# Mafia--T2: Behind the Scenes **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 2, 2008, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699 "2008-09-02T17:07:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 40
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/781 "2008-09-17T22:43:48Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > I actually agree with this point. I am not really much of a power role, you won’t be losing much. WOW - someone is agreeing with me… I kind of like that! ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/782 "2008-09-17T22:46:28Z")
> [@Total\_Lost](#): > > This is where we started - now why can’t we stick to this? > I don’t like the way the strategy Storyteller made - just seems to be altered by anyones fancy. We had a plan - why not stick to it?? if 3 of the 4 scum have gone vanilla, and only one has claimed a power role, the chances are that is the jester scum, who WANTS to be lynched before town numbers fall below 12. of course this line of reasoning is WIFOMY as all get out. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/783 "2008-09-17T22:47:30Z")
NAF’s lynch me please adds to my suspicions of him as jester scum btw \*\* unvote 1. NAF\*\* ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/784 "2008-09-17T22:54:06Z")
The paranoid Doc is the roleblocker/Doc combo, right? Here’s what we do. We have _exactly_ one of them target **Squid** , the claimed John Connor. If John’s question goes through toNight, then whoever targeted him didn’t block him and thus is lying. If John’s question gets blocked, then whoever targeted blocked him and thus must be telling the truth. This prevents us from lynching a power Role toDay. Any objections? ---
**Author:** ![Almost\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/919ad9/32.png) [@Almost\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Almost_Human)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/785 "2008-09-17T22:58:55Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > The paranoid Doc is the roleblocker/Doc combo, right? Here’s what we do. We have _exactly_ one of them target **Squid** , the claimed John Connor. If John’s question goes through toNight, then whoever targeted him didn’t block him and thus is lying. If John’s question gets blocked, then whoever targeted blocked him and thus must be telling the truth. This prevents us from lynching a power Role toDay. > > Any objections? That does make sense but **Squid’s** pretty good at the game so any information he gets could be useful. I’m happy to volunteer to be blocked because frankly I’m worried having the power over someone’s vote is going to cause me to cock things up. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/786 "2008-09-17T22:59:27Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > The paranoid Doc is the roleblocker/Doc combo, right? Here’s what we do. We have _exactly_ one of them target **Squid** , the claimed John Connor. If John’s question goes through toNight, then whoever targeted him didn’t block him and thus is lying. If John’s question gets blocked, then whoever targeted blocked him and thus must be telling the truth. This prevents us from lynching a power Role toDay. > > Any objections? I should probably fess up and add that the reason that my question didn’t go through last night was because I didn’t ask one. I really don’t see how John’s power is very useful, except perhaps as a tool for forcing someone to make a roleclaim. My question tonight will include a reference to my name, just as a further verification tool for everyone. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/787 "2008-09-17T23:01:15Z")
> [@Almost\_Human](#): > > That does make sense but **Squid’s** pretty good at the game so any information he gets could be useful. We all get the information, including the identity of the person I ask the question to. Just letting you know, it’s not going to be a tool for one way hidden towny communication or anything. Thanks, though. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/788 "2008-09-17T23:02:00Z")
> [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > NAF’s lynch me please adds to my suspicions of him as jester scum btw > \*\* > unvote 1. NAF\*\* Sorry, it wasn’t a lynch me please. It was a +1 for sticking to the plan and not going off half cocked. I don’t know why people insist on twisting words. Ok, I have to actually finish catching up now. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/789 "2008-09-17T23:02:39Z")
An alternative would be to have the suicidal Vig claim. One of our claimants target the Vig, the Vig targets that same claimant. If the claimant is telling the truth then he will block the kill. If the claimant is lying he’ll die. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/790 "2008-09-17T23:03:59Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > The paranoid Doc is the roleblocker/Doc combo, right? Here’s what we do. We have _exactly_ one of them target **Squid** , the claimed John Connor. If John’s question goes through toNight, then whoever targeted him didn’t block him and thus is lying. If John’s question gets blocked, then whoever targeted blocked him and thus must be telling the truth. This prevents us from lynching a power Role toDay. > > Any objections? And this is actually a great idea. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/791 "2008-09-17T23:05:07Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > An alternative would be to have the suicidal Vig claim. One of our claimants target the Vig, the Vig targets that same claimant. If the claimant is telling the truth then he will block the kill. If the claimant is lying he’ll die. That’s a pretty good idea if the Suicidal Vig isn’t going to be targeting himself tonight based on last night’s bloodbath. Actually, it’s a good idea, either way. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/792 "2008-09-17T23:08:44Z")
> [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > I should probably fess up and add that the reason that my question didn’t go through last night was because I didn’t ask one. :smack::smack::smack::smack::smack::smack::smack::smack::smack::smack::smack::smack::smack::smack::smack::smack::smack::smack::smack: :smack::smack::smack::smack: :smack::smack::smack: :smack: :smack: :smack::smack: :smack: :smack: > [@](#): > > I really don’t see how John’s power is very useful, except perhaps as a tool for forcing someone to make a roleclaim. > > My question tonight will include a reference to my name, just as a further verification tool for everyone. okay, i’m over it. What kind of questions can you ask? Can you ask Vanilla questions, and will they answer truthfully? I’m sure you see where I’m going with this. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/793 "2008-09-17T23:10:33Z")
I think Santo might be a little frustrated with me. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/794 "2008-09-17T23:12:10Z")
If anyone out there is contemplating self-harm toNight, please, seek help. There are so many resources out there – you don’t have to face this alone. Translation: If a Vig is going to suicide toNight, claim now. I’ve already thought of a convoluted plan that can save a suicidal Vig and sort out the dueling claims ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/795 "2008-09-17T23:13:53Z")
> [@Santo\_Rugger](#): > > What kind of questions can you ask? > Can you ask Vanilla questions, and will they answer truthfully? I’m sure you see where I’m going with this. A lot of smack :p- let me do that next time!!! I’m sure somewhere we were told, we didn’t have to answer JC truthfully - need to go back and look ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/796 "2008-09-17T23:18:19Z")
> [@Total\_Lost](#): > > A lot of smack :p- let me do that next time!!! > > I’m sure somewhere we were told, we didn’t have to answer JC truthfully - need to go back and look You don’t. That’s why I find the ability of somewhat limited usefulness. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/797 "2008-09-17T23:18:49Z")
Aaahhh! So much is happening so quickly and I’ve just had the hotel’s wifi system eat two of my posts (if I’m not active on the server for a certain amountof time the next time I change the page or in my case submit a post) so im going to have to take this in several posts sorry. NAF is full of it. Unfortunatly this can’t be proven toDay. I dont think we should lynch either of us because NAF is probably the Joker trying to get lynched. The only way I can think to prove this is for the vig to target one of us. In order to keep the vig alive through the Night I want to be the one attacked. More in a bit. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/798 "2008-09-17T23:23:11Z")
> [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > That’s a pretty good idea if the Suicidal Vig isn’t going to be targeting himself tonight based on last night’s bloodbath. > Actually, it’s a good idea, either way. Not if he kills the Jester. Are you able to give us more details about what you can and can’t do/ask? ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/799 "2008-09-17T23:24:48Z")
> [@Santo\_Rugger](#): > > Not if he kills the Jester. The Jester has to be lynched, not night-killed. Hitting the Jester with the Vig is the best thing we could do. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/800 "2008-09-17T23:24:55Z")
1. Jester Scum If he is lynched before there are 12 people or less, he will recruit target of his choice as vanilla scum. if we can decide between Ore and NAF, we can leave them to the vig, as the jester ability only kicks in for a lynch. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699.md?page=39) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699.md?page=41)