# Mafia--T2: Behind the Scenes **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 2, 2008, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699 "2008-09-02T17:07:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 42
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/821 "2008-09-18T05:39:48Z")
> [@Santo\_Rugger](#): > > Unless they were -trying- to get lynched. I still think a better way to get possibly lynched would be to claim a real power role… aww, god… is it WIFOM time already? ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 7:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/822 "2008-09-18T07:33:51Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > Total is making a lot of wierd statements that unless some one counterclaims him I have to assume is coming from a townie prospective. But I still want to argue them. The first is that claiming who was protected is a bad idea. The more information that we can present the town with more information to decided between us. This information does not give the scum any more information because they already know who’s scum and why would who was protected last Night matter to them, its not like it won’t influence who will be protected next. This is taking a while and I dont want to lose it so more later. I didn’t mean I thought it a bad idea to tell who I protedted - I just assumed I could do Town good, if I didn’t have to claim “doc” but could claim “role” (or “power role”). ---
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 8:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/823 "2008-09-18T08:42:02Z")
Well, as far as \*\*Oredigger77 \*\*and \*\*NAF1138 \*\*are concerned both claiming Paranoid Doc, the easiest thing to do is wait until we have 12 or less players left and then look at the problem again. This will allow the paranoid doc to continue protecting/roleblocking while preventing the scum from getting lynched early. I wish I could confirm \*\*Oredigger77 \*\*as he said he overnight “protected” me as it would make life easier, but unfortunately I cannot. ☹ I’ll leave the WIFOM for later in the game thanks. The good news is that I don’t have as many people to look at when deciding who to vote for. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 8:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/824 "2008-09-18T08:56:32Z")
_Makes note of Peeker’s claim._ So now the only unclaimed roles are the Armed Scientist and Sarah Connor. This amuses me, because I have held both roles this game. One at a time, of course. The one I hold _now_ is Sarah Connor. It would be nice and tidy if **Flyfisheron** was the Vig; however that cannot be assumed as it is possible that the vig claimed Vanilla and **Flyfisheron** is something else. That something else need not be scum though - he could easily be a vanilla Scientist. Or, as a somewhat less likely possibility, one of the scum might have claimed his role, giving the claimant an appearance of legitimacy with an uncontested claim. A temporary one, true. I noted yesterday that the Flyfisher had not logged into his account since before Dusk Yesterday. This might pose a problem unless someone gives him a poke in the ribs. RL is calling with a siren call. I have to go out, but I can play again tonight. ---
**Author:** ![Almost\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/919ad9/32.png) [@Almost\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Almost_Human)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 10:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/825 "2008-09-18T10:10:17Z")
> [@DiggitCamara](#): > > I’d gladly join this list. > > However, the politician hasn’t told me for whom to vote (and it has to be via the mod). So he can, actually, get me modkilled. **Diggit** I’m fairly certain I can’t get you modkilled. I think you have to not vote _ **and** _ not post for that to happen. Otherwise I could just kill off an extra claimed vanilla every day which would, I think, totally break the game. I don’t have any plans to stop you from voting but right now I’m undecided on who to vote for which seems to be the case for the majority here. ---
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/826 "2008-09-18T15:20:27Z")
Something for people to discuss in the run up to the lynch as no-one seems to want to get a discussion started. I don’t have much time and I am going to get a vote down, so **1. vote Santo Rugger** - Getting details wrong/messed up which would affect the town and a bad hack on my posts. **2. vote Diggit Camara** - Following on from Day 1. Pending a bit more investigation. **3. vote Flyfisheron** - Pending a role reveal I will be posting more details as and when I have time. \*\*Storyteller \*\*- I am still uncertain of the role claim and its effect on the game. It has certainly appeared very quickly given how this town likes to argue amongst itself on matters like this. However, what’s done is done and so for the moment, I am waiting to see what happens next. Don’t you dare say - Trust me 😉 ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/827 "2008-09-18T15:42:41Z")
