# Mafia--T2: Behind the Scenes **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 2, 2008, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699 "2008-09-02T17:07:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 52
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2008, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1021 "2008-09-23T12:06:20Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > Wow, that was unclear and wrong. > > unvote 3. Santo Rugger > vote 3. Zeriel > > THAT’S the placeholder. > > unvote 2. OaOW > vote 2. Oredigger77 > > THAT’S my opinion on the doc controversy. Ok, aside from the weirdness of how it was done you really want to vote for a person who is either the jester or one on the town docs. You’ve got to be kidding me. After cookies action yesterDay and now this: **Vote 1: Zeriel Vote 2: NBC Vote 3: Pollux** My reasons for the last two are the same as before but Pollux is quickly falling off my scum board and will probably be replaced later this week. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2008, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1022 "2008-09-23T13:23:34Z")
CiAS: Simple: Because I got OaOW and Oredigger backwards in my head and I was tired, and then I got the subscription thread update in my e-mail and said wait, that’s not right. Santo’s on there because he was originally the second placeholder before I decided to vote my opinion on the doc situation instead of myself and placeholder. And yes, I do want to put my second vote on the doc to register my official suspicions when there’s a far and away vote leader. Didn’t you guys discuss using the borda system for exactly that on day one, so all suspicions are fully accountable? As I’ve said before and elsewhere, I have either got to start proofreading more or stop playing on a whim after midnight. =P ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2008, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1023 "2008-09-23T15:50:41Z")
I need to get a vote down. I guess no one wanted to look at my theory that we can’t actually lose this game as long as we systematically lynch the vanillas. I actually was sort of hoping that someone would come out and say I was wrong, the game is kinda dull if it is that rote. Vanilla storyteller0910 Santo Rugger Diggit Cookies NBC Shadow Facts CatinaSuit Pollux Oil **1. Vote NBC** The only one of the vanilla’s left who is pinging me. **2. Diggit** **3. Pollux** [Random.org](http://Random.org) placeholder votes. Sorry guys. I will try to find real reasons to vote for a couple of vanillas soon. If I see anyone that I think is scummier than anyone else I will change my vote. I see people who I think are less scummy in that pool. Story for his early and consistent push against NBC, Rugger because of the Sarah Connor thing, and Zeriel actually because of the messed up vote (I have not known scum to be quite so sloppy before, and Z is a better player than that, or he used to be at least) As for the rest of them I don’t have really strong feelings. I am going to try to do a full game re-read today at some point hope something sticks out at me. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2008, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1024 "2008-09-23T16:14:56Z")
Vote Count! Complete Votes: CatInASuit: 1. Zeriel, 2. Santo Rugger, 3. NBC Almost Human: 1. NBC, 2. Diggit, 3. Pollux Oil NBC: 1. NBC, 2. Diggit, 3. Pollux Oil Zeriel: 1. CatInASuit, 2. Oredigger, 3. Zeriel Pollux Oil: 1. NBC, 2. Zeriel, 3. Pollux Oil Oredigger: 1. Zeriel, 2. NBC, 3. Pollux Oil NAF: 1. NBC, 2. Diggit, 3. Pollux Oil Incomplete Votes: Shadow Facts: 1. NBC NOTE: INCOMPLETE VOTES DO NOT CONTRIBUTE TO DUSK TALLIES! Extra Effects: Sarah Connor is currently intimidating NBC. NBC: (21) (NAF 1st, Pollux Oil 1st, NBC 1st, AH 1st, Shadow Facts 1st, Oredigger 2nd, CatInASuit 3rd, Sarah Connor Special Effect) Zeriel: (9) (CatInASuit 1st, Oredigger 1st, Pollux Oil 2nd, Zeriel 3rd) DiggitCamera: (6) (NAF 2nd, AH 2nd, NBC 2nd) Pollux Oil: (5) (AH 3rd, NBC 3rd, Pollux Oil 3rd, Oredigger 3rd, NAF 3rd) CatInASuit: (3) (Zeriel 1st) Santo Rugger: (2) (CatInASuit 2nd) Oredigger: (2) (Zeriel 2nd) ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2008, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1025 "2008-09-23T16:17:53Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > and Zeriel actually because of the messed up vote (I have not known scum to be quite so sloppy before, and Z is a better player than that, or he used to be at least) Thanks for the vote of confidence–basically, the reason I allowed myself to sub in here was that I will have lots of time when I start my new job. On Monday. So I apologize for my stress/late-night related assclownery this week. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2008, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1026 "2008-09-23T16:49:03Z")
I don’t get people jumping on for **Zeriel** for his vote error. With his vote for **OAOW** , he said this: [QUOTE=Zeriel] Placeholders for the sake of my vote and to officially register my opinion on the which witch(er, doc) is which controversy. [/QUOTE] It is clear to me that he meant **Oredigger** , as that is the only way the Doc comment makes any sense at all. Then he corrected his vote when he noticed that he screwed up. Can someone tell me how that is scummy? I notice **Oredigger** was very quick to put his #1 on **Zeriel** for this. Now, if you’re suspicious of **Zeriel** for some of **Cookies’** earlier behavior, that’s another matter entirely ( **Pollux** , for example). Admittedly, **Oredigger** does also reference earlier **Cookies** behavior with his vote post, but this error looks to have been the catalyst, or pretense, depending on how generous with **Ore** you want to be. ---
**Author:** ![Almost\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/919ad9/32.png) [@Almost\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Almost_Human)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2008, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1027 "2008-09-23T17:39:24Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Hey, does someone want to check my numbers on something? > > If the Jester doesn’t recruit and we systematically lynch a person in the vanilla pool every Day…it’s not actually possible for the scum to win is it? Do I have that wrong? I didn’t answer this cos I hoped someone who could actually do maths would and do it more succinctly but here goes: Remaining living players: CLAIMED VANILLA storyteller0910 Santo Rugger Diggit Zeriel NBC Shadow Facts CatinaSuit Pollux Oil BUS DRIVER Rysto COMMUTER One and Only Wanderers POLITICIAN Almost Human PARANOID DOC Oredigger77 or NAF JOHN CONNOR Boozahol Squid, PI DOCTOR Total Lost SARA CONNOR Mhaye I’m just doing this in the order of the list - it has no bearing on who I think is scummy. 