# Mafia--T2: Behind the Scenes **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 2, 2008, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699 "2008-09-02T17:07:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 67
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2008, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1321 "2008-10-07T18:27:54Z")
Is anyone going to believe me if I say that AH is lying and was recruited? I was planing on pulling a bluff but it has already been noticed that my vote wasn’t in the count, so really, what’s that point. Vote **1. Top Dog (how did she know?) 2. Pedescribe 3. Almost Human** Kinda a bizzare vote that she gave me, but she is my master. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2008, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1322 "2008-10-07T18:29:25Z")
Ha! Good to see our new players have an appreciation for history. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2008, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1323 "2008-10-07T18:31:46Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Is anyone going to believe me if I say that AH is lying and was recruited? > > I was planing on pulling a bluff but it has already been noticed that my vote wasn’t in the count, so really, what’s that point. > > Vote > > **1. Top Dog (how did she know?) > 2. Pedescribe > 3. Almost Human** > Kinda a bizzare vote that she gave me, but she is my master. Okay, now that’s some funny shit, right there; I don’t care who you are! ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2008, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1324 "2008-10-07T18:43:50Z")
> [@MHaye](#): > > I don’t think we should be telling the Doc what to do now. She’s playing a game of bluff with the T-1000s, and I really don’t want to tie her down to protecting a known target, even for one Night. That will be the night she dies. > > The other point is that if you and you alone protect Diggit Tonight, should he be alive in the Morning it means that the only way for you to be a T-1000 is if Diggit is also one of the regular T-1000s. If TotalLost also protects him, we learn nothing about you. > > So let’s leave the claimed Doc alone and let her decide who to protect (if she’s not the recruit, that is). Like I said I’m all for it but that seams a strange way for the town to go after the way I’ve been getting shouted down for risking out vig in the past. I mean if I was scum the best the town could hope for is the vig to commit suicide and then to lynch me tomorrow. But hey if you guys trust me I’ll be happy to verify that trust. By the way we would still get information if Total protects him, remember I’ve got a blocking power as well so by being alive after the vig targets me would be proof. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2008, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1325 "2008-10-07T18:50:27Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > Like I said I’m all for it but that seams a strange way for the town to go after the way I’ve been getting shouted down for risking out vig in the past. I mean if I was scum the best the town could hope for is the vig to commit suicide and then to lynch me tomorrow. But hey if you guys trust me I’ll be happy to verify that trust. By the way we would still get information if Total protects him, remember I’ve got a blocking power as well so by being alive after the vig targets me would be proof. That was before we knew who our Vig was (and that they had killed scum), and before NAF was outed as the liar. You still need to verify yourself (because of recruitment), and having you protect our Vig will be a bonus, since he’s going to die anyway if you don’t. There’s no reason not to trust you right now, and in putting in a little faith it will only cost us one town life (the Vig) for yours if you’re recruited scum, which is HUGE right now. However, if we tell the Doc to target the Vig, then the scum will kill the Doc, and we’ll be left with no more Doc. ---
**Author:** ![Almost\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/919ad9/32.png) [@Almost\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Almost_Human)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2008, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1326 "2008-10-07T19:51:45Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Is anyone going to believe me if I say that AH is lying and was recruited? > > I was planing on pulling a bluff but it has already been noticed that my vote wasn’t in the count, so really, what’s that point. > > Vote > > **1. Top Dog (how did she know?) > 2. Pedescribe > 3. Almost Human** > Kinda a bizzare vote that she gave me, but she is my master. Man, part of me really wants to take credit for making **NAF** post that vote because it’s funny as hell but in reality I just asked him to vote himself lol Anyway - remaining votes from me: **Vote 2 Santo Vote 3 Shadow Facts** Because I figure one out of those two is lying but it’s mostly to make my vote for **NAF** count toDay. ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2008, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1327 "2008-10-07T21:04:54Z")
> [@MHaye](#): > > So let’s leave the claimed Doc alone and let her decide who to protect (if she’s not the recruit, that is). I don’t mind if anyone has suggestions - but I can’t commit myself to follow them (at least not at this point) ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2008, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1328 "2008-10-07T23:10:57Z")
It’s nice to see this game is clipping along. Good work town. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2008, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1329 "2008-10-07T23:23:45Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > **MHaye** , would you care to explain why exactly you haven’t intimidated _anybody_ since the Jester was lynched? **MHaye** , I’d really like to hear the answer to this. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2008, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1330 "2008-10-08T00:06:46Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > **MHaye** , I’d really like to hear the answer to this. To what? > [@Rysto](#): > > No, but it does bring up a new one: > > **MHaye** , would you care to explain why exactly you haven’t intimidated _anybody_ since the Jester was lynched? I’m sorry; I must have missed this first time through. There’s no point in hiding it any longer; I can’t. Sometime around the end of Dawn on Day Three I drove myself insane. Stark staring mad. Completely doolally. Utterly bonkers. With that, of course, I lost my power of intimidation. Since I’d already advised **pedescribe** of my subject for Day 3, it happened. But I didn’t use the power Yesterday or Today, because it’s gone. The good news is that, since I slipped my mental moorings, I can’t drive anyone _else_ insane. But neither can I suicide. That’s why. I played it this way to give the recruit a chance to slip up, but it didn’t happen. Either the Jester recruited a vanilla Scientist, or a power role who’s effects cannot be publically tested and thus didn’t need to admit to having lost their powers. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2008, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1331 "2008-10-08T00:23:20Z")