Since Storyteller seems reluctant to pimp his own game over here I am taking it upon myself to pimp it for him. He and Kat, two of the best mods I have played with, have a new game that has an open slot offboard. [Signup here](http://psychopathgame.proboards106.com/index.cgi?board=wait&action=display&thread=437) The game starts as soon as this slot is filled so act fast. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/828 "2008-09-18T17:32:55Z")
Well I am still thinking we should lynch Oredigger or NAF, a dead scum is better than a possible mis lynch but if the consensus is against it. I think our suicidal vig is still around. The simplest way to explain the last nights kills is that t800 hit the t1000 SA, the SA died and as per the rules the T800 died as well. That does not need any extra misdirect from rysto or random permutations of suicidal vigs role blockers and what have you. Anyway the day is wearing on and we have precious few votes out there so without much further ado I will vote \*\* 1) Storyteller. I have no idea what his game is with picking my post apart, but I know I am town, I don’t know what he is.\*\* \*\* 2) Catinasuit. He was opposed to the role claim all along, the role claim has subsequently shown to be a good thing. \*\* \*\* 3) Cookies, she has been way way too quite\*\* ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/829 "2008-09-18T17:35:24Z")
NETA sorry Pedescribe got that all in bold hopefully this is a little clearer \*\* 1) Storyteller.\*\* I have no idea what his game is with picking my post apart, but I know I am town, I don’t know what he is. \*\* 2) Catinasuit. \*\* He was opposed to the role claim all along, the role claim has subsequently shown to be a good thing. \*\* 3) Cookies\*\* , she has been way way too quite ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/830 "2008-09-18T18:35:34Z")
So we are less than 24 hrs from the deadline and very few votes on record I can sort for understand it form the confirmed town power roles, but the rest, it seams a bit weird. Are the scum hiding in the vanilla town just waiting for a last minute bulldoze of the vote. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/831 "2008-09-18T19:00:09Z")
Vote: 1)\*\* Flyfisheron\*\* - lurking, not revealing, not fond of his screen name 2)\*\* NaturalBlondChap\*\* - Vanilla claimer, Did something I didn’t like yesterday. 3) **CatinaSuit** - Vanilla claimer, Centuries old grudge ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/832 "2008-09-18T21:14:09Z")
Well, not everyone has fully claimed yet, but it’s time to start looking at the Vanillas and see who looks fishy. I think the weirdest post today has been from **NBC**. > [@NaturalBlondChap](#): > > Well it has been a weird day, and I think scum are playing a very weird game which is making me doubt what on first pass would be seen as town moves. > Not sure why we would wait for a lynch, we know that either Orediggr or NAF is scum. Why not just string em up, and then if we get it wrong, we do the other, one scum down. It has been explained multiple times now that one of them probably claimed power in an effort to get lynched. That is, there is a decent chance that one of them is the Jester scum, so we’re better of waiting to lynch them. Is there some reason you want to push it? **NBC** then goes on with a huge semantic nitpick with **story**. Like yesterday, it looks to me like they are just talking past each other about tiny details. **story** says **NBC** is attacking him, **NBC** says **story** is attacking him. I’m not going to try to parse through all of it, though, as the interesting (to me) stuff was at the very end: [QUOTE=NBC] To be honest I though peeky was scum as well and he is now a confirmed town, so my scumdar is just way out of whack. [/QUOTE] How is **peeker** confirmed now? [QUOTE=NBC] If you [story] had not pushed this mass role claim id bethinking the only reason you are latching so heavily onto anything I say is because you are scum and know I am not and thus are pushing a lynch of me. This however does not make sense in light of your push for the mass role claim. \ Anyway this is all just a long post to say I think we should string up oredigger, naf and Story in some order. [/QUOTE] So, you’d think **story** was scum except that he pushed the mass role claim idea. Since he did push the mass role claim idea, him being scum doesn’t make sense to you. But then you still want to vote for him. :dubious: Also, if only one of **NAF** and **OreDigger** is scum, then why do you want to vote for _both_ of them? You know, you pinged me a little yesterday (as I pointed out then). After this post, you’re pinging me a lot harder. I’m not sure if you’re my #1 yet, but you’re definitely on my list right now. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/833 "2008-09-18T21:19:01Z")
> [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > Vote: > 1)\*\* Flyfisheron\*\* - lurking, not revealing, not fond of his screen name > 2)\*\* NaturalBlondChap\*\* - Vanilla claimer, Did something I didn’t like yesterday. > 3) **CatinaSuit** - Vanilla claimer, Centuries old grudge I gotta say, there are some sucky reasons tucked in there. “Not fond of his screen name”? Really? That’s on your #1! “Did something I didn’t like?” Did what? Can you be more specific? “Centuries old grudge”?!?. I mean, I admit that’s kind of funny as an in-joke, and it is your #3, but in sum it comes across like you’re padding your reasons to vote for people. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/834 "2008-09-18T21:30:50Z")