12 town - 4 scum Today we lynch Storyteller - Storyteller turns out to be town = 11 town - 4 scum ToNight Rysto is killed - = 10 town 4 scum Next day we lynch Santo - Santo turns out to be town = 9 town 4 scum That Night OAOW is killed = 8 town 4 scum Next day we lynch Diggit - Diggit turns out to be town = 7 town 4 scum That Night AH is killed = 6 town 4 scum Next day we lynch Zeriel - Zeriel turns out to be town = 5 town 4 scum That Night Squid is killed= 4 town 4 scum Game over. Of course that’s assuming we get it wrong each time and is a worst case scenario. Also the day I’ve got for Diggit dying could also be used to out the false doc if he isn’t already dead by the vig as by that stage we’d only have 12 players remaining. I’d have thought we’d know who that was by then. I think we do have a very good chance of winning but it isn’t impossible to lose. By the way **NAF** , Oredigger’s said what he did last Night. Can you tell us what you did? ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2008, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1028 "2008-09-23T18:17:25Z")
We’re caught in a bit of a bind here, which I’m sure the Jester finds funny; we have to lynch, and do our best to pick up scum, because we only had one spare mislynch, and we’ve used it to gain information. But when scumhunting, we risk finding the one the scum _wants_ us to find. Bit of a dilemma really. As with Yesterday, we should lynch someone in the Vanilla pool. Clearly, my suspicions of Yesterday have not abated; I am intimidating NBC right now, and he was my first choice for scum in my original vote Yesterday, with DarkCookies second. I have considered the possibility that **NBC** may be acting the way he is in order to get lynched because he’s the Jester. it would be a very difficult line to walk - raising enough suspicion to get lynched but not enough to make us think he _wanted_ to be lynched. It’s far simpler for the Jester to claim a role he (or, as it may be, she) knows will get counterclaimed; and sure enough we have one such claim. But is that _too_ simple? Ah, the smell of WIFOM in the evening. (Even if iocaine powder was odourless.) Before I vote, I’ll be doing at least one reread of the Day’s action. But right now, I’m likely to revert to my first suspicion, unless compelling evidence against someone else emerges. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2008, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1029 "2008-09-23T20:23:02Z")
Well: it seems that our job here is clear: start clearing out vanillas and hope we slaughter some bad with the good. \*\*Vote: 1. Zerial 2. NBC 3. Diggit\*\* ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2008, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1030 "2008-09-23T20:51:11Z")
1. NBC 2. Zerial 3. CatInA\*\*[/COLOR]This one is part OMGUS, I’ll admit. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2008, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1031 "2008-09-23T20:56:30Z")
**1) NBC 2) Zerial 3) CatInA**This one is part OMGUS, I’ll admit. [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2008, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1032 "2008-09-23T20:58:14Z")
Somebody is having coding trouble. Not gonna say who. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2008, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1033 "2008-09-23T21:46:16Z")
Spelling trouble, too. Why does everyone wanna call me Al? ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2008, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1034 "2008-09-23T21:52:16Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > Spelling trouble, too. Why does everyone wanna call me Al? It’s either that, or **Z-man** , and I’m not sure **ped** would approve of having a vote for **Z-man**. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2008, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1035 "2008-09-23T21:54:22Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > Why does everyone wanna call me Al? I will be honest and say the spelling of your name is why I started simply calling you Z. I can’t spell for beans on a good day and I hate screwing up people’s names. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2008, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1036 "2008-09-23T21:55:59Z")
Is it too much to ask for people to put a reason for each of their votes? Just throwing votes out there allows for post-hoc justifications, since the reasons are not on record. This is bad for voting analysis and pro-scum. Even something like “for reasons I stated earlier in post XYZ” would be enough and shouldn’t be that much trouble, unless you have no reason for voting for someone. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2008, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1037 "2008-09-23T22:03:31Z")
NBC - because he’s been shady. Z-man - because he’s been shady. CatInA - because he thinks I’m scum just because of my ideas… we all know different ideas are not = scum, but it reminds me of the way Idle treated me in the last game when I was Obviously Innocent… just keep stirring the “he’s suspicious” pot. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2008, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1038 "2008-09-23T22:04:50Z")
Although, I’m not sure it matters much. Half the voters are confirmed, and half the voters are going to be dead when it’s time to start analyzing votes. Not to say we shouldn’t do it, but I just don’t feel like putting forth the full effort of finding specific posts and such. Sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Almost\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/919ad9/32.png) [@Almost\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Almost_Human)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2008, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1039 "2008-09-23T22:09:34Z")
**NAF** Oredigger said who he supposedly protected last night. I asked earlier what you did but it was at the end of my last post so maybe you missed it. Care to share your night actions if any? ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2008, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1040 "2008-09-23T22:13:57Z")
> [@Almost\_Human](#): > > **NAF** Oredigger said who he supposedly protected last night. I asked earlier what you did but it was at the end of my last post so maybe you missed it. Care to share your night actions if any? Actually, again no, not really. Sorry. It really won’t help confirm me any more than it confirmed Ore and it will give away my working strategy which would actually take away the little bit of benefit I think I can be to the town at this point. Sorry. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699.md?page=51) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699.md?page=53)