# Mafia--T2: Behind the Scenes **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 2, 2008, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699 "2008-09-02T17:07:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 41
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/801 "2008-09-17T23:26:22Z")
> [@Santo\_Rugger](#): > > Not if he kills the Jester. > > Are you able to give us more details about what you can and can’t do/ask? If he kills the Jester, we’re golden. Jester must be lynched, not night killed. I can ask pretty much anything, as far as I know. The report the next morning will include the identity of the person I ask, my question, and their response. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/802 "2008-09-17T23:29:53Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > The Jester has to be lynched, not night-killed. Hitting the Jester with the Vig is the best thing we could do. Work is getting to me! I realized that -right- before I posted that, and yet I still went ahead and typed it up anyway. **Booze** , can I have some of those :smack:s back? ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/803 "2008-09-17T23:30:54Z")
> [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > If he kills the Jester, we’re golden. Jester must be lynched, not night killed. > > I can ask pretty much anything, as far as I know. The report the next morning will include the identity of the person I ask, my question, and their response. So the mod will PM their question, and they’ll PM their response back to the mod? ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/804 "2008-09-17T23:38:35Z")
Total is making a lot of wierd statements that unless some one counterclaims him I have to assume is coming from a townie prospective. But I still want to argue them. The first is that claiming who was protected is a bad idea. The more information that we can present the town with more information to decided between us. This information does not give the scum any more information because they already know who’s scum and why would who was protected last Night matter to them, its not like it won’t influence who will be protected next. This is taking a while and I dont want to lose it so more later. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/805 "2008-09-17T23:47:15Z")
> [@santo rugger](#): > > so the mod will pm their question, and they’ll pm their response back to the mod? afaik. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/806 "2008-09-17T23:49:09Z")
> [@Total\_Lost](#): > > This is where we started - now why can’t we stick to this? > I don’t like the way the strategy Storyteller made - just seems to be altered by anyones fancy. We had a plan - why not stick to it?? A little bit more of my PIS you know its a bad idea when the scum are agreeing with it and NAF jumped all over this plan. Please dont lynch one of us let the vig do it. The more I think about it why not have the doc and one of us special docs protect the vig that way even if the town selects the wrong one of us the vig still won’t kill himself. Well, I’m out of ideas for no I guess I’ll just wait for some responses. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/807 "2008-09-18T00:35:50Z")
Well it has been a weird day, and I think scum are playing a very weird game which is making me doubt what on first pass would be seen as town moves. Not sure why we would wait for a lynch, we know that either Orediggr or NAF is scum. Why not just string em up, and then if we get it wrong, we do the other, one scum down. Anyway back to this further slight by story on me in post 694 which I find a little odd. > [@](#): > > Well, I already addressed post #651, and suspicion of Total Lost in particular, in the post to which you are replying here, when I said: > > (I note that Total Lost has faced some mild suspicion, but less for her refusal to claim and more for her oddly anxious tone). > So it is incorrect to state that post 651 drew a connection between refusing to mass claim and potential scumminess. It would have been correct to state that post 651 drew a connection between Total Lost’s word choice and overall tone in the context of failing to mass claim and potential scumminess. > > This is the second time that you have attempted to represent my argument as something other than what it is. YesterDay you attempted to paint my attack on your argument against sachertorte as a defense of sach, and now you have falsely claimed that I pointed suspicion at Total Lost specifically because she did not go along with the mass claim. > > One of two things is happening here. One is that I am not communicating effectively. The other is that you are scum and are trying to hang something on me any way you can. I can’t decide which, and am frankly leaning toward the former right now because the differences between what I’m saying and what you’re reading are so egregious that I may be failing to get my point across. > > Or maybe not; I’m not sure yet. Let’s look at the sequence of events because I think you are mixing them