# Mafia--T2: Behind the Scenes **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 2, 2008, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699 "2008-09-02T17:07:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 59
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1161 "2008-09-29T13:54:51Z")
> [@Almost\_Human](#): > > I’m fine with that. I can see I can’t be verified as still having my powers while I’m influencing OD’s vote so if you can verify another power role for definite then I’ll be happy to influence them toMorrow instead. Just buy **NAF** ’s vote: you, **Oredigger** and **NAF** can’t all be scum. ---
**Author:** ![Almost\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/919ad9/32.png) [@Almost\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Almost_Human)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1162 "2008-09-29T14:01:00Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > Just buy **NAF** ’s vote: you, **Oredigger** and **NAF** can’t all be scum. That’s true enough - they could only turn one of us. Sounds like a plan. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1163 "2008-09-29T16:17:40Z")
There is a problem we’re going to have as we go on from here and that is Sarah driving people insane. I think we might want to go back on the idea of her suiciding. The scum have no more powers so they can no longer be hurt by going insane. Someone (I think) went insane last night and they are no longer verifiable, if they were a power role. As for NAF’s claim, the first thing I have to ask is, now that he is admitting who he ‘protected’ and should be following orders for the rest of the game his strategy shouldn’t matter, who to protect so who has he blocked so far? I’m betting that its an all vanilla list. The best solution to this problem is to have the vig kill one of us and the town lynch the other with the caveat that if scum is lynched then the vig doesn’t kill the townie that night. ---
**Author:** ![dotchan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9d8465/32.png) [@dotchan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dotchan)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1164 "2008-09-29T17:05:29Z")
I don’t think this question has been asked before: **Would someone know that they have been driven insane by Sarah Conner?** ---
**Author:** ![dotchan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9d8465/32.png) [@dotchan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dotchan)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1165 "2008-09-29T17:12:12Z")
Also, does anybody have a compilation of what the claims are? Even better if this also includes the post numbers of when the claim was made. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1166 "2008-09-29T17:27:37Z")
Here’s a copy-and-paste of something I posted after the mass-claim completed. I tried to update it with any new information, but I may have missed a thing or two. **Confirmed Pro-Town(Dead)** Blaster Master (T-800) sachertorte Zsofia Flyfisheron peekercpa (Roleblocker) **Confirmed Scum(Dead)** Thing Fish (SA T-1000) NBC (Jester) **Uncountered Power Role** Rysto (Bus Driver) One and Only Wanderers (Commuter) Almost Human (Politician) Boozahol Squid, PI(John Connor) Total Lost (Doctor) mhaye (Sarah Connor) **Paranoid Doc Claimants** Oredigger77 NAF **Vanilla Claimants** storyteller0910 Santo Rugger Diggit Cookies Shadow Facts CatinaSuit Pollux Oil ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1167 "2008-09-29T20:58:32Z")
Sorry everyone. Vomiting cat + wife with heart palpitations + major electrical short in one of my theatres = no time to play. Back tomorrow, hopefully. When it rains, it pours! ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2008, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1168 "2008-09-30T12:43:34Z")
Mostly I haven’t said anything today because I’ve said all I think I need to–I’m pretty convinced of NAF’s guilt because of the way he claimed to have been blocking JC–there’s a reason we planned, so that no one COULD play “I did it” “no I did it”. Breaking the plan is anti-town. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2008, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1169 "2008-09-30T13:37:59Z")
People the scum may have wanted to recruit: **NAF or Oredigger** , whichever one isn’t scum. Heck, one of them even said ( **Oredigger**?) we should lynch one, and if they turn up scum, not bother with the other (what they said was not to have the Vig attack the other, but still). **Total Lost** This would eliminate the Doctor for the scum. It would be a good choice. Vanilla townie would be a good choice because once we find two scum in that pool, we would probably start looking at the Power Roles. WiFoM. Three bad choices would be: Boozahol Squid, PI(John Connor) Almost Human (Politician) mhaye (Sarah Connor) because they’re actions are all visible via the Mod. Rysto (Bus Driver) One and Only Wanderers (Commuter) Do these guys have any way of verifying themselves? ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2008, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1170 "2008-09-30T13:46:56Z")
does it matter right this instant? Lets go after the original scum team, which will give more posts to analyse allowing the winkling out of the jestered scum in the traditional fashion. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2008, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1171 "2008-09-30T13:56:56Z")