**1. Vote NBC 2. Vote Boozahol Squid, P.I. 3. Vote Flyfisheron** There will not be much original thought in this justification. But if I get lynched for it, the town is only down a vanilla scientist, and there sure seem to be plenty of us to go around. 😃 I’m completely and totally slammed with work all of a sudden this week, but it is temporary. ShadowFacts points out a variety of things that have also ping’d me with respedt to NBC, and I throw in a little OMGUS too, I suppose. It also seems a bit contradictory in that his number one vote is for the first person to claim, and his second vote is for someone for not claiming. Now, that being said, storyteller claiming first as vanilla scientist could very well be an attempt at a scum to gain cred, so I can’t fault NBC too much. Some of Boozy’s vote reasoning is dubious, as has also been pointed out. Flyfisheron needs to get with the program and claim. Back to hell… ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/835 "2008-09-18T21:58:18Z")
> [@ShadowFacts](#): > > I gotta say, there are some sucky reasons tucked in there. “Not fond of his screen name”? Really? That’s on your #1! “Did something I didn’t like?” Did what? Can you be more specific? “Centuries old grudge”?!?. I mean, I admit that’s kind of funny as an in-joke, and it is your #3, but in sum it comes across like you’re padding your reasons to vote for people. Let me explain it more simply, entirely without humor. My preferred lynch candidate is flyfisheron. He hasn’t played today, he hasn’t taken part in the reveal, and he’s a possible candidate for mod-kill anyways. If we’re not going to lynch him, we need to lynch within the pool of claimed vanilla townies. Scum -are- in that group. I don’t have a massive preference for any of them right now, so I picked two. I really hate this fucking borda system of voting. I’m used to deciding on one candidate, not maintaining some extensive trust/distrust list in order to then list who my ‘next best’ choices are. The fact that someone like Cookies is throwing me on there as a second place vote is an obvious sign hat votes are being tossed around capriciously. Cookies: do you actually think I’m scum? I claimed John Connors, a totally verifiable role. Whether you think I’m acting sketchily or not, do you really want to vote off a pro-Town player? ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/836 "2008-09-18T22:01:21Z")
Fuck a duck. You’re in the pool of vanilla claimers as well. Might as well return the favor. **unvote: CatinaSuit Vote: (3rd place) Cookies** ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/837 "2008-09-18T22:02:24Z")
> [@DiggitCamara](#): > > It isn’t. However, let’s clarify: > > **Can the politician get his “victim” modkilled by not giving him a list of votes?** People are modkilled/subbed if they don’t post at least four substance posts and they don’t vote. If you do one of those two things, you’re good. Votecount coming later. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/838 "2008-09-18T22:06:23Z")
My main purpose in voting for Oredigger was to draw attention to my counter claim. Now that that is taken care of **unvote all** My number 1 slot is going to \*\*1.Cookies \*\* for voting for a claimed power role and being vanilla. Number 2 will be NBC for being vanilla and continuing to do scummy shit. Story’s initial attack was weak, but the post shadow just put up makes me think he was on to something. **2.NBC** Number 3 will go to flyfisheron for lack of actual gameplay \*\*3. Flyfisheron \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Almost\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/919ad9/32.png) [@Almost\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Almost_Human)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/839 "2008-09-18T22:08:38Z")
**1 Vote NBC** **2 Vote Flyfisheron** **3 Vote Cookies** NBC because he isn’t letting up on this Story thing. Flyfisheron because he hasn’t signed in yet or taken part in any way toDay. Everyone else has claimed now Cookies for voting a claimed power role I was suspicious of **Diggit** yesterDay because he didn’t seem to be reading properly but he seems to be doing so now so that’s lessened. I’d also feel a bit mean for making him vote for himself 🙂 So **Diggit** you should get your voting instructions shortly and it’ll be the same as mine apart from number 3 which will be Pollux not that I was suspicious of him but because I hadn’t noticed Cookies had voted for a power role when I sent it. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/840 "2008-09-18T22:19:05Z")
\*\*unvote all vote 1. NBC 2. Cookies 3. Flyfisheron\*\* need to target vanilla / unclaimed. I agree with peoples resaoning on NBC/Cookies, with NBC seeming the more scummalicious of the 2. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699.md?page=41) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699.md?page=43)