up. Post 651 you provide one possibility for Total Lost holding up the mass claim moving forwards which is, they were scum Also note in post 640 you said > [@](#): > > An excess of discussion in this case favors the scum. It allows them to delay the action long enough that the claiming might not be complete today, and further to take up the whole day tossing the idea around so we don’t have time to actually take action with a useful vote. Post 657 I say > [@](#): > > we are in a position that if we doñt agree we have to go along, least the accusation of being scum on account of holding the whole process up be leveled. Which is a quite reasonable reading of your post 651 and 640 You jumped back in post 660 and claimed I was the first one to make the connection. However it is pretty clear you think there may be a connection from post 651 and 640. You then clarify what your post 641 actually meant, and repeated the accusation that I had preemptively pulled the connection out of my butt. Note you also have swapped from my comments from being about a discussion of the role claim to being about going along with the mass role claim. When I defended my position in post 667 you jump back and say that you have already clarified what 651 intended. However I am just pointing out my reasoning for the original post and at the time I did not have the benefit of your later clarification. It should be noted again you say this > [@](#): > > So it is incorrect to state that post 651 drew a connection between refusing to mass claim and potential scumminess Again you swap my concerns over discussion being seen a scummy for an actual refusal as being scummy. Ok we may not be communicating effectively, the cause is more likely to be me than you though because I am mystified by your attacks on me. Oh and please quit with the I am attacking you lines. I was posting my concerns over the speed of the mass role claim and potential false accusations against people who talked for longer, and you come up with this > [@](#): > > and now you have falsely claimed that I pointed suspicion at Total Lost specifically because she did not go along with the mass claim. I have not falsely accused you of anything. It would be impossible for me to falsely accuse you of anything, because I have not actually accused (or smudged or whatever it is you want to read into my posts) you of anything. This is just in your mind, I have no idea why I have pinged you scumdar so heavily. If you had not pushed this mass role claim id bethinking the only reason you are latching so heavily onto anything I say is because you are scum and know I am not and thus are pushing a lynch of me. This however does not make sense in light of your push for the mass role claim. To be honest I though peeky was scum as well and he is now a confirmed town, so my scumdar is just way out of whack. Anyway this is all just a long post to say I think we should string up oredigger, naf and Story in some order. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/808 "2008-09-18T00:57:33Z")
Since its been suggested again I just want to be clear that I think its a horrible idea to lynch NAF. Something that everyone should worry about is that if the jester is lynched he will probably recruit the other person. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/809 "2008-09-18T01:32:45Z")
> [@CatInASuit](#): > > I am sorry to say this but this game is broken and the scum cannot win. > > This is due to the unfortunate effect of the voting and mod-kill. > > In order to do this, all that has to happen is for the all real vanilla scientists to not vote. They will be modkilled at the end of Day leaving behind any scum who were pretending to be vanilla and had to vote or any pairs of scum who have matched up with a power role. > > However, there will be more than enough power roles remaning to outweigh the remaining scum and pairs. To prevent the Jester taking effect from the Lynch a single power role can be sacrificed to the lynch from a non-pair. > > After the vanilla die, a power role is lynched and the Vigilante removes a scum from the voting vanilla, we will be below the 12 people limit under which the Jester has no effect. > > Endgame. > > The scum cannot recruit and it will be obvious who they are. > > And it takes all the fun out of it. ☹ If they do this…I’ve got a plan…an eeeeeeevil plan. 🙂 Edit: Seriously, do this and you _will_ regret it. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/810 "2008-09-18T01:55:40Z")
