are a liar. The only question now is, are you the Jester or vanilla scum? > > **1. Oredigger77** Woo hoo! Now we get to decide who’s lying, and who’s telling the truth. Power role double claiming does seem to be the mark of a Jester. You’d almost think the Jester would be going after the real Doc, rather than the paranoid one. ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/775 "2008-09-17T22:27:08Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Sorry, on re-read that was a bit harsh. Imagine I am saying it with a smile like I think I am really clever for using harsh language. > > I am not going to tell you who I am protecting or why. Sorry, it just seems like a bad idea. I think this makes sence - we’re mass claiming - why provide all the other details? Isn’t that giving scum more information than they need??? ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/776 "2008-09-17T22:29:40Z")
> [@Total\_Lost](#): > > I think this makes sence - we’re mass claiming - why provide all the other details? Isn’t that giving scum more information than they need??? no it doesn’t. We know we have a scum in Ore and NAF, so how do we pick between them? One way is to explore how they claim to have used their role ability and see who makes more sense. As things stand my NAF vote is remaining. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/777 "2008-09-17T22:32:22Z")
> [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > no it doesn’t. We know we have a scum in Ore and NAF, so how do we pick between them? One way is to explore how they claim to have used their role ability and see who makes more sense. As things stand my NAF vote is remaining. I think we should wait until there are less than 12 people before we lynch either of those 2. On the plus side, the real one doesn’t have to protect themselves anymore. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/778 "2008-09-17T22:37:36Z")
> [@Santo\_Rugger](#): > > I think we should wait until there are less than 12 people before we lynch either of those 2. > > On the plus side, the real one doesn’t have to protect themselves anymore. 😃 If this turns out to be the only scum who didn’t go vanilla, then yeah, we save them for \< 12 time. right now we need the unclaimed guy to claim, and the unspecified power role claims to specify. ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/779 "2008-09-17T22:38:37Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > Suppose we mass claim. Those four scum will have to hide somewhere. If all of them pick power roles to hide in, then the game is over (barring Jester interference). We’d lynch one of each paired claimant, then lynch the other on the following Day if we get it wrong. Since we can mislynch four times and still win, the scum _cannot_ win in this scenario except by recruiting (which of course we’ll have to deal with, but mass claiming won’t matter much in that context). This is where we started - now why can’t we stick to this? I don’t like the way the strategy Storyteller made - just seems to be altered by anyones fancy. We had a plan - why not stick to it?? ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/780 "2008-09-17T22:40:09Z")
> [@Total\_Lost](#): > > This is where we started - now why can’t we stick to this? > I don’t like the way the strategy Storyteller made - just seems to be altered by anyones fancy. We had a plan - why not stick to it?? I actually agree with this point. I am not really much of a power role, you won’t be losing much. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699.md?page=38) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699.md?page=40)