# Mafia--T2: Behind the Scenes **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 2, 2008, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699 "2008-09-02T17:07:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 63
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2008, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1241 "2008-10-03T14:16:38Z")
> [@MHaye](#): > > I’m not going to tell or even suggest to **Total Lost** who she should protect Tonight, but she should certainly use her power on someone. I can do that 😉 I’m leaving for the weekend soon, but will be back sunday. I hope it’s in time. Will need to ask our MOD to be sure… ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2008, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1242 "2008-10-03T14:20:27Z")
> [@MHaye](#): > > **Oredigger** , please protect **Total Lost**. OK, but I think this will end up as another non-confirm for me since it seems people don’t know when their blocked. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2008, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1243 "2008-10-03T14:25:52Z")
**vote 2.Pollux vote 3. zeriel** ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2008, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1244 "2008-10-03T14:27:13Z")
Vote Count! Complete Votes: Zeriel: 1. NAF, 2. Santo Rugger, 3. Zeriel NAF1138: 1.Oredigger77, 2. OAOW, 3. S. Rugger AH: 1. dotchan, 2. Santo Rugger, 3. DiggitCamera Boozy Squid: 1. NAF1138, 2. Zeriel, 3. Shadow Facts Total Lost: 1. Diggit, 2. Zeriel, 3. Dotchan DiggitCamera: 1. Zeriel, 2.OaOW, 3. S. Rugger Santo Rugger: 1. Pollux Oil, 2. CatInASuit, 3. Shadow Facts Oredigger: 1. dotchan, 2. Santo Rugger, 3. DiggitCamera dotchan: 1. NAF, 2. dotchan, 3. mhaye Rysto: 1. dotchan, 2. Shadow Facts, 3. Santo Rugger Shadow Facts: 1. Oredigger77, 2. Pollux Oil, 3. Shadow Facts CatInASuit: 1. Santo Rugger, 2. Zeriel, 3. Oredigger Pollux Oil: 1. dotchan, 2. Zeriel, 3. Oredigger OAOW: 1. Santo Rugger, 2. Pollux Oil, 3. Zeriel Incomplete Votes: No incomplete votes Special Effects: There are no special effects. Santo Rugger: (15) (Catinasuit 1st, OAOW 1st, AH 2nd, Oredigger 2nd, Zeriel 2nd, NAF 3rd, DiggitCamera 3rd, Rysto 3rd) dotchan: (15) (Pollux Oil 1st, Rysto 1st, Oredigger 1st, AH 1st, dotchan 2nd, Total Lost 3rd) Zeriel: (13) (DiggitCamera 1st, CatInASuit 2nd, Pollux Oil 2nd, Boozy Squid 2nd, Total Lost 2nd, Zeriel 3rd, OaOW 3rd) NAF1138: (9) (dotchan 1st, Boozy Squid 1st, Zeriel 1st) Oredigger77: (8) (ShadowFacts 1st, NAF 1st, Pollux Oil 3rd, CatInASuit 3rd) Pollux Oil: (7) (Santo Rugger 1st, Shadow Facts 2nd, OaOW 2nd) Shadow Facts: (5) (Rysto 2nd, Boozy Squid 3rd, Santo Rugger 3rd, Shadow Facts 3rd) Diggit: (4) (Total Lost 1st, AH 3rd, Oredigger 3rd) OAOW: (4) (NAF 2nd, DiggitCamera 2nd) CatInASuit: (2) (Santo Rugger 2nd Also, dusk post will be late. Day will be extended until it ends. ---
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2008, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1245 "2008-10-03T14:37:10Z")
I think we are just waiting for \*\*MHaye \*\*to vote. ---
**Author:** ![Almost\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/919ad9/32.png) [@Almost\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Almost_Human)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2008, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1246 "2008-10-03T14:42:05Z")
> [@MHaye](#): > > The problem is that I can’t see a way in which everyone can be confirmed in one Night. _Some_one has to be the odd-person-out that does not get confirmed this Night. > > By asking either of the PDs to protect you, I’m almost certain that you will get another chance to get confirmed Tomorrow night. If we were to rearrange it so that **NAF** protects **BS PI** instead that’s fine; but it puts you in the pool of players that **Total Lost** is playing WIFOM with the T-1000s over. You might not wake up though. Fair enough. I’m more concerned about confirming the docs than me so that’s fine. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2008, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1247 "2008-10-03T14:50:30Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > OK, but I think this will end up as another non-confirm for me since it seems people don’t know when their blocked. We’ll have to see. It’s possible that you might be confirmed Tonight; if you block **Total Lost** and then she claims to have protected someone who died, that would be a big pointer in your favour. But mainly, I think we have to approach this in stages. It’s rather like the nine coin, three weighings problem; you can’t isolate the fake coin by the first weighing, but you can isolate a set that you _know_ are good. That’s what we’re doing Tonight; getting known good stuff to test the unknowns against. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2008, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1248 "2008-10-03T14:54:04Z")
