# Mafia--T2: Behind the Scenes **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 2, 2008, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699 "2008-09-02T17:07:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 69
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2008, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1361 "2008-10-09T03:35:54Z")
BTW, for now, I vote: **1. NAF 2. Cookies/Zeriel 3. CatinaSuit** I don’t really know whether **Santo** ’s innocent or not but he seems kinda townish to me, for now. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2008, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1362 "2008-10-09T04:15:19Z")
> [@DiggitCamara](#): > > Well, that makes four relevant questions (which may have been answered before, but still): > \*\* > > 1. Can Sarah (aka MHaye) target herself for madness? In which case > 2. Does she lose her powers permanently? > 3. Does protection by a doc (any doc) prevent the Vig’s (aka myself) suicide at all? Or > 4. Does said protection only delay the Vig’s suicide?\*\* 1. It can happen, yes. 2. She loses all powers–self-modkill, vote influencing, and further insanity–permenantly. 3. Yes. However, it will cause the vig to become a vanilla townie as well. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2008, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1363 "2008-10-09T05:51:28Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > 1. Yes. However, it will cause the vig to become a vanilla townie as well. Brains. Bullshit rules change mid-game /Brains. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2008, 7:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1364 "2008-10-09T07:10:58Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > 1. Yes. However, it will cause the vig to become a vanilla townie as well. How? ---
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2008, 8:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1365 "2008-10-09T08:58:48Z")
Ok, currently lacking time but I am reading to keep up. first off voting **1. NAF1138 2. Santo Rugger 3. Cookies/Zeriel** As for the Vig, IIRC from \*\*Pleonast’s \*\*original conspiracy game: If they hit town, they would try to commit suicide each Night. Not sure about them becoming vanilla, but \*\*Diggit \*\*should be able to clarify from the PM. I may be getting this slightly confused with the Crusader role from the Sekham game as well though. Yet again, \*\*Diggit \*\*should be able to clarify that one as well 😉 ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2008, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1366 "2008-10-09T13:32:30Z")
> [@CatInASuit](#): > > Ok, currently lacking time but I am reading to keep up. > > first off voting > > **1. NAF1138 > 2. Santo Rugger > 3. Cookies/Zeriel** > > As for the Vig, IIRC from \*\*Pleonast’s \*\*original conspiracy game: If they hit town, they would try to commit suicide each Night. > > Not sure about them becoming vanilla, but \*\*Diggit \*\*should be able to clarify from the PM. > > I may be getting this slightly confused with the Crusader role from the Sekham game as well though. Yet again, \*\*Diggit \*\*should be able to clarify that one as well 😉 Well… we still aren’t allowed to quote from our PM’s, are we? However, there’s one sentence in it that agrees with **pedescribe** ’s interpretation of the third point. I took it as a throwaway remark, but it fits. As to the Crusader? > [@Crusader PM](#): > > Crusader - At night, you will take your sword to his home to dispatch him. Sometimes (50%) you will lose your nerve and fail to kill. You need not kill every night, but you may not go two consecutive nights without attempting. If you have not attempted a kill on the previous night, because you spent the previous night dwelling on it, you will not lose your nerve. When all cultists have been uncovered, you will not be satisfied (i.e., unable to win) if you have not killed at least one non-believer (including pro-town) AND there are no non-believers remaining alive (including pro-town). If you are forcibly converted, because your mind has been twisted, you will lose your zeal and, thus, not be willing to continue in your night crusades. A different story, because I was forced to kill at least one scum or would lose the game. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2008, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1367 "2008-10-09T14:56:35Z")
So, the long and the short of it is: we’ve lost our vig either way. Either he suicides tonight or he gets protected to prevent the suicide, with the result that he loses his killing power. Fargin’ icehole, that sucks. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2008, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1368 "2008-10-09T15:02:03Z")
we already knew we had lost him as soon as he hit a townie. The only diff is know we only have to protect him once it seems, rather than having to protect him every night. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2008, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1369 "2008-10-09T15:05:49Z")
