# Mafia--T2: Behind the Scenes **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 2, 2008, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699 "2008-09-02T17:07:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 65
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2008, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1281 "2008-10-06T18:20:57Z")
Diggit Cookies / Z-man Shadow Facts CatinaSuit Half of the people on the above list are scum. We have two mislynches left, assuming no protects. **1. Vote CatInASuit 2. Vote Shadow Facts 3. Vote Diggit** I feel comfortable placing my vote early because at least one of them must be scum. I forget what MHaye assigned, but at least we know **Boozaholic** used his power last night. I’ll go look now to quote it. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2008, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1282 "2008-10-06T18:26:22Z")
OaOW : Yes, **Squiddio**. Who got killed anyway. Further analysis will have to wait until the end of Dawn at 7:07pm BST tomorrow (unless **pedescribe** wants to shorten the Dawn a little). Part of the test was to see if **Almost Human** could use her ability even after being targeted by a claimant for Paranoid Doc. With two dead last Night, either the T-1000s have an unrevealed bonus kill, or the Armed Scientist used his gun; if the latter is the case he will suicide Tonight. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2008, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1283 "2008-10-06T18:29:35Z")
Dawn ends at 12:00 MST tuesday, which is at 2:00 EST. Also, Day ends Saturday night. Not sure when, exactly, though. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2008, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1284 "2008-10-06T18:31:41Z")
> [@Santo\_Rugger](#): > > Diggit > Cookies / Z-man > Shadow Facts > CatinaSuit > > Half of the people on the above list are scum. We have two mislynches left, assuming no protects. > > **1. Vote CatInASuit > 2. Vote Shadow Facts > 3. Vote Diggit** > > I feel comfortable placing my vote early because at least one of them must be scum. I forget what MHaye assigned, but at least we know **Boozaholic** used his power last night. I’ll go look now to quote it. _(bleached)_ Cute. I like the way you assume you are Town and expect the rest of us too, as well. :dubious: Also, I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: votes without reasons are less useful and potentially scummy. You argued with me about not providing reasons before, and again you refuse to provide reasons here. Not cool, IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2008, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1285 "2008-10-06T18:53:23Z")
I hope the vig didn’t get that extra kill but if they did you might as well come forward now so that you can be protected. Almost Human who did you bribe last night? Total any chance you noticed you were blocked last night? Before they answer NAF who did you end up ‘blocking’ last night? Did you follow orders or did you go back to the vanilla pool? On the off chance the vig did kill town and NAF and my situation hasn’t been resolved yet any one want to go back over having the vig target one of us and be blocked by us plus have the doc protect him just incase? ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2008, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1286 "2008-10-06T18:58:19Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > I hope the vig didn’t get that extra kill but if they did you might as well come forward now so that you can be protected. > > Almost Human who did you bribe last night? > > Total any chance you noticed you were blocked last night? > > Before they answer NAF who did you end up ‘blocking’ last night? Did you follow orders or did you go back to the vanilla pool? I followed orders like a good little soldier. I said I would and I did. ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2008, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1287 "2008-10-06T19:11:51Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > Total any chance you noticed you were blocked last night? I can’t say for sure - but the person I protected in the Night is still alive… Might just be that this person wasn’t being targeted ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2008, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1288 "2008-10-06T19:22:45Z")
I’ve had a thought. **Can we get a vote count, please?** ---
**Author:** ![Almost\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/919ad9/32.png) [@Almost\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Almost_Human)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2008, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1289 "2008-10-06T19:52:38Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > I hope the vig didn’t get that extra kill but if they did you might as well come forward now so that you can be protected. > > **Almost Human who did you bribe last night?** > > Total any chance you noticed you were blocked last night? > > Before they answer NAF who did you end up ‘blocking’ last night? Did you follow orders or did you go back to the vanilla pool? > > On the off chance the vig did kill town and NAF and my situation hasn’t been resolved yet any one want to go back over having the vig target one of us and be blocked by us plus have the doc protect him just incase? (bolding mine) I bribed NAF as agreed. Haven’t had a pm from pedescribe yet so don’t know whether I was successful, blocked or Connored. I’ve pmed him and will let you know as soon as I get a reply. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2008, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1290 "2008-10-06T20:40:08Z")
> [@ShadowFacts](#): > > _(bleached)_ > > Cute. I like the way you assume you are Town and expect the rest of us too, as well. :dubious: Kindly point to where I asked everybody to assume I was town. [/quote] Also, I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: votes without reasons are less useful and potentially scummy. You argued with me about not providing reasons before, and again you refuse to provide reasons here. Not cool, IMHO. [/QUOTE] I did give reasons. I explained my reasoning for CatInA Yesterday. Assuming he’s scum, that means of my other 2 votes, there’s a 2/3 chance that one of them is scum. That’s my reasoning; I said as much in my post. Being Vanilla at this stage gives me a bit of an advantage, is that I know without a doubt the alignment of one person in the Vanilla pool. How can you reasonably expect me not to use that knowledge to benefit my team? ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2008, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1291 "2008-10-06T20:43:28Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > On the off chance the vig did kill town and NAF and my situation hasn’t been resolved yet any one want to go back over having the vig target one of us and be blocked by us plus have the doc protect him just incase? Seriously, **Oredigger**? Having the doc protect him “just incase” wouldn’t verify you, because they would be using the Doc’s protect. Plus, it wold mean the scum would know who the Doc was protecting, allowing them to go elsewhere. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2008, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1292 "2008-10-06T20:50:28Z")
> [@Santo\_Rugger](#): > > Seriously, **Oredigger**? Having the doc protect him “just incase” wouldn’t verify you, because they would be using the Doc’s protect. Plus, it wold mean the scum would know who the Doc was protecting, allowing them to go elsewhere. :mad: Never mind. I see what you mean, now. Regardless, what if the Vig picks wrong? Or are you volunteering for this? ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2008, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1293 "2008-10-06T20:58:37Z")
I’ve got no problem with being the one picked. What I meant was that if the wrong one, between NAF and I, is picked the vig will suicide, to prevent this posibility we have the regular doc also protect the vig. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2008, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1294 "2008-10-07T01:44:58Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > Wait, **Pollux** and **Squid** both died? How did that happen? Surely our Vig didn’t target somebody last Night. I did, actually. I targetted **Pollux Oil** (sorry about that, dude). We had, as of yesterDay, the following “vanilla” townspeople: storyteller0910 Santo Rugger Diggit Cookies Shadow Facts CatinaSuit Pollux Oil If we substract those who are now confirmed and/or dead, we have: Santo Rugger Cookies Shadow Facts CatinaSuit Two of these four are scum. The problem with holding my fire was that the longer I waited, the less targets (among the vanilla group) would be left. I thought **Pollux Oil** ’s lurking yesterDay (which almost led to his substitution) made him a liability for further discussion toDay. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2008, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1295 "2008-10-07T02:16:48Z")
Cookies has been subbed out for a while, guys, I ain’t chopped liver here (until the T-1000s get ahold of me.) ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2008, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1296 "2008-10-07T02:54:57Z")
> [@Santo\_Rugger](#): > > **1. Vote CatInASuit > 2. Vote Shadow Facts > 3. Vote Zerial** That makes it easy. Two of those three are guaranteed scum. I’m fairly confident about my top two. I’ll try to put together a comprehensive post tomorrow, just for [del]scum[/del] **Shadow Facts**. ---
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2008, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1297 "2008-10-07T02:57:25Z")
So having had the hamsters eat my posts earlier Uncontested Roles Almost Human - Politican DiggitCamera - Vigilante Mhaye - Sarah Connor OAOW - Commuter Rysto - Bus Driver Total Lost - Doctor Contested Paranoid Doc OreDigger77 NAF1138 Claimed vanilla CatInASuit Cookies/Zeriel Santo Rugger Shadowfacts With at least 2 of the vanilla being scum. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2008, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1298 "2008-10-07T02:58:51Z")
Oh, and Diggit, I think you made the right move. I haven’t done the math, but I’m sure you thought about it; we really need to get the original scum pretty quickly. Also, I actually think we should consider **Oredigger** ’s plan. It’s funny, because this is the second one he’s had this game that seemed ridiculous at first glance, but then started to make sense as game dynamics changed. Perhaps he’s just thinking two moves ahead of me, but I think you two should target each other Tonight. If he doensn’t protect you, you die (but you were going to die anyway). If he does, then I think Tomorrow you may be able to go after another one of us from the Vanilla pool, depending on what our lynch shows up today. If we catch scum, perhaps hold off. But if we lynch Town, totally go gunning. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2008, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1299 "2008-10-07T06:19:11Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > I’ve had a thought. **Can we get a vote count, please?** :shrugs: Sure, no problem. Complete Votes: Santo Rugger: 1. CatInASuit, 2. Shadow Facts, 3. Diggit Camera Incomplete Votes: N/A Special Effects: N/A Totals: CatInASuit: (3) (S. Rugger 1st) Shadow Facts: (2) (S. Rugger 2nd) DiggitCamera: (1) (S. Rugger 3rd) Did that answer your question (whatever it is)? ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2008, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1300 "2008-10-07T06:25:51Z")
I hope it goes without saying that if diggit has false claimed the real guy needs to stand up right now. until then, will the paranoid doc targeting diggit prevent them from suiciding? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699.md?page=64) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699.md?page=66)