Change of plans, dusk vote will be on time. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2008, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1249 "2008-10-03T14:58:42Z")
I haven’t voted, have I? Yesterday I voted for NBC, Santo Rugger and Zeriel. Looking at the way Santo has played Today, he’s reversed his general strategy Today. Specifically, instead of saying he can’t be bothered to explain why he’s thinking, he’s gone to the bother of writing some long-ish posts setting out his thoughts. Since his “I can’t be bothered” attitude of Yesterday was the main reason for my vote on him, he’s moved down my suspicion list. The person who has come up, big-time, is **dotchan**. It’s already been argued that **Storyteller** pursuit of **NBC** is something that **Storyteller** has form on – he spent days in M2 going after first one fellow scum then another. I wouldn’t be convinced by that, though; the fight was very much six of one and half-a-dozen of the other, and Story’s initial attack was (in my opinion) based on solid grounds. It also took place in Day 1, and thus before the New Scum Team had had a chance to talk privately. So maybe Storyteller started as a vanilla T-1000 and maybe he didn’t. **But**. Think back to Yesterday’s closing few hours. **Storyteller** had neither posted enough nor voted, and it seemed more and more likely that he’d be subbed out. If he was subbed, then there was going to be a change in both style and approach from the new person. Surely enough to conceal a shift of allegiance too. In short, **dotchan** is the player I have down as Most Likely To Be Recruited if **NBC** went for a vanilla Recruit, and puts her to the top of my suspect list, just on principle. Although my suspicion of Zeriel is residual at this stage, it is still present, so he’s going to be my second vote. The third is a protest vote at someone who’s been quieter than me all week, and has only really posted to vote. Vote **1. Dotchan 2. Zeriel 3. Pollux Oil** I feel really bad about that. Sorry Dot. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2008, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1250 "2008-10-03T16:02:18Z")
Final Vote Count! Votes: Zeriel: 1. NAF, 2. Santo Rugger, 3. Zeriel NAF1138: 1.Oredigger77, 2. OAOW, 3. S. Rugger AH: 1. dotchan, 2. Santo Rugger, 3. DiggitCamera Boozy Squid: 1. NAF1138, 2. Zeriel, 3. Shadow Facts Total Lost: 1. Diggit, 2. Zeriel, 3. Dotchan DiggitCamera: 1. Zeriel, 2.OaOW, 3. S. Rugger Santo Rugger: 1. Pollux Oil, 2. CatInASuit, 3. Shadow Facts Oredigger: 1. dotchan, 2. Santo Rugger, 3. DiggitCamera dotchan: 1. NAF, 2. dotchan, 3. mhaye Rysto: 1. dotchan, 2. Shadow Facts, 3. Santo Rugger Shadow Facts: 1. Oredigger77, 2. Pollux Oil, 3. Shadow Facts CatInASuit: 1. Santo Rugger, 2. Zeriel, 3. Oredigger Pollux Oil: 1. dotchan, 2. Zeriel, 3. Oredigger OAOW: 1. Santo Rugger, 2. Pollux Oil, 3. Zeriel Mhaye: 1. dotchan, 2. Zeriel, 3. Pollux Oil dotchan: (18) (Mhaye 1st, Pollux Oil 1st, Rysto 1st, Oredigger 1st, AH 1st, dotchan 2nd, Total Lost 3rd) Santo Rugger: (15) (Catinasuit 1st, OAOW 1st, AH 2nd, Oredigger 2nd, Zeriel 2nd, NAF 3rd, DiggitCamera 3rd, Rysto 3rd) Zeriel: (15) (DiggitCamera 1st, CatInASuit 2nd, Pollux Oil 2nd, Boozy Squid 2nd, Total Lost 2nd, Mhaye 2nd, Zeriel 3rd, OaOW 3rd) NAF1138: (9) (dotchan 1st, Boozy Squid 1st, Zeriel 1st) Oredigger77: (8) (ShadowFacts 1st, NAF 1st, Pollux Oil 3rd, CatInASuit 3rd) Pollux Oil: (8) (Santo Rugger 1st, Shadow Facts 2nd, OaOW 2nd, Mhaye 3rd) Shadow Facts: (5) (Rysto 2nd, Boozy Squid 3rd, Santo Rugger 3rd, Shadow Facts 3rd) Diggit: (4) (Total Lost 1st, AH 3rd, Oredigger 3rd) OAOW: (4) (NAF 2nd, DiggitCamera 2nd) CatInASuit: (2) (Santo Rugger 2nd ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2008, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1251 "2008-10-03T16:05:07Z")
The group was a teensy bit quiet today, with a few characters dominating the discussion. The group hemmed and hawed before deciding on dotchan. “She led us around! She’s been recruited!” cried various people as they grabbed her and threw her in. “It’s destiny!” Santo Rugger was the first to see her burning in the lava. She was town. Smacks upside the head went around the room, and everyone retreated to the bar, subdued. Night. No strategy. Due to a request by Total Lost, the night will go until Monday at Noon. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2008, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1252 "2008-10-03T16:25:45Z")
