# Mafia--T2: Behind the Scenes **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 2, 2008, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699 "2008-09-02T17:07:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 79
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2008, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1561 "2008-10-24T00:48:12Z")
Thanks, Oredigger. I hope to prove you wrong, being as I’m town. I’m thinking that Santo’s reaction to the Rysto thing rubs me the wrong way–I mean, it sounds like it could be a forehead slap phrased in a townie way. Doesn’t negate my suspicion of silent CiAS tho. Speaking of silence, Rysto’s is speaking volumes. unvote all **Vote 1. Rysto Vote 2. CIAS Vote 3. Santo Rugger** ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2008, 8:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1562 "2008-10-24T08:32:52Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > I’m thinking that Santo’s reaction to the Rysto thing rubs me the wrong way–I mean, it sounds like it could be a forehead slap phrased in a townie way… Umm, no. Now that I think about it, it wouldn’t matter if AH was alive or not Today, because Rysto’s vote would still have been bought. Oredigger, I think I’ve got a plan for you!!! Check this out. There’s three Vanilla left, three confirmed Townies, and Rysto. Tonight, there will be Three Vanilla with one scum, plus the three confirmed. IMPORTANT: ToNight, if Oredigger chooses whom to BLOCK, instead of whom to PROTECT, he’d be choosing from the three Vanilla. **So, if there’s no kill Tonight, Tomorrow we lynch whomever he blocks**. If the remaining scum chooses a no-kill to try to frame whomever is chosen, PERFECT!!! We then have three confirmed and two unknowns, one of whom is scum. Rinse, lather, repeat. _takes a bow as he came up with the winning endgame strategy for Town_ ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2008, 8:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1563 "2008-10-24T08:35:34Z")
Whoops, I forgot to mention the MOST IMPORTANT PART!!! OreDigger, you MUST announce whom you plan on blocking BEFORE the end of the Day!!! If, for some reason you don’t post to acknowledge this plan before the end of the Day, I STRONGLY propose you block\*\* Zeriel \*\*Tonight, chosen because he’s the first (Vanilla) on your list. Sorry for the odd formatting, I’m a bit buzzed, and the Metallica concert still has my ears ringing like a mo-fo. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2008, 8:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1564 "2008-10-24T08:41:02Z")
Oh, and to complete the plan, if there IS a kill Tonight, we lynch one of the other two players. We have one mislynch to burn, and if you guys lynch me, that would be it. The next Day you’d lynch the other one. Brilliant! [/Guinness] ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2008, 9:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1565 "2008-10-24T09:27:39Z")
I thought it would be only fair to give Rysto a chance to come up with some kind of defence, but as Zeriel says, silence speaks volumes. **Unvote All** Vote\*\* 1. Rysto 2. Santo Rugger 3. Zeriel\*\* At this point Santo’s plan looks pretty good to me. If the last T-1000 doesn’t kill, we gain another mislynch; at 6 Town to one T-1000 on Day 8, the lone android suddenly has to force two mislynches, so we’ll have two remaining suspects and one mislynch. If we lynch the person Oredigger blocks and they’re not the android, we’ll have two remaining suspects with one mislynch remaining. If the last T-1000 does kill Tonight, we wind up in the same position as above. _Applauds Santo for his plan._ ---
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2008, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1566 "2008-10-24T12:04:13Z")
It’s amazing what you miss after a couple of days out. Having read through it again, it certainly looks like \*\*Rysto \*\*needs to do some explaining and if he is the Jester then I can’t see any flaws in \*\*Santo Rugger’s \*\*plan which should win the game for the town. **unvote all.** **1. Rysto 2. Zeriel 3. Santo Rugger** Ok, **Santo Rugger** , how come now you start acting townie 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2008, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1567 "2008-10-24T14:28:35Z")
Cuz I’m a happy drunk? ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2008, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1568 "2008-10-24T14:45:46Z")
> [@Santo\_Rugger](#): > > IMPORTANT: > ToNight, if Oredigger chooses whom to BLOCK, instead of whom to PROTECT, he’d be choosing from the three Vanilla. **So, if there’s no kill Tonight, Tomorrow we lynch whomever he blocks**. If the remaining scum chooses a no-kill to try to frame whomever is chosen, PERFECT!!! We then have three confirmed and two unknowns, one of whom is scum. Rinse, lather, repeat. > > _takes a bow as he came up with the winning endgame strategy for Town_ Well, this is kinda of the strategy I’ve been using but with two scum there was no guarantee that I didn’t block scum just the wrong one. I we do narrow it down to one scum then this will work almost perfectly. The almost being that if I pick wrong they will kill me tonight so we only get one shot at this. Since it is almost the end of the Day I’ll make my decision right now and I’m blocking CIAS tonight. The reason I’m not blocking Z is that I blocked him last night to no effect and I don’t think picking the same person over again will accomplish anything. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2008, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1569 "2008-10-24T15:38:44Z")