> [@MHaye](#): > > To what? > > I’m sorry; I must have missed this first time through. > > There’s no point in hiding it any longer; I can’t. > > Sometime around the end of Dawn on Day Three I drove myself insane. Stark staring mad. Completely doolally. Utterly bonkers. > > With that, of course, I lost my power of intimidation. Since I’d already advised **pedescribe** of my subject for Day 3, it happened. But I didn’t use the power Yesterday or Today, because it’s gone. Well that’s awfully … convenient. Day 3 you go insane and lose your powers, and don’t say anything at all. That Day we lynch the Jester, and somebody gets recruited and loses any powers they had, and from that point on, you no longer have your powers. You don’t actually expect us to _believe_ that, do you? I guess you have to try, but jeez that’s transparent. **2. Vote MHaye** ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2008, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1332 "2008-10-08T00:45:03Z")
Unvote 2. CatinASuit Unvote 3. Santo Rugger Vote 2. MHaye Vote 3. CatInASuit ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2008, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1333 "2008-10-08T03:35:38Z")
Geez, **MHaye,** if you keep saying things that are so utterly flabbergasting, dificult to digest, and make me say, “Huh?”, I’m going to start calling you **Oredigger.** **MOredigger.** Kind of has a ring to it, don’t ya think? ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2008, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1334 "2008-10-08T04:47:45Z")
Vote Count! Complete Votes: Santo Rugger: 1.NAF, 2.CatInASuit, 3.Shadow Facts Zeriel: 1.NAF, 2.Mhaye, 3.CatInASuit ShadowFacts: 1.NAF, 2.Santo Rugger, 3.Shadow Facts Almost Human: 1. NAF 2. Santo Rugger, 3. Shadow Facts Incomplete Votes: OaOW: 1. NAF Rysto: 1. NAF, 2. Mhaye Special Effects: N/A Totals: NAF: (18) (S. Rugger 1st, Rysto 1st, Zeriel 1st, OaOW 1st, AH 1st, Shadow Facts 1st) Santo Rugger: (4) (AH 2nd, Shadow Facts 2nd) Mhaye: (4) (Rysto 2nd, Zeriel 2nd) CatInASuit: (3) (S. Rugger 2nd, Zeriel 3rd) Shadow Facts: (3) (S. Rugger 3rd, Shadow Facts 3rd, AH 3rd) ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2008, 10:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1335 "2008-10-08T10:04:56Z")
Don’t know what to make of the MHaye situation. It’s a big ball of WIFOM On the one hand, he could have been recruited by the jester and thats why his powers are gone On the other hand he could have targeted himself with insanity and thats why his powers are gone, which would be a reasonable thing for a protown SC to do. Yes the timing is convenient, but thems the breaks, we killed the jester at the exact time where insanity etc was going to become active I’m not touching that one today… Will complete my vote now with a couple of vanillas. Not gonna stress about who too much as NAF is going down. Do we need another plan for who targets who tongiht to attempt some more confirmations? Who supplies the plan now that MHaye’s position has been undermined? **vote 2 Santo Rugger 3 Zeriel** ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2008, 11:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1336 "2008-10-08T11:19:45Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > You don’t actually expect us to _believe_ that, do you? I guess you have to try, but jeez that’s transparent. Yes of course I expect you to believe it, or I wouldn’t have _bothered_ to type it out. You’re not even considering the possibility that it might be true. Assume that it is for a moment, and ask yourself whether what I say makes sense if that is true. > [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > Don’t know what to make of the MHaye situation. It’s a big ball of WIFOM > > On the one hand, he could have been recruited by the jester and thats why his powers are gone > > On the other hand he could have targeted himself with insanity and thats why his powers are gone, which would be a reasonable thing for a protown SC to do. Just to be clear : I _chose_ no-one. The spreading of insanity was 100% random, and the determination was made by **pedescribe** , not me. If I had been free to choose, I might well have driven NBC mad, since I’d already speculated he might be the Jester in Day 2. Ain’t Multiquote wonderful? ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2008, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1337 "2008-10-08T13:17:00Z")
> [@MHaye](#): > > Yes of course I expect you to believe it, or I wouldn’t have _bothered_ to type it out. > > You’re not even considering the possibility that it might be true. Assume that it is for a moment, and ask yourself whether what I say makes sense if that is true. Of course we’re taking into consideration it’s true. Of course it makes sense, if it’s true. The problem is, it makes just as much sense, if not more, that you’re lying. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2008, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1338 "2008-10-08T15:59:24Z")
> [@ShadowFacts](#): > > I look forward to you providing evidence for these baseless accusations\*. Given your track record to date, I won’t be holding my breath. I’m calling you out: put up or shut up. 😛 > > \*\* I’m speaking only for myself here - **Cat** could have been doing what you claim, I can’t say. Although it’s still on you to prove it.\* If you’re going to throw around insults about my game play to insinuate I’m scum, it’d be wise to take into account my previous games, in which I’ve never really done a comprehensive analysis. That’s just not the kind of player I am. I’m a lazy fuck, I’ll be the first to admit that. Fortunately, it’s quite obvious we’ll both be around Tomorrow, so it gives me an extra week to procrastinate (and for you to say scummy things) before I have to get my ass in gear. So shut up yourself. :mad: 😉 ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2008, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1339 "2008-10-08T16:10:29Z")
> [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > Will complete my vote now with a couple of vanillas. Not gonna stress about who too much as NAF is going down. More people should be saying this. Why worry about things, I will get lynched toDay. Don’t talk too much and just take it easy. Pay no attention to the robots behind the curtain. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2008, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1340 "2008-10-08T16:12:22Z")
> [@MHaye](#): > > Ain’t Multiquote wonderful? Dude, multi quote is the best. It’s a shame I got outted before I could really start building cases against people, but multiquote rocks! I really miss that function on the offboard site. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699.md?page=66) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699.md?page=68)