You wouldn’t expect any less from us, would you, **dotchan**? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2008, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1253 "2008-10-03T16:48:08Z")
Well, my posting problems have been resolved, and this seems like as good a time as any to offer sincere apologies for dropping out when and how I did. It sucked and was very frustrating. Oh, and to everyone who voted to lynch me/dot because surely I couldn’t have just been on to NBC because I was just _on to him_, y’all can bite me. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2008, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1254 "2008-10-03T17:14:17Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > Well, my posting problems have been resolved, and this seems like as good a time as any to offer sincere apologies for dropping out when and how I did. It sucked and was very frustrating. > > Oh, and to everyone who voted to lynch me/dot because surely I couldn’t have just been on to NBC because I was just _on to him_, y’all can bite me. 😃 Either that, or he suckered you into being onto him. Just sayin’. ---
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2008, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1255 "2008-10-03T18:25:03Z")
Oh no **dotchan** , not again. **Squid** , something to celebrate the lady, if you please. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2008, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1256 "2008-10-03T19:27:52Z")
> [@CatInASuit](#): > > Oh no **dotchan** , not again. > > **Squid** , something to celebrate the lady, if you please. I can’t believe you guys frickin’ killed dot. Unacceptable. If it wasn’t for the fact that storyteller left his credit card behind the bar, none of you guys’d be drinking tonight. I’m crackin’ out the champagne in memory of poor Dot: and it looks like we’ve got at least two cases of vintage Krug. Anyone who voted for her gets pink Freixenet, though. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2008, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1257 "2008-10-03T22:08:09Z")
That sucks. Time to drink to forget I believe I’ll order a round of three wise men please. ---
**Author:** ![dotchan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9d8465/32.png) [@dotchan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dotchan)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2008, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1258 "2008-10-04T00:41:15Z")
Most uncool, man! Most uncool! ☹ Told you guys I had internet problems. No fair lynching someone who couldn’t defend themselves! I think I’ve only survived to Endgame three times: replacing MadtheSwine in Firefly and Conspiracy, and as the Godfather in Blade Runner. I wasn’t even around to Endgame my own mafia game–I was offline for whatever reason and co-mod sachertorte stepped in for me. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2008, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1259 "2008-10-04T06:47:14Z")
> [@dotchan](#): > > I think I’ve only survived to Endgame three times: replacing MadtheSwine in Firefly and Conspiracy, and as the Godfather in Blade Runner. > > I wasn’t even around to Endgame my own mafia game–I was offline for whatever reason and co-mod sachertorte stepped in for me. If it makes you feel any better, I’ve _never_ made it to the end of a game. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2008, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1260 "2008-10-05T00:04:04Z")
> [@dotchan](#): > > Most uncool, man! Most uncool! ☹ > > Told you guys I had internet problems. No fair lynching someone who couldn’t defend themselves! > > I think I’ve only survived to Endgame three times: replacing MadtheSwine in Firefly and Conspiracy, and as the Godfather in Blade Runner. > > I wasn’t even around to Endgame my own mafia game–I was offline for whatever reason and co-mod sachertorte stepped in for me. Not only that, but it was STOOOOOOOpid. I mean, c’mon, people! You’re lynching the sub of the man whose plan you’re following… to win the game! COME ON! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699.md?page=62) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699.md?page=64)