> [@Santo\_Rugger](#): > > I was mostly being a jackass. Hey wait a minute. That’s my title. And even though I brought this whole Mod Kill shit up in **Sach** ’s game and even though he said he was all right with it because it was within the rules I still, post suggestion, felt like shit. I think **Sach** was just being gracious. Needless to say, I will not support or participate in a mass non Mod vote mass suicide. No Masadas. Having said that I am also not going to reveal my specific role, for now. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/811 "2008-09-18T01:57:55Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > Hey wait a minute. That’s my title. > > And even though I brought this whole Mod Kill shit up in **Sach** ’s game and even though he said he was all right with it because it was within the rules I still, post suggestion, felt like shit. I think **Sach** was just being gracious. Needless to say, I will not support or participate in a mass non Mod vote mass suicide. No Masadas. > > Having said that I am also not going to reveal my specific role, for now. I thought you were being annoying during the night. Refusing to reveal your role at this point… well, what can I say? Good play if you’re the Jester **Vote: 1. Peekerpa** ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/812 "2008-09-18T02:16:33Z")
> [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > I thought you were being annoying during the night. Refusing to reveal your role at this point… well, what can I say? Good play if you’re the Jester > > **Vote: 1. Peekerpa** But if he’s the Jester we DON’T want to lynch him (yet). ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/813 "2008-09-18T02:28:11Z")
> [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > I thought you were being annoying during the night. Refusing to reveal your role at this point… well, what can I say? Good play if you’re the Jester > > **[COLOR"Blue"]Vote: 1. Peekerpa[COLOR]** \ C’mon **Squiddy** give a guy a break. I was catching up and made a post. Now a couple of pages later I see that more specificity has come out of the woodwork. I’ve got the taser (roll block). Sheesh if it weren’t perceived to be **OMGYS** you’d have a big 'ol blue numer one by your name. I mean fishing in a lake without a clue is one thing (blind pigs find acorns and all that). But fishing in your toilet and hoping to get someone excited about your lump fish catch is really stretching. And I ain’t buying that shit. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/814 "2008-09-18T02:37:52Z")
> [@ShadowFacts](#): > > But if he’s the Jester we DON’T want to lynch him (yet). Noper. Especially since I am the tase equipped role blocker. If you gals/want to lynch the town’s role blocker then, Meh. Not real sure what I am doing anyways so, whatever. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/815 "2008-09-18T02:52:02Z")
> [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > I thought you were being annoying during the night. Refusing to reveal your role at this point… well, what can I say? Good play if you’re the Jester > > **[COLOR"Blue"]Vote: 1. Peekerpa[COLOR]** And now since I have fully claimed, Mr. Scum of some Pursuation, I assume you will either retract your vote or come up with a similarily lame reason to leave it in place. Ceviche is a dish best served cold - if you get my drift at all. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/816 "2008-09-18T03:24:13Z")
> [@Santo\_Rugger](#): > > Vanilla scientists not willing to be modkilled and lose the game, winning it for their teammates: > > storyteller0910 > Santo Rugger > Shadow Facts I’d gladly join this list. However, the politician hasn’t told me for whom to vote (and it has to be via the mod). So he can, actually, get me modkilled. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/817 "2008-09-18T03:39:37Z")
> [@DiggitCamara](#): > > I’d gladly join this list. > > However, the politician hasn’t told me for whom to vote (and it has to be via the mod). So he can, actually, get me modkilled. That doesn’t seem very fair? ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/818 "2008-09-18T03:46:58Z")
> [@Santo\_Rugger](#): > > That doesn’t seem very fair? It isn’t. However, let’s clarify: **Can the politician get his “victim” modkilled by not giving him a list of votes?** ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/819 "2008-09-18T04:18:57Z")
> [@ShadowFacts](#): > > But if he’s the Jester we DON’T want to lynch him (yet). Well, we are going to be taking some sort of a stab today. We might hit Jester, but I don’t see the ambiguous power role as the sort of claim that a Jester is likely to make. > [@peekerpa](#): > > And now since I have fully claimed, Mr. Scum of some Pursuation, I assume you will either retract your vote or come up with a similarily lame reason to leave it in place. > > Ceviche is a dish best served cold - if you get my drift at all. I’m not scum, peeks. I’m a very confirmable pro-Town role. Don’t get your panties in a bunch. On the other hand, I’m totally down with ceviche served cold. **Unvote: [del]dipshit[/del]peekerpa** ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/820 "2008-09-18T04:32:28Z")
> [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > Well, we are going to be taking some sort of a stab today. We might hit Jester, but I don’t see the ambiguous power role as the sort of claim that a Jester is likely to make… Unless they were -trying- to get lynched. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699.md?page=40) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699.md?page=42)