On the plus side we’ll pick up two confirmed townies from Diggit living through the night, but we won’t be able to confirm anyone else. Which will give us three confirmed town and three scum we should still be ok in the long run. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2008, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1370 "2008-10-09T15:12:28Z")
> [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > we already knew we had lost him as soon as he hit a townie. The only diff is know we only have to protect him once it seems, rather than having to protect him every night. Not to belabor the point, but I had been under the impression that if he was prevented from killing himself, he could then go ahead and kill someone again the next night. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2008, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1371 "2008-10-09T16:33:14Z")
> [@Santo\_Rugger](#): > > How? Here’s the official version: > [@Vig PM](#): > > Every night, you may choose to kill someone. If they’re a T-1000, all well and good. If not…well, you’re going to point that gun at yourself next night. Even if it fails, you will never shoot again. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2008, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1372 "2008-10-09T16:41:48Z")
Ahh. Killer’s remourse. Got it. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2008, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1373 "2008-10-10T16:39:42Z")
So, is everyone just bored or what? Wanna end the Day early? I know I do. Let’s start a petition, maybe if enough people sign up we can get Pede to stop this Day! I, the people of this game, do say that this Day has gone on long enough and that we should just end it now. We don’t really need a lynch or to see the outcome, so let’s head into the Night so the robots can make their kill and get on with the game. Resolved, The Town. Signed by 1. NAF1138 Who’s with me? ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2008, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1374 "2008-10-10T16:59:22Z")
NAF, man, you’re a freak. I mean, you’re not at Idle levels, but you’re gettin’ there. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2008, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1375 "2008-10-10T17:02:24Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > NAF, man, you’re a freak. I mean, you’re not at Idle levels, but you’re gettin’ there. I am just bored and don’t have anything to do but drink coffee. My office has been half shut down this week between illness and the holidays, so there isn’t a lot to do. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2008, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1376 "2008-10-10T17:02:32Z")
How are you signing anything under a town signature? Shouldn’t that be Resolved, The Scum? But I’m confused, I thought the Day was ending today at noon.\*\* What happenend there is it because of starting the Day a day late?\*\* ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2008, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1377 "2008-10-10T17:07:58Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > How are you signing anything under a town signature? Shouldn’t that be Resolved, The Scum? You are going to ruin my crafty plan…shhhh. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2008, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1378 "2008-10-10T18:28:39Z")
Vote Count! Complete Votes: Santo Rugger: 1.NAF, 2.CatInASuit, 3.Shadow Facts Zeriel: 1.NAF, 2.Mhaye, 3.CatInASuit ShadowFacts: 1.NAF, 2.Santo Rugger, 3.Shadow Facts Almost Human: 1. NAF 2. Santo Rugger, 3. Shadow Facts OaOW: 1. NAF, 2. Santo Rugger, 3. Zeriel Oredigger77: 1. NAF, 2. Santo Rugger, 3. Shadow Facts TotalLost: 1. NAF, 2. Zeriel, 3. CatinaSuit NAF: 1.NAF, 2. Santo, 3. ShadowFacts DiggitCamera: 1. NAF, 2. Zeriel, 3. CatInASuit CatInASuit: 1.NAF1138, 2. Santo Rugger, 3. Zeriel Incomplete Votes: Rysto: 1. NAF, 2. Mhaye Special Effects: N/A Totals: NAF: (33) (DiggitCamera 1st, NAF 1st, Total Lost 1st, Oredigger 1st, S. Rugger 1st, Rysto 1st, Zeriel 1st, OaOW 1st, AH 1st, Shadow Facts 1st) Santo Rugger: (12) (CatInASuit 2nd, NAF 2nd, Oredigger 2nd, AH 2nd, Shadow Facts 2nd, OaOW 2nd) Zeriel: (6) (DiggitCamera 2nd, TotalLost 2nd, OaOW 3rd, CatInASuit 3rd) Shadow Facts: (5) (S. Rugger 3rd, Shadow Facts 3rd, AH 3rd, Oredigger 3rd, NAF 3rd) CatInASuit: (5) (S. Rugger 2nd, Zeriel 3rd, Total Lost 3rd, Diggit Camera 3rd) Mhaye: (4) (Rysto 2nd, Zeriel 2nd) ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2008, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1379 "2008-10-10T18:29:41Z")
I’m willing to end the day early…I had said this: Dawn ends at 12:00 MST tuesday, which is at 2:00 EST. Also, Day ends Saturday night. Not sure when, exactly, though. But it’s so quiet, I figure it’s okay. Also, since practically everyone is here…anyway: ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2008, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1380 "2008-10-10T18:29:41Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > Incomplete Votes: > Rysto: 1. NAF, 2. Mhaye D’oh! **Vote 3. ShadowFacts** Just so he doesn’t think I’ve forgotten about him. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699.md?page=68) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699.md?page=70)