Vote Count! Votes: OaOW: 1. Rysto, 2. Mhaye, 3. CiaS Oredigger: 1. Rysto, 2. Zeriel, 3. CiaS CatInASuit: 1. Rysto, 2. Zeriel, 3. Santo DiggitCamera: 1. CatInASuit, 2. Mhaye, 3. Santo Rugger Santo: 1.Rysto, 2. CiaS, 3. Zeriel Mhaye: 1.Rysto, 2. Santo Rugger 3. Zeriel Zeriel: 1. Rysto, 2. CatInASuit, 3. Santo Totals: CatInASuit: (9) (Santo 2nd, DiggitCamera 1st, Zeriel 2nd, Oredigger 3rd, OaOW 3rd) Zeriel: (6) (Oredigger 2nd, Santo 3rd, CatInASuit 2nd, Mhaye 3rd) Santo Rugger: (5) (Mhaye 2nd, CatInASuit 3rd, Zeriel 3rd, DiggitCamera 3rd) Mhaye: (7) (DiggitCamera 2nd, CatInASuit 2nd, OaOW 2nd, Santo 3rd) OaOW: (1) (Oredigger 3rd) Rysto: (18) (Zeriel 1st, Mhaye 1st, Oredigger 1st, Santo 1st, OaOW 1st, CatInASuit 1st) ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2008, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1570 "2008-10-24T15:40:27Z")
Because I highly doubt anything will change, and because I’ve been called down, I’m going to wrap up early (but feel free to talk until noon). The group, weary from the repeated deaths and confident that they could survive, just pushed Rysto in with no fanfare. He melted. He was a terminator. Everyone went to bed, because it was a soul-crushingly boring week of a day. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2008, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1571 "2008-10-24T15:48:54Z")
I’m doing the math on Oredigger’s proposed plan. FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS PLAN I WILL ASSUME WE’RE RIGHT AND RYSTO IS THE CONVERT. If he is not this analysis is worthless. Currently alive we have:\*\* CatInASuit - Claimed Vanilla Zeriel - Claimed Vanilla Santo Rugger - Claimed Vanilla Oredigger77 - Paranoid Doc DiggitCamera - Former Vig Mhaye - Sarah Connor OneandOnlyWanderers - Commuter Rysto - Scum Convert\*\* Today we kill Rysto, leaving us with four confirmed townies, three unconfirmed with one scum among them. If CIAS is scum, the scum will lose tomorrow. There is no other way for the world to work, regardless of whether he no-kills on purpose or is blocked. Therefore, the scum are screwed if CIAS is scum. If CIAS is town, the scum will either kill tonight or decide not to kill tonight. – If they decide not to kill, we lynch CIAS because Oredigger is blocking him. That leaves two in the pool, four confirmed going into tomorrow Night. After that night kill, in which OreDigger has a 50% chance of blocking the kill, the worst position we can be in will be one scum in a pool of two, and three confirmed townies. Even if we mislynch again, the worst case following is one known scum and two confirmed townies. Therefore, if CIAS is town and the scum fails to kill one of us tonight, they are screwed. –If they decide to kill, we do not lynch CIAS. We have a 50% chance of catching scum, as it’s between myself and Rugger. If we fail, then the scum gets one more night kill and worst case we then have three confirmed townies (four confirmed today minus two night deaths plus CIAS), and we know who the scum is because there’s only one unconfirmed person in the vanilla pool. Therefore, if CIAS is town and the scum kills one of us tonight, they are screwed. In short, the only way I see for scum to even have a chance at winning is for Rysto to still be town. So if you are, buddy, speak the heck up and prove it with a vote or at least a reasonable claim as to how you forgot to submit your bus action last Night. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2008, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1572 "2008-10-24T15:49:54Z")
My huge apologies, I didn’t preview and I saw I was before the day-end deadline. _cowers away from accidentally strategizing at night_ ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2008, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1573 "2008-10-24T15:52:09Z")
_pours himself a tall glass of Jack Daniels, and halfheartedly splashes a generous tablespoon of Coke on top_ Anyone else want something? ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2008, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1574 "2008-10-24T15:57:58Z")
Yes please. I’ll have a glass of Taylor’s 1997 vintage port. Thanks. I thiink the game’s basically over whichever of you three is the remaining T-1000. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2008, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1575 "2008-10-24T17:08:58Z")
Woohoo! We might just pull this off without talking. Who would have thought. ---
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2008, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1576 "2008-10-24T17:20:49Z")
Anyone want anything a little more exotic, \*\*Squid \*\*has this whole set of fruit bowls and umbrellas. This one looks wrapped up for the Town, and the drinks got bussed in by **Rysto** , so plenty for all. Unfortunately, we appear to have a lack of cage dancers and I really don’t want the sight of \*\*Santo Rugger \*\*in a leopard skin thong to sully one of the last Nights. 😛 Anyone got any better ideas?? ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2008, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1577 "2008-10-24T17:54:59Z")
I used up all my good ideas during the Day. Sorry, buddy, leopard skin it is! Or, I can not wear it, if you’d prefer? ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2008, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1578 "2008-10-24T18:44:59Z")
> [@Santo\_Rugger](#): > > I used up all my good ideas during the Day. Sorry, buddy, leopard skin it is! Or, I can not wear it, if you’d prefer? I take not for a 1000 Alex. I’ll leave it to your imagination whether I’m talking about the dance or the thong ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2008, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1579 "2008-10-24T19:28:56Z")
Settled! Naked beer slide, here I come!!! ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2008, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1580 "2008-10-25T04:21:41Z")
In honor of the weird day I’m having i’ll change up my drink order to Saki bombs. When I say Saki you say bomb. Saki. . . Hmmm it seemes that I’m drinking by myself. Another round my friends. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699.md?page=78) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699.md?page=80)