You’re right. I shouldn’t post stuff like that; it may help us to think critically instead of sitting on our hands and not posting. Bad **Santo**! Please spank me! Kindly point out where I said we should go after those people first? :rolleyes: Also, please note that I specifically _said_ we should be going after the original scum team first: > [@Santo\_Rugger](#): > > Vanilla townie would be a good choice because once we find two scum in that pool, we would probably start looking at the Power Roles. WiFoM. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2008, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1172 "2008-09-30T15:13:17Z")
Sorry for my absense yesterday. The stock market plunged around 11am my time and things got hairy at work. > [@Oredigger77](#): > > As for NAF’s claim, the first thing I have to ask is, now that he is admitting who he ‘protected’ and should be following orders for the rest of the game his strategy shouldn’t matter, who to protect so who has he blocked so far? I’m betting that its an all vanilla list. The best solution to this problem is to have the vig kill one of us and the town lynch the other with the caveat that if scum is lynched then the vig doesn’t kill the townie that night. Yeah sure, what they heck. I protected story Night 1 because he always gets killed and I protected/blocked Diggit Night 2 in an attempt to stop a NK. It didn’t work. I was planning on blocking a vanilla player again last Night but when NBC turned up Jester I figured it was important that I actually get confirmed since there would be even more uncertanty about my role at that point. By then of course it was too late to tell you that without violating the Night talk restriction. I apologize for fucking up the plan, I thought that it was decided that I was the one who was supposed to block Boozy. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2008, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1173 "2008-09-30T15:15:55Z")
> [@Santo\_Rugger](#): > > You’re right. I shouldn’t post stuff like that; it may help us to think critically instead of sitting on our hands and not posting. Bad **Santo**! Please spank me! > > Kindly point out where I said we should go after those people first? :rolleyes: > > Also, please note that I specifically _said_ we should be going after the original scum team first: Thats twice this game i’ve been snarked at for no good reason. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2008, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1174 "2008-09-30T15:41:28Z")
> [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > Thats twice this game i’ve been snarked at for no good reason. You started it. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2008, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1175 "2008-09-30T16:07:44Z")
> [@dotchan](#): > > I don’t think this question has been asked before: > > **Would someone know that they have been driven insane by Sarah Conner?** Yes. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2008, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1176 "2008-09-30T16:10:32Z")
OK, I’m back. Sorry to be absent, but it doesn’t seem like much was going on anyway. It seems to me that we have two choices now that we know there has been a recruitment. \*\*Option 1: \*\*Continue what we have been doing and trying to find scum in the Vanilla pool. There should be at least a couple scum left hiding in there. **Option 2:** Lynch one of **Oredigger** and **NAF** , since it is safe to do so now that the Jester is dead. Just based on the numbers, it seems that Option 2 is the way to go, as there is a 50% chance of hitting scum. (Hell, maybe 100% if scum decided to recruit the real Doc). Of course, I’m one of those in the Vanilla pool, so maybe I’ve got a little bias 😃 I like those odds, so absent a compelling reason otherwise, I’m going to go with **Oredigger** or **NAF** for my vote. But which one? **Oredigger** has been pinging me big time the last couple Days, to the extent I was coming to believe he might be the Jester. Obviously, that’s wrong, so I need to reevaluate. Of course, just because he’s not the Jester doesn’t mean he’s not scum. **NAF’s** explanation for his action last night seems a little fishy, too, though. I think I need to look back at that sequence that \*\*Almost Human \*\*summarized to get a better handle on it. For now, though, just to put my thinking out in the public record: **1. Oredigger77** **2. NAF** I will likely only vote for one of them in the end, so as not to muddle the count, and when I make it official with a third vote I will put cited reasons. For now, though, this is just my instinct based on the game to date. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2008, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1177 "2008-09-30T16:12:07Z")
[QUOTE=OAOW] Thats twice this game i’ve been snarked at for no good reason. [/QUOTE] > [@Santo\_Rugger](#): > > You started it. Hey! Don’t make me stop this game and come back there! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2008, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1178 "2008-09-30T16:25:14Z")
> [@Santo\_Rugger](#): > > You started it. please point out the sanrk. I asked a perfectly civil qiestion from where i was sat. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2008, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1179 "2008-09-30T16:28:50Z")
as you’re in the vanilla pool **vote 1. Santo Rugger** ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2008, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1180 "2008-09-30T16:43:18Z")
This game is getting weird fast. Let me put up a vote. **1.Oredigger 2.OAOW 3.Rugger** OAOW for placing a snippy vote and Rugger for pushing him. Those last two will probably change, come on now, has the game really gotten that uninteresting? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699.md?page=58) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699.md?page=60)